As we have seen throughout all ten years of SG-1 and I think SGA, no two military personnel can be or have any kind of relationship like the ones TJ & Young, Scott & James have. What are your thoughts about this.
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Actually, I think the rules would definitely forbid TJ and Young (he is her commanding officer), but I'm not sure about Scott and James (they are both the same rank, and I'm not sure he was in her direct command back on Icarus, where they had their "relationship").
Someone with more knowledge should chime in.sigpic
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Originally posted by carmencatalina View PostActually, I think the rules would definitely forbid TJ and Young (he is her commanding officer), but I'm not sure about Scott and James (they are both the same rank, and I'm not sure he was in her direct command back on Icarus, where they had their "relationship").
Someone with more knowledge should chime in.
In TJ and Young's case. I think both of them knew immediately afterwards. And thus why TJ was probably transferring out. She was probably transferring out as a way to avoid further temptation. And also to "sweep it under the rug" so to speak. If it was only something that happened once, and she went across country to some other base where she wouldn't see him ever again, who would even know? Especially if nothing had resulted in their little fling. Unfortunately TJ did wind up pregnant. And we really don't even know the circumstances around that either, weather they were using protection and it failed. Weren't and just took their chances, or were possibly intoxicated and didn't realize till next morning what had happened. So far the writers have left the details surrounding their "relationship/affair" pretty vague.My Life Motto: There are no wrong roads in life just paths that lead to unexpected Adventures.
"Ago simplex sic alius may simplex ago" - Live simply, so other's may simply live - Ghandi
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Originally posted by General Jumper One View PostAs we have seen throughout all ten years of SG-1 and I think SGA, no two military personnel can be or have any kind of relationship like the ones TJ & Young, Scott & James have. What are your thoughts about this.
i just wish they'd done some of this meaty stuff for sam and jack in sg1...sally
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Originally posted by majorsal View Posti just wish they'd done some of this meaty stuff for sam and jack in sg1...
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Originally posted by Cory Holmes View PostSee, I'm convinced that TJ and Young are a direct subversion and deconstruction of Jack'n'Sam from SG-1. Think about it for a second: older colonel, younger and blond junior officer under his command, affair, sparks, etc. And now they're showing all the ways that such a relationship would never work out.My Life Motto: There are no wrong roads in life just paths that lead to unexpected Adventures.
"Ago simplex sic alius may simplex ago" - Live simply, so other's may simply live - Ghandi
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Originally posted by Cory Holmes View PostSee, I'm convinced that TJ and Young are a direct subversion and deconstruction of Jack'n'Sam from SG-1. Think about it for a second: older colonel, younger and blond junior officer under his command, affair, sparks, etc. And now they're showing all the ways that such a relationship would never work out.
Against the rules? Definitely. But it does happen and I think that the show has started off from that point, where it's already happened, kind of puts it behind them. We're not left wondering but we can go on from there and try to be friends again/still. At this point, bringing Young up on charges for any of these things is useless as far as being able to inflict punishment and further, removing him from command puts the rest of the people stranded at risk without his leadership. People need to have faith in Young.
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Originally posted by SG7 View PostI think because the PTB knew that it was a show where they were going to have people stranded on a ship in the middle of nowhere in some far off galaxy, they decided to "go there" and have a situation where TJ and Young had a "thing"(however brief or long it may have been). And AFAIK, the writers and PTB had not planned on having TJ pregnant, but when AH informed them of her RL pregnancy, then they did incorporate it into the storyline, knowing that it wouldn't seem too out of place given the history that they had developed behind TJ and Young. The only diffrence being is that Alaina had indicated that she was farther along in her RL pregnancy than it was written that TJ was.
Perhaps because I'm an anti-Jack'n'Sam guy, but I like how the PTBs are dealing with this relationship. Very awkward, to say the least
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Originally posted by Cory HolmesSee, I'm convinced that TJ and Young are a direct subversion and deconstruction of Jack'n'Sam from SG-1. Think about it for a second: older colonel, younger and blond junior officer under his command, affair, sparks, etc. And now they're showing all the ways that such a relationship would never work out.
What’s similar in TJ/Everett and Sam/Jack relationships? Let’s see, shall we? Sam met Jack when she was around 30 years old and he was in his 40ies. At this age you’ve got quite a lot of life experience already. They never had an affair during the time they were in direct chain of command. When they finally got together, it was after they’d both been transferred to different posts. They did it as mature, very experienced people after having known each other for 8 years. She was after 2 broken off engagements, he was divorced for 7 years. They’ve seen the best and the worst of each other. I guess at the respective ages of 37/8 and 47/8 they knew what the heck they were doing.
We don’t know a whole lot about TJ and Young, unfortunately. Tamara is what, in her mid-twenties? Young is in his late-thirties? I’m guessing here. We don’t know anything about TJ’s previous romantic relationships. We do know that Young is married and appears to be very much in love with his wife. We don’t know how or why they started an affair, who ended it and why. Yeah, I can see how similar it is to S/J. Not.
Sam and TJ have totally different personalities. They have totally different baggage of experiences. Sam as a military brat must have had a different perspective on the military life than coming from a civilian family TJ. She’d fought in one war already before she met Jack, was older than TJ and more experienced. They met their colonels at different stages of their life. Yeah, I can see how similar they are. Not. Oh, wait! They are both blondes! Well, that explains everything.
Jack and Everett have different personalities. They have totally different baggage of experiences. O’Neill and Young are both colonels around 40 years old when we meet them, estranged from their wives. Jack’s just getting a divorce because he and Sara couldn’t make their marriage work after their son’s death. Jack will be thinking of her for the next year (whole season 1) but after that he’ll move on. Young’s marriage has problems because of his infidelity, but he loves his wife and tries his best to get her back. Yeah, I can see how similar they are. Not. Oh wait! They are both older than their subordinates! Well, that explains it.
But who cares, right? Following your logic I should log out now, call my blond friend who for the past 3 years has been in a happy relationship with a guy who used to be her supervisor at work and tell her to break it off because their relationship won’t work out. Never mind that it’s been working out for years. What matters is that she’s blonde, he’s a good few years older and used to be her boss. Yep, I’m sure she’ll do it based on such irrefutable arguments.
Bottom line: you can’t predict the fate of relationship x based on the failure of relationship y when the two have nothing but a very passing resemblance in common. But then, you of course know that, what with not being serious and all.
As to the topic of this thread, I like that TPTB went down this path. Military personnel in SGU is shown to have flaws and it would be strange to leave the romantic/sexual aspects out. Of course I don’t condone TJ and Young’s affair, but these things happen in RL all the time. As for Scott and James, I don’t think it’s ever been stated that they were in direct chain of command. Yeah, he outranks her a little (she’s a 2nd Lt, he’s a 1st Lt) and he’s Young’s right hand man, but AFAIK there’s no proof he is or was at any point her CO. And they behave like equals anyway. I like that TPTB tackled the issue using 2 different examples.
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The reality is, people fall into affairs all the time. Starts off as innocent chats that can progress further. Here we had TJ and Young who were how many millions of ligh years from home. We don't have the details of their affair, but from what I can see, it appears to have been something along the lines of emotional cheating that turned into a physical one night stand that both of them regretted. Thus why she was choosing to transfer out. And also why it was so hard for her to tell Young that she was pregnant with his child.
The show has done good to show that even military personnel are human and aren't immune to making mistakes. And this just happened to be one of those mistakes that was made.My Life Motto: There are no wrong roads in life just paths that lead to unexpected Adventures.
"Ago simplex sic alius may simplex ago" - Live simply, so other's may simply live - Ghandi
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Originally posted by Petra View PostPlease tell me you are not serious. Please.
In response to your post, I don't mean that TJ/Young and Sam'n'Sir are direct carbon-copies of each other; instead I mean that in SGU, the producers are taking the chance to show the other side of the coin, to show an inter-team/inter-military affair that doesn't work out. And I fail to see why this is such a strech, considering how hard they've worked to make SGU subvert almost all the usual tropes that SG-1 so gleefully employed.
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Originally posted by Cory Holmes View PostI am not serious. My name is Cory. And if you roll your eyes any more, they might just run away from you
In response to your post, I don't mean that TJ/Young and Sam'n'Sir are direct carbon-copies of each other; instead I mean that in SGU, the producers are taking the chance to show the other side of the coin, to show an inter-team/inter-military affair that doesn't work out. And I fail to see why this is such a strech, considering how hard they've worked to make SGU subvert almost all the usual tropes that SG-1 so gleefully employed.
Originally posted by SG7The reality is, people fall into affairs all the time. Starts off as innocent chats that can progress further. Here we had TJ and Young who were how many millions of ligh years from home. We don't have the details of their affair, but from what I can see, it appears to have been something along the lines of emotional cheating that turned into a physical one night stand that both of them regretted. Thus why she was choosing to transfer out. And also why it was so hard for her to tell Young that she was pregnant with his child.Spoiler:Telford tells Young something like "You were sleeping with someone under your command". "Were sleeping" indicates that it lasted for some time, not that it happened just once.
I'm also very curious what will happen between Matt and Vanessa.
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Originally posted by General Jumper One View PostAs we have seen throughout all ten years of SG-1 and I think SGA, no two military personnel can be or have any kind of relationship like the ones TJ & Young, Scott & James have. What are your thoughts about this.
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I think it was a lot more than a one night stand. His wife found out about it for one thing. TJ probably decided to leave when it became clear he was not going to leave his wife.
PS. They just dismissed the Canadian commander in Afghanistan for this very thing. The military takes this stuff very seriously. Apparently, even if you are married, and your wife is deployed with you, conjugal relations are not allowed in a war zone while on deployment.
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