Hathor (113)

[Uncle Dick]

The difference is in the word *tried*. Was O'Neill ever in danger? Fending off unwanted advances from someone who is inferior to you in strength is hardly a big deal. Being forced to actually have sex despite your protestations is a very big deal indeed.

I think what I'm saying is that Hathor could rape me anytime she wanted to. In other words, I'm subscribing (in a purely tongue-in-cheek fashion) to the oft-repeated assertion that men cannot be raped by women because, being the libidinous types that we are, such an activity would be enjoyable and welcome regardless of the circumstances.

[Madeleine]

Sorry, but I know too many men who are either keen to remain faithful to their wives, who need to love a woman in order to make love to her, who like to be the one in control of their own actions or who would balk at the idea of shagging a probable killer to imagine that "such an activity would be enjoyable and welcome regardless of the circumstances." Toungue in cheek or otherwise.

I think what I'm saying is that Hathor could rape me anytime she wanted to.

So you're giving your permission? so it wouldn't be rape. Daniel not only didn't give his permission he actively attempted to rebuff her, and had to be drugged into submission. He didn't want to do it, he was forced, it was rape. There's nothing about rape.

[cobraR478]

I guess I just find it highly unlikely that Teal'c, his wife and the 133 year old Jaffa Master Bra'tac would be so ignorant about their own physiology.

Humans used to think it was a good idea to drill holes in their heads.

[Major Fischer]

Humans used to think it was a good idea to drill holes in their heads.

And as recently as fifty years ago the precursers of the FAA tried to forbid women from flying planes during their menstral cycles because they would lack the mental capacity to perform complex tasks.

[Uncle Dick]

Sorry, but I know too many men who are either keen to remain faithful to their wives, who need to love a woman in order to make love to her, who like to be the one in control of their own actions or who would balk at the idea of shagging a probable killer to imagine that "such an activity would be enjoyable and welcome regardless of the circumstances."

In the "battle of the anecdotes", there can be no winner, but I know a number of men who would feel differently or who would at least be willing to joke about feeling differently.

So you're giving your permission? so it wouldn't be rape.

Not necessarily. I could say "no" out of a sense of honor or out of respect for the law but enjoy the physical act. In the state of nature, I suppose it wouldn't be rape.

There's nothing about rape.

I suppose I'm just one of those people who can find humor in anything, including rape. I pity those who cannot. The whole situtation is treated rather flippantly in the episode so I'm comfortable doing the same here.

Humans used to think it was a good idea to drill holes in their heads.

I don't think this analogy is akin to an easily observable physiological change that either does or doesn't result in death. Don't tell me that Teal'c or Master Bra'tac have never been in or ever heard of a situation in which a young Jaffa was unable to receive a prim'tah at the appointed time and survive. There's simply no excuse for such egregious ignorance on their behalf except as it pertains to the lazy writing of TPTB.

[SeaBee]

I suppose I'm just one of those people who can find humor in anything, including rape. I pity those who cannot. The whole situtation is treated rather flippantly in the episode so I'm comfortable doing the same here.

I'm sorry, but I can't ignore this part of your post. Being somebody who has seen the psycological damage suffered by victims of rape or sexual assault I cannot laugh at it. Rape, in my opinion, is the worst crime anybody can inflict on any man or woman, and there is no humour in it.

[Crazedwraith]

Eh, I think the fact that the information DOES fit with each other and Teal'c was in the first season just figuring out exactly which things he knew were the truth and which were lies, that is far more likely than the easy out of blaming season 7.

Watch out for the plot holes, but don't create ones that aren't there just to find another reason not to like season 7.

*sigh* Thers no conflict Birthright/Bloodlines anyway. Ryac being sick in S1 was not due to him not having a Prim'ta and Major Carter stated that Moloc's Jaffa had been altered so they depended (even more) on symboites.

[Elite Anubis Guard]

another interesting episode which requeals alot a fair bit of info on the goa'ulds life cycle.


was nice to see the girls get an episode to themselves aswell!

[zats]

was nice to see the girls get an episode to themselves aswell!

Oh, yeah!!!!

[gatelover12]

First of all daniel was under the influence of a drug that made him want her NOT RAPE if a man got drunk and woke up with a woman he could not charge her with rape (I think)! Man can be raped by women in my opinion thru unwelcome sexual advances.

[Madeleine]

But if the woman got the man drunk without him knowing (spiking his drink or whatever) and shagged him even though he was asking her not to...? It's not like he chose to take the drug. Had he been in his right mind and stronger than her there would have been no sex. Everything that caused the sex to happen was initiated by her and was against his will.

If it isn't rape to make someone want you by drugging them before you do the deed, then how come it's illegal to put rophynol in drinks...?

[Major Fischer]

Certainly I have a friend who was raped when a man got her drunk and than wouldn't stop when she said no (though she was too drunk to stop him, like alcohol poisoning level drunk).

It does happen. I wouldn't dare say that it wasn't rape for Daniel.

[Ke'ra]

i loved this eposode, i love Hathor. shes so sexy, i was gonna buy her outfit from ebay, but it went a little over my budget lol. bring back hathor!

Yay, A like minded person.
All this talk of rape is making me feel dirty for liking Hathor. I have never been raped and I don't know anyone who has. So I can't comment on the topic, but to me Hathor is just like any other Gou'ald. They use and abuse, they are all unashamedly wicked.

Below I posted this on another forum, I am just after a second opinion.

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The round crystal device on her belly appears to have two functions.
When glowing will cut and cauterise a neat cross section into her new Jaffa's stomach and also appears to be a little door.

Hathor gives birth to a boiling tub of Goa'uld larva and I think these creatures were spawned from behind this device. When Hathor rises out of her boiling tub in one scene, the device on her belly looks like a ring with a gaping hole. When she fully stands up the stone returns to its original place, in effect like a door closing.

Is this a light trick on the camera or intentional?

[Madeleine]

Yay, A like minded person.
All this talk of rape is making me feel dirty for liking Hathor. I have never been raped and I don't know anyone who has. So I can't comment on the topic, but to me Hathor is just like any other Gou'ald. They use and abuse, they are all unashamedly wicked.

You're right about the goa'uld, and you don't need to feel guilty. I like Baal, Nirrti, Apophis... a torturer, a Mengler and a murderer. But they serve their purpose well as dramatic characters, they're interesting, so I say I like them, and if you like Hathor that's fine! I was sad when she died, I thought she was a good villain.

[Ke'ra]

You're right about the goa'uld, and you don't need to feel guilty. I like Baal, Nirrti, Apophis... a torturer, a Mengler and a murderer. But they serve their purpose well as dramatic characters, they're interesting, so I say I like them, and if you like Hathor that's fine! I was sad when she died, I thought she was a good villain.

I can now understand why the producers introduced Queen Goa'ulds in fish tanks.

It is just not sociably acceptable for a Queen Goa'uld to have a human host.

"Eew" and "beyond icky"

As a result I don't think we have seen subsequent female host Goa'uld Queens nor never will.