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    Carter points out that the original earth stargate is ~50 million years old.

    Dr Rush speculates that the Destiny is "hundreds of thousands of years old" and contains a stargate that predates the MW gates.

    Given the damage Destiny has sustained we know it is far from invincible, so it seems at least plausible that at some point Destiny became stranded without hyper-drives between galaxies and had to accelerate to near light speeds. As a result it actually could be possible for Destiny to have only experienced 100,000 years while back in the MW it has been 50 million years. Eventually the Destiny would make it to a star and as per Mallozzi's comment on his blog that the ship can repair itself at least somewhat it could have repaired it's hyper-drives and continued onwards.

    To be clear I seriously doubt that this was what the writers were thinking but it is at least a possible solution to this continuity error and one that does not requite a lot of stretching or twisting to accomplish.

    I'm open to any thoughts or criticism.
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    1 million years is 10x 100 000 years. several hundred thousands years.

    besides, rush didn't seem very confident when he said that. i think it's more of a guess.

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    Well you just know Carter is right... It's Cater

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    Quote Originally Posted by thekillman View Post
    1 million years is 10x 100 000 years. several hundred thousands years.

    besides, rush didn't seem very confident when he said that. i think it's more of a guess.
    I'm not sure what point you're making about a million years being 10 instances of 100,000 years. Time dilation can still explain it and there is existing canon where the ancients have been known to use this tactic to travel between galaxies when their hyper-drives were irreparable (see Atlantis S3 E10 - The Return Part 1) .

    In fact we can calculate exactly how fast the ship would need to go to account for only 100,000 years passing in the 50 million years.

    The formula is t = t0/(1-v^2/c^2)^1/2

    So they should need ~0.999998c.

    Considering that in the episode I mentioned McKay estimates that the ship is about a million years away from the MW and that it would only feel like maybe 12 years to them. Those two numbers tell us that the ship was flying at ~0.99999999993c which establishes the plausibility of the Destiny being able to reach "only" ~0.999998c.

    Also I want to state again, I think this is obviously a writer mistake, but one that can be explained away with very little fuss. My point isn't that they didn't mess up, but that there is a very plausible way that they could both have been correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whatsername View Post
    Well you just know Carter is right... It's Cater
    For the record, she never actually said that the 'Gate was 50 million years old; she said that it could be up to 50 million years old but she never gave a confident estimate of its age.


    Quote Originally Posted by Sqrl View Post
    I'm not sure what point you're making about a million years being 10 instances of 100,000 years.
    The point is that time dilation is not necessary to explain the "contradiction" because no contradiction actually exists: 50+ million years could still be described as "hundreds of thousands of years."
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    Default Re: Earth Gate and Destiny Gate: Could Carter and Dr Rush both be right?

    50+ million years could still be described as "hundreds of thousands of years."
    i tried to explain that, but thanks for saying it this way

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    Ah I see what you're getting at now. My fault, I thought you were saying the time dilation effects of near-c speeds couldn't explain it due to the vast difference in time.

    Still, I'd have to disagree that there is no contradiction. Hundreds of thousands of years quite literally means between 100 and 999 thousand years. It is hundreds (100-999) of instances of 1000 years. If he meant several million years or more he would have just said "tens of millions of years".

    The big reason I don't think he was mistaken is because aside from his comment in Air Part 1 of just having boarded the ship he also repeats later once he's had a chance to look at the ship's computers and get a better handle on it. What's more than that, and what should really settle any doubt that the writers are declaring the ship to be 100's of thousands of years old is that nearly every episode begins with the quote from rush about it being launched hundreds of thousands of years ago - and barring some sort of odd theory about trying to fake us out it seems extremely unlikely that the ship isn't hundreds of thousands of years old.

    Given the persistence of their stating the Destiny's age, I think if anything Carter got it wrong (a fairly rare occurrence). But I have a hard time believing her estimate is off by a factor of 500 or really even a factor of 10. Especially given that she was basing the estimate off the age of the ice around the gate which by that point would have been established (to within a reasonable MOE) by tests.

    Now obviously both interpretations are in the same boat as far as a lack of clear supporting evidence, but I personally like the idea of an explanation that does not require we discount existing canon.

    Ultimately they probably won't address the discrepancy though, and I think it may just be a case where everyone picks which explanation makes the most sense to them. So I'll leave it at that, I just wanted to make my case, and since there isn't a whole lot to go on people can go with whichever option they like best.

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    my two cents on this topic:

    IF destiny was due to its FTL affected by time dialation how come the communication stones work?
    if the destiny while in FTL were subject to time dialation no contact with earth would be possible.

    i still believe that "hundreds of thousands" IS and ALLWAYS will be an epic writer screw up a true inconsistency, and that itself shows to prove that TPTB have no idea or intrest in the show they are making.

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    @Alx,

    Because I'm not saying their FTL causes time dilation. Re-read it please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sqrl View Post
    @Alx,

    Because I'm not saying their FTL causes time dilation. Re-read it please.
    hundreds of thousands" IS and ALLWAYS will be an epic writer screw up a true inconsistency, and that itself shows to prove that TPTB have no idea or intrest in the show they are making.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alx View Post
    hundreds of thousands" IS and ALLWAYS will be an epic writer screw up a true inconsistency, and that itself shows to prove that TPTB have no idea or intrest in the show they are making.
    OK that is the exact same post as before minus the objection to my idea. I guess I'll take that to mean you don't have any? I guess....

    ...

    Anyways, as I said in the OP, I agree it is a continuity error on the part of the writers. As for it being an "epic writer screw up" and "prove that TPTB have no idea or intrest in the show", well I think you're being overly dramatic about it. But I suppose that is a whole other topic, so I'd rather not get into it here.

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    that itself shows to prove that TPTB have no idea or intrest in the show they are making.
    let us look at it from the writer's POV.

    "how old would the ship be? "
    *checks the history*
    "approximately.... 10 million years or so"
    "new audience is NEVER going to believe that."
    "you're right. how about something more...unspecified"
    "hundreds of thousands of years."
    "that sounds nice"
    "good, add it to the script then"



    seriously, with no knowledge of the ancients, would you EVER buy that something can be millions of years old? i mean, the ship degrades because of the solar wind and cosmic radiation. without thorough repair, the ship degrades quite fast. it's never gonna make it to the next millenia. granted, this is an advanced piece of tech. i find it hard to believe, however, that the ancients themselves are 50 million years old and over that. 1 million years would've explained EVERYTHING, and made it more realistic. our society is a few thousand years old. the stuff we have now, well, 1000 years ago they could've never comprehended the possibility. just as we can never comprehend the possible stuff of the future. add several extra millenia to our advancement, and we'd be goauld-like. add some more, some more, some more. surpassed the wraith, surpassed most of the PG. by the time we're at 100 000 years in the future, our technology surpasses Asgard and well, 1 million surpasses everything stargate. i'm not sure what the ancients did in all that time, but it was mostly picking their noses.


    to prove that TPTB have no idea or intrest in the show they are making.

    TBH i've never seen them so dedicated to this show. aside from some unexplained stuff, it hasn't even contradicted itself yet. no major retcons in the same episode. SG1 retoconned bulletproof armor in 1 episode. Atlantis made the wraith vulnerable in a season or 2. SG1 has MANY inconsistencies, retcons, and continuity errors, Atlantis adds a dozen more, and the wraith storyline makes no sense either. in comparison, SGU does a very nice job. if it takes just some minor changes, then i'm fine with it.


    we don't know what destiny has and hasn't done in it's past 10 million year travel. there are two things which bug me and i'll adress them here.


    Jackson makes a clear timeline: 5-10 million years ago, atlantis left. the ancient empire was already destroyed by the plague by then.

    if the Destiny is a billion lightyears from home, (10^9 LY's,) , then it travelled a meagre 1000 Ly per year. it would take 1000 years for Destiny to travel across the Milky Way. amp it up with a factor 10 and we got 10^4 LY per year. well, that's a decade for the MW. which is an incredibly long time. even the goauld didn't need that long, and they seem to use pretty old stuff. still, we're talking averages. we don't know how long it takes to refuel. so this is the average speed. still, it seems quite slow to me.

    but if it's just a few billion lightyears away, a million years of age fits closer than 10k years. so, was Jackson wrong then?


    however, we know of time dialation: it's possible some hostile race trapped it in a TDF, it ended up near a black hole, or whatever.

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    Why does Rush's statement have to be either written off completely or explained with a Time dilation effect.
    How about; he had just got there, Earth had never before encountered tech that pre-dated Milky way tech and how could Rush figure out the rough 'relative' age of the destiny after just a few minutes on board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben 'Teal'c would WIN!!' Noble View Post
    Why does Rush's statement have to be either written off completely or explained with a Time dilation effect.
    How about; he had just got there, Earth had never before encountered tech that pre-dated Milky way tech and how could Rush figure out the rough 'relative' age of the destiny after just a few minutes on board.
    Because he repeats it in another episode after having time to look at the computers and they replay the quote at the start of pretty much every episode to emphasize it - which as I said unless you think they're trying to fake us out is a pretty good indication.

    Really I see no way around the idea that the writers think the age of the ship is around 100,000 years. What that means is debatable, but they've hardly been ambiguous about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sqrl View Post
    Because he repeats it in another episode after having time to look at the computers and they replay the quote at the start of pretty much every episode to emphasize it - which as I said unless you think they're trying to fake us out is a pretty good indication.

    Really I see no way around the idea that the writers think the age of the ship is around 100,000 years. What that means is debatable, but they've hardly been ambiguous about it.
    I'm sure he only said it once the rest are just sound bites.

    I think we are readiing too much into it.

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    Also, in the episode in which they find the chair Rush tells them that the chair could be the key to turning the ship back to Earth and Young comments "And how long would that take? Another million years?". The fact that he said another million years suggests that it took at least that amount of time for the ship to reach it's current position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben 'Teal'c would WIN!!' Noble View Post
    I'm sure he only said it once the rest are just sound bites.

    I think we are readiing too much into it.
    You're right he didn't personally repeat it later, but he does confirm it later after he has had a chance to look at the logs of the ship's computer.

    SGU S1E04 Darkness:
    RUSH: (sighing) Right. I'm concerned that Destiny is on the verge of losing power. Look for yourself.
    [Volker draws closer to Rush's console. Rush does not look away from the controls but points Volker towards another console on the far side of the room. Silently, Volker obeys.]
    VOLKER: This ship's been flying around for the better part of a million years.
    RUSH: I know.

    The "This ship's been flying around for the better part of a million years." is in perfect agreement with Rush's statement of "Launched…hundreds of thousands of years ago.".

    I kind of agree that people are reading into this to much as well. I don't know why people need to discount what is explicitly said by one of the brightest people on the ship and then repeatedly quoted by the writers as part of the ships historical info at the start of each episode.

    They don't quote it at the start of each episode just to misinform people. If they meant for Rush to be incorrect it seems like an odd thing to do to go out of your way to highlight his wrong information at every opportunity.

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    Except that time dilation still wouldn't explain the quote: he says that it was launched hundreds of thousands of years ago. At the same time, he says that he "knows" that the Destiny predates the 5+ million year old ATA technology.



    Quote Originally Posted by Sqrl View Post
    They don't quote it at the start of each episode just to misinform people. If they meant for Rush to be incorrect it seems like an odd thing to do to go out of your way to highlight his wrong information at every opportunity.
    Actually, IIRC, Mollozzi already said that Rush mispoke.


    As for the quote at the beginning of the episode, that is just meant to drive home the point that the ship is really *&^$ old.
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    I'm going to reply post by post.
    Please note that this means a fresher reply may seem contradictory to an older one in the same post, but I leave it like that to give an idea of the evolution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sqrl View Post
    Carter points out that the original earth stargate is ~50 million years old.

    Dr Rush speculates that the Destiny is "hundreds of thousands of years old" and contains a stargate that predates the MW gates.

    Given the damage Destiny has sustained we know it is far from invincible, so it seems at least plausible that at some point Destiny became stranded without hyper-drives between galaxies and had to accelerate to near light speeds. As a result it actually could be possible for Destiny to have only experienced 100,000 years while back in the MW it has been 50 million years. Eventually the Destiny would make it to a star and as per Mallozzi's comment on his blog that the ship can repair itself at least somewhat it could have repaired it's hyper-drives and continued onwards.

    To be clear I seriously doubt that this was what the writers were thinking but it is at least a possible solution to this continuity error and one that does not requite a lot of stretching or twisting to accomplish.

    I'm open to any thoughts or criticism.
    Aside from arguing the Destiny moved at sublight speed, near c, are you also suggesting that the ship might have maintained her steampunky stargate, or something, so whatever method Rush would have used for datation would be trumped?
    Odd. Didn't he use the Destiny core computer?
    You'll excuse me my porous memories, I've only watched the episodes once thus far.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sqrl View Post
    I'm not sure what point you're making about a million years being 10 instances of 100,000 years. Time dilation can still explain it and there is existing canon where the ancients have been known to use this tactic to travel between galaxies when their hyper-drives were irreparable (see Atlantis S3 E10 - The Return Part 1) .

    In fact we can calculate exactly how fast the ship would need to go to account for only 100,000 years passing in the 50 million years.

    The formula is t = t0/(1-v^2/c^2)^1/2

    So they should need ~0.999998c.

    Considering that in the episode I mentioned McKay estimates that the ship is about a million years away from the MW and that it would only feel like maybe 12 years to them. Those two numbers tell us that the ship was flying at ~0.99999999993c which establishes the plausibility of the Destiny being able to reach "only" ~0.999998c.
    That would prove that when McKay "only" said 0.999c, he just didn't bother with the other decimals.
    It also means that the relative deceleration of 23 gees observed by McKay, from the Daedalus' point of view, points to very incredible amounts of power being used to slow down the Tria so fast. It's even higher than I thought (well above e19~20 W with sort of Newtonian thrusters).

    Also I want to state again, I think this is obviously a writer mistake, but one that can be explained away with very little fuss. My point isn't that they didn't mess up, but that there is a very plausible way that they could both have been correct.
    Well truth being said the writers of SGA once messed up on the Wraith war dates. I think the first contradiction against "Rising" or "Before I Sleep" appeared in "Echoes", but I'm not sure. I just know that they screwed up, and there just was no time dilation rationalization possible.

    But it's funny cause after reading your first post I was sure that time dilation would make a good explanation here.
    In another older thread, I remember talking about the dates of when Atlantis left, when the Alterans inhabited the Milky Way, and when the Destiny was supposedly launched, and it didn't make sense.
    I argued that the Destiny was actually finished building, or near so, before Atlantis departed, but the plague hit them hard and the project was put on standby. They left the place and no one bothered with Destiny anymore. Then eons later, still well before the Lanteans returned, some of the few who remained reactivated Destiny (or perhaps it wasn't the Alterans at all??), maybe as a legacy of some sort, or even trying to reboot once again their civilization, or perhaps misplaced curiosity from another race.
    Now I'll have to check the dates again because I've not seen the 1.5 season and I'm not sure about what either Rush or Carter said, both about the stargates and the Destiny departure date.

    Note that the standby could also be a time dilation field. They just put it there and the ship would barely age or something like that. It would also explain how the Destiny gate appeared fresher.

    Ah, now I remember. All that extrapolation was to explain what the writers said about how the Destiny's gate was a prototype, which didn't make sense. That's why I argued that Destiny was a rather very old project (the ship seems to be closer in style to the ship Alterans used to move from Altera than anything they used around Atlantis-era).

    Quote Originally Posted by Quadhelix View Post
    For the record, she never actually said that the 'Gate was 50 million years old; she said that it could be up to 50 million years old but she never gave a confident estimate of its age.
    What gate was she talking about?

    The point is that time dilation is not necessary to explain the "contradiction" because no contradiction actually exists: 50+ million years could still be described as "hundreds of thousands of years."
    That's a bit stretching it. In general, you try to use numbers which fit the appropriate range/order of magnitude, especially when you bother using several words.
    When she spoke of gigaton nukes for example, in early SG-1, she said thousands of megatons. Same for the overloading gate in "Redemption". But after that all the military staff was used to deal with gigaton stuff and then, for example, for the Mark IX, they used "multi-gigaton".

    Quote Originally Posted by Sqrl View Post
    Ah I see what you're getting at now. My fault, I thought you were saying the time dilation effects of near-c speeds couldn't explain it due to the vast difference in time.

    Still, I'd have to disagree that there is no contradiction. Hundreds of thousands of years quite literally means between 100 and 999 thousand years. It is hundreds (100-999) of instances of 1000 years. If he meant several million years or more he would have just said "tens of millions of years".
    Agreed. it even gets worse if you compare 50 e6 Y and 100,000 Y.

    The big reason I don't think he was mistaken is because aside from his comment in Air Part 1 of just having boarded the ship he also repeats later once he's had a chance to look at the ship's computers and get a better handle on it. What's more than that, and what should really settle any doubt that the writers are declaring the ship to be 100's of thousands of years old is that nearly every episode begins with the quote from rush about it being launched hundreds of thousands of years ago - and barring some sort of odd theory about trying to fake us out it seems extremely unlikely that the ship isn't hundreds of thousands of years old.

    Given the persistence of their stating the Destiny's age, I think if anything Carter got it wrong (a fairly rare occurrence). But I have a hard time believing her estimate is off by a factor of 500 or really even a factor of 10. Especially given that she was basing the estimate off the age of the ice around the gate which by that point would have been established (to within a reasonable MOE) by tests.
    The Alterans/Lanteans left several millions of years ago ("Rising"), and there's little reason to believe the stargate network wasn't already in place, so her statement seems to be corroborated to a significant degree.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alx View Post
    my two cents on this topic:

    IF destiny was due to its FTL affected by time dialation how come the communication stones work?
    if the destiny while in FTL were subject to time dialation no contact with earth would be possible.

    i still believe that "hundreds of thousands" IS and ALLWAYS will be an epic writer screw up a true inconsistency, and that itself shows to prove that TPTB have no idea or intrest in the show they are making.
    The stones never seem to give a crap about if Destiny is at FTL or not.

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    Continued.

    Quote Originally Posted by thekillman View Post
    let us look at it from the writer's POV.

    "how old would the ship be? "
    *checks the history*
    "approximately.... 10 million years or so"
    "new audience is NEVER going to believe that."
    "you're right. how about something more...unspecified"
    "hundreds of thousands of years."
    "that sounds nice"
    "good, add it to the script then"
    Oh no come one that sucks. I know, the writers proved to be EXTREMELY lazy at times, but I believe they're doing *a bit* of efforts here.
    They already have a race that's been around for many millions of years, they may have already had time dilation fields millions of years ago (although that's speculation because the only evidence of TD is from the presence of such a field in Pegasus.

    seriously, with no knowledge of the ancients, would you EVER buy that something can be millions of years old?
    It's Stargate. Silly (yet good for stories) Von Daniken stuff. TV SciFi. Dude, come on!

    i mean, the ship degrades because of the solar wind and cosmic radiation. without thorough repair, the ship degrades quite fast. it's never gonna make it to the next millenia. granted, this is an advanced piece of tech. i find it hard to believe, however, that the ancients themselves are 50 million years old and over that. 1 million years would've explained EVERYTHING, and made it more realistic. our society is a few thousand years old. the stuff we have now, well, 1000 years ago they could've never comprehended the possibility. just as we can never comprehend the possible stuff of the future. add several extra millenia to our advancement, and we'd be goauld-like. add some more, some more, some more. surpassed the wraith, surpassed most of the PG. by the time we're at 100 000 years in the future, our technology surpasses Asgard and well, 1 million surpasses everything stargate. i'm not sure what the ancients did in all that time, but it was mostly picking their noses.
    Seems the ship could repair itself to some degree at some point.
    Who knows, perhaps aside the kinos, there's a room full of droids as well, besides small scale integrated repair systems?

    Oh, sidenote. The idea that the Destiny would have integrated self repair systems is cool. The Goa'uld largely used Ancient tech (although they also invented stuff on their own).
    Remember "Exodus", and how Jacob and SG-1 repaired the entire Ha'tak's damaged systems (even the weapons located outside) just from a console and the pillars room?
    Doesn't it formidably mesh altogether?

    TBH i've never seen them so dedicated to this show. aside from some unexplained stuff, it hasn't even contradicted itself yet. no major retcons in the same episode. SG1 retoconned bulletproof armor in 1 episode.
    If you're talking about Jaffa armour, you may want to read this.

    Atlantis made the wraith vulnerable in a season or 2.
    Yeah, that they royally screwed up. Wraith all losing their powers. But SGA is not really a good example of storytelling either.

    SG1 has MANY inconsistencies, retcons, and continuity errors,...
    Not so much actually. They even had a character bible for several seasons.

    Atlantis adds a dozen more, and the wraith storyline makes no sense either. in comparison, SGU does a very nice job. if it takes just some minor changes, then i'm fine with it.
    Agreed, SGU seems tighter, thus far and because there's not much info on it yet.
    I'm worried that there's not much to tell about Destiny though, and that the most interesting revelations about Destiny would be about the project's infancy, why it was started, who worked on it, who finally launched the ship and under what conditions. There's a lot of mystery there and the writers could really come with something big, but they would have to work very hard to find something that's not lame and about just another evil force or some such.

    we don't know what destiny has and hasn't done in it's past 10 million year travel. there are two things which bug me and i'll adress them here.
    Destiny looks like an axe so there are couple things she could have done.

    Jackson makes a clear timeline: 5-10 million years ago, atlantis left. the ancient empire was already destroyed by the plague by then.

    if the Destiny is a billion lightyears from home, (10^9 LY's,) , then it travelled a meagre 1000 Ly per year. it would take 1000 years for Destiny to travel across the Milky Way. amp it up with a factor 10 and we got 10^4 LY per year. well, that's a decade for the MW. which is an incredibly long time. even the goauld didn't need that long, and they seem to use pretty old stuff. still, we're talking averages. we don't know how long it takes to refuel. so this is the average speed. still, it seems quite slow to me.

    but if it's just a few billion lightyears away, a million years of age fits closer than 10k years. so, was Jackson wrong then?
    But didn't the Destiny actually stop at each galaxy and do some stuff here? I mean, the Destiny is following the Seeder ship, which itself is a HUGE mystery on itself.I really cross my fingers that if we ever see how a stargate is built, some huge amounts of cash are put into that to make it look EPIC, and not some silly half assed plastic prop stuck in some dimly lit cardboard room with a few skeletons.
    The way one guy in his basement came with the idea was such a huge disappointment which put the final nail into a mediocre TV film -although I said to myself "that's OK, it's just one guy drawing about a stargate, we never saw the majectic labs and the first tests and the ships and all that used for that most important project."

    I mean, it's Stargate FFS, it's practically THE thing they have to do 1000000% correctly. Capice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andru10 View Post
    Also, in the episode in which they find the chair Rush tells them that the chair could be the key to turning the ship back to Earth and Young comments "And how long would that take? Another million years?". The fact that he said another million years suggests that it took at least that amount of time for the ship to reach it's current position.
    Ouch.
    Let's just say that Young just threw a figure here, one that was short enough to make his point clear.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sqrl View Post
    You're right he didn't personally repeat it later, but he does confirm it later after he has had a chance to look at the logs of the ship's computer.

    SGU S1E04 Darkness:
    RUSH: (sighing) Right. I'm concerned that Destiny is on the verge of losing power. Look for yourself.
    [Volker draws closer to Rush's console. Rush does not look away from the controls but points Volker towards another console on the far side of the room. Silently, Volker obeys.]
    VOLKER: This ship's been flying around for the better part of a million years.
    RUSH: I know.

    The "This ship's been flying around for the better part of a million years." is in perfect agreement with Rush's statement of "Launched…hundreds of thousands of years ago.".
    Better part clearly being between 500,000 and 1,000,000 years.
    I'd wish they exploit this fact, instead of trying to slowly "correct" what may not need to be corrected, assuming a bit of imagination and planning for future material.
    You know, like when one manages a franchise on the long term -which seems pretty much rare these days.


    Quote Originally Posted by Quadhelix View Post
    Except that time dilation still wouldn't explain the quote: he says that it was launched hundreds of thousands of years ago. At the same time, he says that he "knows" that the Destiny predates the 5+ million year old ATA technology.
    Yep, it wouldn't explain the launch date figure, but at least it could have explained the stargate dating assuming something tried to scan the Destiny's stargate with some advanced sensors and got a reply like *beep* *beep* approx. +500,000 years old *beep*.

    Actually, IIRC, Mollozzi already said that Rush mispoke.
    Oh sh**.
    Now that's bad.
    Still, it's Mallozi. I'm not surprised here. I just wish he could come to his senses and for once assume his job properly. Well of course it's just a detail and the rest he does it well thus far (SGU relative), but still.

    As for the quote at the beginning of the episode, that is just meant to drive home the point that the ship is really *&^$ old.
    No, it's really screwing up hard.

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