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Would a single ZPM be able to dial Destiny?
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Originally posted by Alterus View PostJust to point out a single ZPM at 50% has enough energy to take out an entire solar system, a ZPM is more than capable of dialingSpoiler:I don’t want to be human. I want to see gamma rays, I want to hear X-rays, and I want to smell dark matter. Do you see the absurdity of what I am? I can’t even express these things properly, because I have to—I have to conceptualize complex ideas in this stupid, limiting spoken language, but I know I want to reach out with something other than these prehensile paws, and feel the solar wind of a supernova flowing over me. I’m a machine, and I can know much more.
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Originally posted by Chaka-Z0 View PostHere we go again
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Originally posted by thekillman View PostIt's likely that a ZPM would be able to power the connection. I just don't see why the SGC would be willing to use up one of the most important strategic assets they have just for a science project with no obvious gains, or to rescue a few dozen people.
Likely to power the connection, yes I agree. But for how long?
Lots of Gateworlders argued that ZPM > Naquadriah. That much is true, a ZPM is more powerful imo, although I cannot believe that the total quantity of Naquadriah contained in a whole planet would produce less energy than a half-full ZPM.
Also I hardly doubt the writers would go with that ZPM dialing solution... let's see...
New script for SGU:
Season 1
Col. Young: SGC this is Young, we are stuck on a derelict ship in the middle of nowhere millions of light years away.
SGC: No worries, we got a ZPM we'll establish a connection and get you out of there.
Col. Young: Thanks bro
Walter: Chevron 9 locked.
*SGU ends*Spoiler:I don’t want to be human. I want to see gamma rays, I want to hear X-rays, and I want to smell dark matter. Do you see the absurdity of what I am? I can’t even express these things properly, because I have to—I have to conceptualize complex ideas in this stupid, limiting spoken language, but I know I want to reach out with something other than these prehensile paws, and feel the solar wind of a supernova flowing over me. I’m a machine, and I can know much more.
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Originally posted by Chaka-Z0 View PostThe whole premise of the show is that *we don't leave our people behind* so yes if they could I say they would.
Originally posted by Chaka-Z0 View PostAlso I hardly doubt the writers would go with that ZPM dialing solution... let's see...
Originally posted by Chaka-Z0 View PostLots of Gateworlders argued that ZPM > Naquadriah. That much is true, a ZPM is more powerful imo, although I cannot believe that the total quantity of Naquadriah contained in a whole planet would produce less energy than a half-full ZPM.
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Originally posted by thekillman View PostThat would be thoroughly retarded. Earth's main defense relies on ZPM's.
ZPM is a non-renewable (as far as we know) energy source. From a military and strategic point of view, relying on that would be, to use your own words, thoroughly retarded.
It would be incredibly incredibly stupid to expose 6+ billion humans to unimaginable threats just because they wanted to dial a spaceship far away.
How many times did SG-1 and the SGC put Earth's butt on the line in order to save lives? From Hammond breaking protocol leaving the gate open while SG1 is under heavy fire to refusing to help the pseudo-Nazis from The Other Side (402), the show has proven time and time again that we will not sacrifice our humanity for our fear of the enemy.
Also I would point out that bringing back the bright minds of SGU such as Eli and Rush and putting them to work in the SGC or Area 51 could possibly unlock new technology and advancements through research.
Sure, a ZPM holds more power than an equal mass or volume of Naquahdriah. But even small amounts of naquahdriah allow for gigaton-level explosions, scale that up to the core of a planet and we get ZPM-matching levels of energy. The fact that the planet got blown apart entirely, shows it's power matches lowball ZPM estimations.Spoiler:I don’t want to be human. I want to see gamma rays, I want to hear X-rays, and I want to smell dark matter. Do you see the absurdity of what I am? I can’t even express these things properly, because I have to—I have to conceptualize complex ideas in this stupid, limiting spoken language, but I know I want to reach out with something other than these prehensile paws, and feel the solar wind of a supernova flowing over me. I’m a machine, and I can know much more.
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Originally posted by Chaka-Z0 View PostThe whole premise of the show is that *we don't leave our people behind* so yes if they could I say they would.
Originally posted by Chaka-Z0I never understood the big deal with the Chair Weapon, sure enough it can shoot a bunch of drones but so can jumpers.
ZPM is a non-renewable (as far as we know) energy source. From a military and strategic point of view, relying on that would be, to use your own words, thoroughly retarded.
The Control Chair provides a central location for a single skilled individual to potentially wield thousands of drones and, when the chair was miles under the Antarctica, it was a difficult target to bomb.
It might be possible to set up a bunch of jumpers in a circle down in the outpost and then have them all fire their drones from that protective location while people are running around reloading. You still, however, have the issue of most of them being controlled by people who can't control drones as well as Shepard or O'neill can. Also, I'm not entirely sure that drones fired from a jumper have the same range as those fired from a control chair. Sure, the drones themselves are the same and sure, worst case scenario you could always set them on autopilot, but jumpers may have a watered down computing system that makes controlling them at the same range as a control chair impossible.
I would also add that firing up a control chair doesn't necessarily use that much energy in the grand scheme of things. Certainly not enough to weaken Earth's defense by any level, no matter how small. It uses about the same as dialing the Pegasus galaxy; Earth drained their already nearly depleted ZPM sending the expedition through and the alternate Earth from "The Road Not Taken" used up the same amount of energy by powering up the control chair one more time to fend off an Ori attack. Considering they regularly used ZPM power on Atlantis to dial Earth for progress reports and to send people back rather than having them wait on the Daedalus, I think they can spare the energy for the control chair
Don't get me wrong, dialing between galaxies isn't nothing. After all, they devoted a bunch of resources to create a gate bridge as an alternative (although, that was primarily about being able to dial from Earth), but realistically how often would they need to use ZPM power for the control chair? They mostly get by on the threat of the weapons platform, so it's not something they frequently use and by using it enough they'll for sure run out of drones long before they drain one of their ZPMs.Last edited by Xaeden; 26 May 2018, 07:42 PM.
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Originally posted by Chaka-Z0 View PostZPM is a non-renewable (as far as we know) energy source. From a military and strategic point of view, relying on that would be, to use your own words, thoroughly retarded.
Originally posted by Chaka-Z0 View PostSounds like rogue NID rhetoric. It's not about simply dialing a spaceship far way, it's about saving lives, lives of the Destiny crew.
Originally posted by Chaka-Z0 View PostPure speculation, which is why I previously commented *here we go again*. Nobody can tell what is and what's not until TPTB clearly mentions it.
Originally posted by Xaeden View PostThat's not so much the premise as the argument that a few main characters make to their higher ups. They usually either end up having to circumvent the chain of command to pursue that philosophy or they're given a certain degree of leeway while constantly being told that if they don't show results soon they'll have to shut down the search because it's using up too many resources. So unless someone cares about those guys enough to steal a ZPM, I don't see such a thing happening.
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Originally posted by thekillman View PostZPM's save more lives by defending earth, by about a factor of 10 million.
The planet was clearly shown blowing up. Given that ZPM's have the capacity to blow up a planet at least, that puts them in the same lowball power regime. Sure higher ZPM estimates exist, but then we didn't get to see the exact extent of the explosion either.
Originally posted by Xaeden View PostAnd each ship has to be controlled by a different individual, so if you send a bunch of them off to fight off an invasion most are going to be operated by people with a weak ATA gene.
Also we know that jumpers can be remotely controlled to some extent.
I would also add that firing up a control chair doesn't necessarily use that much energy in the grand scheme of things.
Here's another interesting question: What would be the point of dialing Destiny anyway? It would be a one way trip, how would you bring the ZPM back on the ship to dial back again to Earth?
To ''rescue'' Destiny's crew we would need to find another way to first dial, bring a ZPM over with a couple scientists, interface the ZPM with Destiny's system, dial Earth back again.
Also in the grand scheme of things, I believe as SGU went on that most of the crew eventually accepted their fate, and do not need rescuing anymore. Some I'm sure would choose to stay, such as Rush.Spoiler:I don’t want to be human. I want to see gamma rays, I want to hear X-rays, and I want to smell dark matter. Do you see the absurdity of what I am? I can’t even express these things properly, because I have to—I have to conceptualize complex ideas in this stupid, limiting spoken language, but I know I want to reach out with something other than these prehensile paws, and feel the solar wind of a supernova flowing over me. I’m a machine, and I can know much more.
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Originally posted by Chaka-Z0 View PostThe only reason the Icarus planet blew up is due to the instability of Naquadriah. They mentioned many times that this element is quite dangerous and prone to uncontrollable chain reactions. It tells us nothing in regards to power or energy potential.
Originally posted by Chaka-Z0 View PostWell that brings us to another question. Can we interface some Naq. Gens to be used with the Chair?
Originally posted by Chaka-Z0 View PostHere's another interesting question: What would be the point of dialing Destiny anyway? It would be a one way trip, how would you bring the ZPM back on the ship to dial back again to Earth?
Using ZPM's to dial destiny makes no tactical or strategic sense. SGA spent 5 years searching for the damn things, risking their lives for them, and using them to save lives and fight powerful enemies. Throwing them away like AA batteries to save 80 people is the epitome of stupidity.
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Well you know what? We might just get an official answer to this riddle in the next SG show!!
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in the parallel universe in the quantum mirror!Spoiler:I don’t want to be human. I want to see gamma rays, I want to hear X-rays, and I want to smell dark matter. Do you see the absurdity of what I am? I can’t even express these things properly, because I have to—I have to conceptualize complex ideas in this stupid, limiting spoken language, but I know I want to reach out with something other than these prehensile paws, and feel the solar wind of a supernova flowing over me. I’m a machine, and I can know much more.
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Originally posted by Chaka-Z0 View PostWell you know what? We might just get an official answer to this riddle in the next SG show!!
The fact that naquahdriah blew up a planet gives us a minimum energy content. The fact that it blew up in seconds gives us a minimum power level. The fact that the ZPM could do so too, suggests they're on a similar level. The fact that we didn't see the full explosion extent of the explosion, and never saw the full extent of a ZPM explosion, hints that we may never know the full truth. But that doesn't matter, since even after dialling destiny it's not like the planet experienced massive climate change or turned molten, indicating that it wasn't using the full power of blowing up a planet to power the gate.
So, with everything we know, we can conclusively state that a ZPM would power the gate. It would probably significantly deplete such a ZPM and there's no reason to waste such valuable resources on such a useless plan. But it would probably work.
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Originally posted by Chaka-Z0 View PostIt would be ludicrous that the SG:C training program doesn't include a complete Jumper piloting training module. Even in SG:A they eventually made it mandatory for every member. We have every tools at our disposal such as virtual realities for training.
Also we know that jumpers can be remotely controlled to some extent.
Well that brings us to another question. Can we interface some Naq. Gens to be used with the Chair? I do agree it doesn't seem power hungry so why would we need a ZPM for that? As far as we know Naquadah Generators have been interfaced with Atlantis systems and worked just fine.
As for using a naquadah generator, they tried that in "The Siege." That was when the Mark II was introduced, which had a power output increase of 600 over the Mark I. Also, according to Mckay...
"this generator can only power the chair because it operates in a state of barely-controlled overload—"
When it came time to use it again for their remote control jumper plan...
MCKAY
The generator's not powering up like it should be.
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We must have exhausted the Mark II's energy output. It's dead!
It worked for a few minutes to launch a few dozen drones at individual darts, so they're not yet at the point where a naquadah generator can power hundreds, possibly thousands of drones at once against a fleet. In the future, this will likely change considering a Mark XII was "theoretically" capable of powering Atlantis' shields "The Last Man" for a couple hundred years.
This could mean we wouldn't lose any defensive capabilities by ''wasting'' the ZPM to dial Destiny.
Here's another interesting question: What would be the point of dialing Destiny anyway? It would be a one way trip, how would you bring the ZPM back on the ship to dial back again to Earth?
If you're suggesting they bring a ZPM and leave it there then I concur with thekillman said about how that would be so much more of a waste that there's even less of a no way chance that Earth would green light doing that to bring a few dozen people home.
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