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    Default How do you interpret the religious overtones in Caprica?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Jordan Duram
    It doesn't concern you, Sister, that kind of absolutist view of the universe? Right and wrong determined solely by a single all-knowing, all-powerful being whose judgment cannot be questioned, and in whose name the most horrendous of acts can be sanctioned without appeal?
    What do you make of Caprica's social commentary?

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    Default Re: How do you interpret the religious overtones in Caprica?

    Quote Originally Posted by shipper hannah View Post
    What do you make of Caprica's social commentary?
    I actualy agree with that sentiment.


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    Default Re: How do you interpret the religious overtones in Caprica?

    who's Agent Jordan Duram ?

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    Default Re: How do you interpret the religious overtones in Caprica?

    The bald FBI-type who questioned Amanda in the pilot and returned in "Rebirth".
    "Not every movie is for you. Not every TV show is for you. Not every song is for you. Find the things you like, and like them. Go nuts liking them. A thing ISN’T for you? Cool. Go find something you like. That’s it. That’s as complicated as it should be." -- David Blue

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    Default Re: How do you interpret the religious overtones in Caprica?

    Quote Originally Posted by DigiFluid View Post
    The bald FBI-type who questioned Amanda in the pilot and returned in "Rebirth".
    oh my bad.

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    Default Re: How do you interpret the religious overtones in Caprica?

    You interpret it the same as you did when/if you watched BSG. You also have to put it into context.

    The comments are not really all that different from those made during the increase of monotheistic faiths (or similar to those posed by Atheists and Agnostics throughout time).

    Short answer? I don't "interpret" anything.

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    Default Re: How do you interpret the religious overtones in Caprica?

    Quote Originally Posted by aarlin81 View Post
    Short answer? I don't "interpret" anything.
    Exactly. It's been pretty straight-forward so far, so no "interpretation" needed - ore even possible.

    Unless the OP was alluding to a "bigger picture", and how Caprica ties in with real life issues...?
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    Default Re: How do you interpret the religious overtones in Caprica?

    i want religion to be in this show. it played such a big role in bsg

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    Default Re: How do you interpret the religious overtones in Caprica?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pharaoh Atem View Post
    i want religion to be in this show. it played such a big role in bsg
    Didn't watch BSG, but if it played a big part, then it has to be in Caprica in order to see how it developed.
    Can someone tell me
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    Is any of the religious things shown in Caprica significant , or did they ust throw some stuff together, I'm curious about the Bull icon on the dashboard of Sam's car.
    no means no, and so does pepper spray
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    Quote Originally Posted by Girlbot View Post
    Didn't watch BSG, but if it played a big part, then it has to be in Caprica in order to see how it developed.
    Can someone tell me
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    Is any of the religious things shown in Caprica significant , or did they ust throw some stuff together, I'm curious about the Bull icon on the dashboard of Sam's car.
    in the bsg universe there is 3 views on religion.

    belief in the 12 gods.

    belief in one god.

    and Atheism

    just for the record.

    as for the world of caprica and bsg in general. they are very similar to us.

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    Default Re: How do you interpret the religious overtones in Caprica?

    in the bsg universe there is 3 views on religion.

    • belief in the 12 gods.
    • belief in one god.
    • and Atheism


    as for the world of caprica and bsg in general. they are very similar to us.

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    Default Re: How do you interpret the religious overtones in Caprica?

    So the icon has no special meaning, just something they threw in to show the 12 thing
    no means no, and so does pepper spray
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    Default Re: How do you interpret the religious overtones in Caprica?

    Quote Originally Posted by Girlbot View Post
    So the icon has no special meaning, just something they threw in to show the 12 thing
    i would assume it's just his way of honoring his Tauron roots.

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    Default Re: How do you interpret the religious overtones in Caprica?

    Quote Originally Posted by Girlbot View Post
    Didn't watch BSG, but if it played a big part, then it has to be in Caprica in order to see how it developed.
    Can someone tell me
    Spoiler:
    Is any of the religious things shown in Caprica significant , or did they ust throw some stuff together, I'm curious about the Bull icon on the dashboard of Sam's car.
    Think of the astrological sign, Taurus, symbol is the bull. Bit like having the Virgin Mary on one's dashboard.

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    Default Re: How do you interpret the religious overtones in Caprica?

    If you are really looky for something to wrap your head around here it is.

    Polytheism - This is a given. There is not only a lot of Greek mythology (with interchangeable Roman, like Mars instead of Ares).
    Monotheism - Nothing special here. Sort of the same thing that happened in our own past.
    Atheism/Agnostics - Doesn't really require explanation.

    Culture - If you know ANYTHING about Greco Roman history you would know that things like bigamy and polygamy and hedonism were common. Obviously a society based on such a culture would have such things.

    Morality - This among other things has always been a topic whenever a new religion or belief system attempts to assert itself. Propaganda basically.

    I think people (especially it seems Christian who confuse monotheism immediately with Judeo-Christian/Islamic mythos) are trying to look at it as a social commentary which it's not. To science-fiction fans this is really nothing new. Heck Star Trek:TOS did an episode with an alternate timeline in which the Roman Empire never fell. Now imagine how differently it would have developed and ultimately what that world would be like in the 21st century.

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    Default Re: How do you interpret the religious overtones in Caprica?

    we also seem to have a god for every planet. or at least a religion for each planet. in 'there is another sky' we see a religious rite of the Tauron religion.

    What we seem to have is a group of 12 planets, each planet with vast differences (i remember in 'the plan' when the ship 'mother' so to speak talks bout 'the forests of so and so are burning, the fields of so and so are burning' etc. Kinda implying that each planet has its own calling card. one is agrarian, one is desert, etc.

    and each of those planets has a god that they worship. And we also seem to have some very deep seated predjudice, we saw that in 'there is another sky' as well. These 12 planets may be part of teh same federation, yet mixing seems to not be common. There seems to be a very 'us vs them' attitude.

    so the colonies are a hotbed of racial tension + religious tension. Each side seems to see its own religion and race as teh best, of course, and use that to disparage others.

    If there's any commentary on real world events, it's nothing more than how intolerance brews problems. Which is hardly a shocker or something new

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    we also seem to have a god for every planet. or at least a religion for each planet. in 'there is another sky' we see a religious rite of the Tauron religion.
    What you have presented would be the idea that each planet has it's own monotheistic religion that were at some point combined into a single unifying belief system later on. What you have is a single Polytheistic religion with various sect/cults (often intersected or with even further divisions) often paying homage to their favorites Gods or patheons. The planets were founded by the twelve tribes of Kobol and or named for the astrological zdoiac. Each planet also has a patron God likely due to a majority of a particular religious sect.

    This is in fact very very similar to ancient Greece. The Patron God of Caprica is Athena (consider Athens) and the Patron God of Tauron is Mars or Ares as the series often interchanges Greek and Roman names.

    If there's any commentary on real world events, it's nothing more than how intolerance brews problems. Which is hardly a shocker or something new
    See this is where you can interpret because I see it more as even if you change the time, place, culture, religion and what not, these various forms of intolerance will always find away to rear their ugly heads.

    Science fiction has always made these types of social commentaries and often times presenting them in ways that make you think. For example, a black and a white Caprican would have no racial issues between them. One might be rich and the other poor or a one a sinner and the other a saint but in each others eyes they are both Caprican. Now a white guy with the same financial status and morals might run into racial issues with a white Caprican; not because he has a third arm or one fewer eyes but simply because he's from another planet. If they do something with skin color it's often a derogatory term for another species like with the when the blue-skinned Andorians refer to humans as "Pink Skins". It's really sad when sci-fi pulls a 180 of stupidity like have a self contained story line where some whites and blacks have issues based solely on their skin color. This is usually in response to some national headline rather than seeing something that actually moves the plot along like in the TV show Time Trax.

    What I really think is cool about Caprica and BSG is that we get to see the persistence of these interlorances both in pre- and post-unification eras.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aarlin81 View Post
    Heck Star Trek:TOS did an episode with an alternate timeline in which the Roman Empire never fell. Now imagine how differently it would have developed and ultimately what that world would be like in the 21st century.
    Have you ever read the book "Ancient Inventions" by Peter Jaes and Nick Thorpe? It describes a variety of inventions, both technological and social, in the "ancient" world. Humanity actually had a really good chance of being at least 1800 years further advanced. For example Heron who lived in Alexandria AD 62 created a thing that he called an aeolopile. It used the same principle as jet propulsion and was a steam driven metal sphere that spun around at 1500 rpm. Unfortunately no one saw the potential of the engine and declared it a gimmick. In Corinth an tyrant has invented the railway 600 BC. Now just think about the possibilities if those two inventions had been combined! Spins my head. Interestingly a rather famous historian, Arnold Toynbee, wrote an essay about the same speculation plus what would have happened if Alexander the Great had died of old age. "The Book of General Ignorance" mentions the essay. According to Toynbee it would have created a global Greek empire, based on a fast railway, Athenian democracy and a Buddhist style religion founded on the teachings of Pythagoras. A failed prophet who lived at 4, Railway Cuttings, Nazareth is mentioned in passing.
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    Default Re: How do you interpret the religious overtones in Caprica?

    My Star Trek mention was used in context or to put a comment into context in dealing with the topic of discussion (religion and social commentary). Please refrain from using it as a jumping off point at which to hijack this thread.

    For the record I do not subscribe to pseudo-historians like James whose ideas have been largely debunked and their errors pointed out to them and yet who continue to promote their drivvel all while using the same logical fallacies they accuse others of when answering their critics.

    Lastly for those interested in actually looking up the device it's spelled aeolipile. The earliest known railway was invented in the 9th century BCE.

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    You amuse me, aarlin81. Sitting all high and mighty on your horse.
    He's like fire, ice and rage. He's like the night, and the storm in the heart of the sun.
    He's ancient and forever. He burns at the centre of time and he can see the turn of the universe.
    And he's wonderful.

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