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After now watching all 4 series again.....
I don't know which series but the Doctor said to one of his companions, possibly Martha that he saw Galifrey burn..... That he was the cause of it. Something along those lines and I am kind of sure it was Martha.
That made me think of the very first of the new series and Parting Of The Ways and I wonder if the Doctor used a weapon like the Delta Wave as a last ditch effort to fight the Daleks and it caused both them and Galifrey to burn while he was safe in the TARDIS watching as a helpless observer.....
Now that we are getting End of time What do people think of this?
Well, if that is the reason then the Time Lords have a good reason to have a vendetta against The Doctor, and to be angry. I wonder if this means the Time Lords will be enemies in the next series.
Well the Doctor was always seemingly on the run from his own people in the original classic series. I think I'd quite enjoy a return to that, although the return of the Time Lords kinda destroys the point of the last four series for me
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Well I'm glad the timelords are returning. I just hope that they will be here to stay, not like the return of the ancients in SGA.
I don't really recall the Time Lords ever being truly happy to see the Doctor, even when
The Time Lords always seemed a bit off-ity and non-caring, unless their own life was in danger. It's always been the Doctor who has had the hearts to care about the rest of the universe, for which the Time Lords were overseers of. Occasionally, there have also been higher powers (beings) at work, even more powerful than the Time Lords..
But as for the Time Lords.. they always seem to clash with the Doctor's way of thinking, and I doubt even if they return for a while (as in resetting / fixing whatever happened with the Time Wars), if they will ever be in complete agreement with the Doctor's ways... which when speculating how instrumental the Time Lords might be in fixing the Doctor's life at the end of EoT-Part 2, it might be more likely to find the Time Lords arguing over helping regenerate the Doctor, and us -- the audience-- seeing some other force step in and fix the Doctor so that he will transform into a new "self".
But.. that's my own personal theory.
But they elected themselves as overseers of the univese. No one wanted them in that role, that they imposed upon themselves, that strikes me as very arrogant and presumptuous..
That makes them potential bad guys in my books. No wonder the Doctor ran from Galifrey.
If it'll be that the Time Lords do turn out to be bad guys come next season, I can't see how that is going to work. They are the masters of space and time, correct? That being the case, if they're going to hunt the Doctor next series, they'd essentially know where he is going to be, and when. He wont have time to stop off at random planets picking up companions and solving problems, cause the timelords will be right behind him.
Depending upon how they return, I think, come the closure of the episode, the timelords will allow the Doctor to live (as he'll have regenerated) but they'll disown him, and will make it clear that he isn't welcome on Gallifrey, or wherever it is they're hiding now.
It's Probin' Time!
Part two was better than part one. It was a real tear jerker
gunna miss him
There, I said it.
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"Five Rounds Rapid"
10th Doc goes back to the day before Rose meets the 9th Doctor!
Was I the only one expecting Christopher Eccelston (9th Doctor) to show up when David Tennant (10th Doctor) was strugling to get back to the TARDIS and help him just after he sees pre-Doctor Rose?
And we still don't know who The Woman was? I'm still inclined to think it was The Doctor's Mother. Also, after David was done regenerating, the TARDIS console started falling to bits. I hope they don't make the interior look cr*p in the next season.
Oh, and Timothy Dalton was Lord President Rassilon according to one scene. Also, where did The Master go? We didn't see him die or dissapear in anyway?
And was it just me, or was that the Resurrection Gauntlet from Torchwood that Rasslon was using?
Teselecta: "Silence will fall when the question is asked."
Doctor: "And what is the question?"
Teselecta: "How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?"
Doctor: " *Brainfart* ".
Was a good episode though, what a way for Tennant to go. Not so sure why the Tardis is falling apart though, the Doctor has regenerated before without destroying the Tardis.
Also, in regards to the TimelordsSpoiler:
Goes without saying too, that we now know why the Doctor killed his own people. Even though I doubt very much they were all corrupt. I am suprised though that the Doctor didn't actually have anything to directly do with Donna. That seemed a bit of a miss. She seems to be remembering bits and pieces, yet nothing ever came of it.
Also, a nice little problem here (depending how much you look into it).Was nice to see all of the old cast too, a proper farewell, although I do wonder whether we'll see any of them again, being that the new Doctor is suppose to have his own show (so to speak) and is to be leaving everyone and everything else behind.Spoiler:
I'm pretty sure I missed something, but this'll have to do for now.
Edit: In regards to regenerationSpoiler:
It's Probin' Time!
Man, that was terrible.
Time Lords come back. Time Lords don't stay. Oh boy.
The Master's impact on the world is literally hand-waved away.
Wilf had no purpose other than bring about the Doctor's death. With some stupid plot point about a radiation chamber thing, and a lot of technobabble. Just seems too forced for me.
The gun part was pointless. "Oh no, the Doctor's going to have to shoot someone!" and then he doesn't. That part didn't even make any sense to me.
"Oh no he's going to shoot James Bond!" Wait a second. That wont help anything! It's the Master he's going to have to shoot if anything, stop leaping back and forth.
And then he shoots the Crystal device, which a Sonic Screwdriver could have achieved anyway.
And I agree with Flying Officer Bennett, Matt Smith's Doctor seemed too similar to Tennant's in the short segment he was in. It felt poor. Nothing against the actor, but he shouldn't be written to imitate Tennant.
Donna was pretty pointless in this too. She did nothing. If you're going to show her, at least give her some small role to play.
I enjoyed the Doctor/ Master conversation at the start though, with the Doctor still offering redemption and a chance to explore the Universe by his side.
Over-all though, it was pretty cheesy. And not good Doctor Who cheesy, but cheap Sci-Fi Original Movie cheesy. I'm glad that RTD is leaving, I never really fancied his stories.
what a load of crap.
Sorry but RTD has really done it this time for me, I'll elaborate later, gonna go get drunk now.
I dunno if Im happy or sad about that.... I was really looking forward to it...Spoiler:
I dunno what to put in here now..
I loved it. The Doctor Should die saving a single person; not the whole universe, just one friend. I loved the little Cactus, I loved Verity Newman, I was happy to see Donna happy, I loved the WORST RESCUE EVER and I loved the explanation for the Master's madness.
Eh?Furthermore, I think they cheaped the idea of regeneration by suggesting that the next doctor is not as much of the Doctor as the current Doctor is.Its as likely that RTD read a '50s Asimov story called "the Last Question" or that he watched Babylon 5. There's nothing new under the sunOh and RTD has obviously been watching Stargate - Now the Timelords want to ASCEND! Dear me. I somehow doubt 'the others' would be happy with that.
Btw - was it just me, or did the Doctor call the Lord President 'Rassilon'?
And no, it wasnt just you.
It worked then just fine..
And I think Doctor # 4's era made some sort of compromise about how the whole Time Lord's were basically forced to begin appreciating the Doctor for rescuing them during some of the most impossible odds. It has happened before and might happen again.. just a *wild* thought.
This particular TARDIS is a type 40 (type forte in some translations =).
Before the series began, this specific TARDIS was originally sitting in a garbage dump already decommissioned and waiting for permanent disposal (destruction). It was abandoned in a sense, and the Doctor got curious, went inside and took off with it. Somehow, he ended up with the imprint of the operator assigned to that TARDIS, and the rest became history.
So, ever since those fateful days from the very beginnings of the Doctor's journeys, he hasn't exactly been disowned, but was more of a fugitive --always on the run from his own people-- for being a thief. That essentially has always been the core roots of the DOCTOR WHO series.
Naturally, he might not be welcomed back to Gallifrey with open arms, but someone or something -- somewhere in time and space has always been guarding over the Doctor and always bringing him into places where he's been needed the most. It's never been clear if the Time Lords were actually responsible or if the TARDIS itself was a sentient being and therefore guardian over Time and Space -- higher than the mere Time Lords of Gallifrey.
It will be interesting to see how the stories pan out from here on in, with the Doctor fighting the Master or some other creature in Time and Space. I think when he attended the Academy and failed to graduate properly, he was unable to regenerate. But once he entered the TARDIS, the higher powers that be and have guarded over him, gave him the ability to become immortal to a point, by regeneration. Yes, it will be sad to see David Tennant's Doctor #10's cycle close, but this series has a way of being creative enough to find ways of keeping the Doctor alive, in whatever actor or appearance he has turned up into.
*Gropes for another tissue*
what can I say,
The conclusion of Part One wasn't as good as it could have been but after that, the Dr's 'death' was very well done.
Hands up who didn't see the Deux Ex Machina coming
The whole conclusion was a bit pants IMO
But the whole Pre death/visiting companions/saying goodbye to Wilf was brilliant, fantastically acted by David Tennant and Bernard Cribbins.
So we still haven't really got a conclusion to the Time War (See first comment)
Didn't see it being Wilf that knocked four times.
Ahhhh, Jack and Midshipman Frame got together (There's gonna be some angry Jack/Ianto shippers out there)
I think I blubbed the most over Jessica Hynes character and Wilf's final goodbye
So questions left over
Was Timothy Dalton Rassilon?
Was that female Timelord/Wilf's vision Romana?
Mickey and Martha WTF??? I thought she married Tom, or was that an AU Mickey and Martha?
I loved the Doctor giving Donna that lottery ticket and borrowing the money from Donna's Dad.
All in all, it was a lot better than part one.
Oh, one more thought, do you think anyone will show this to George Lucas? At least RTD admitted, kind of, that the battle sequence was based on Star Wars