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    The End of Time, Part 2 (2009)

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    THE END OF TIME, PART 2

    With all of Earth under the Master's control, the Doctor tries to convince him that there is yet a greater threat to them both: the Time Lords are returning.

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    #2
    After now watching all 4 series again.....

    I don't know which series but the Doctor said to one of his companions, possibly Martha that he saw Galifrey burn..... That he was the cause of it. Something along those lines and I am kind of sure it was Martha.

    That made me think of the very first of the new series and Parting Of The Ways and I wonder if the Doctor used a weapon like the Delta Wave as a last ditch effort to fight the Daleks and it caused both them and Galifrey to burn while he was safe in the TARDIS watching as a helpless observer.....

    Now that we are getting End of time What do people think of this?
    Go home aliens, go home!!!!

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      #3
      Well, if that is the reason then the Time Lords have a good reason to have a vendetta against The Doctor, and to be angry. I wonder if this means the Time Lords will be enemies in the next series.

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        #4
        Well the Doctor was always seemingly on the run from his own people in the original classic series. I think I'd quite enjoy a return to that, although the return of the Time Lords kinda destroys the point of the last four series for me
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          #5
          Originally posted by Admiral Mappalazarou View Post
          Well the Doctor was always seemingly on the run from his own people in the original classic series. I think I'd quite enjoy a return to that, although the return of the Time Lords kinda destroys the point of the last four series for me
          As did every reappearance of the daleks after the Doctor's constant 'they're all gone' rhetoric.


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            #6
            Well I'm glad the timelords are returning. I just hope that they will be here to stay, not like the return of the ancients in SGA.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Coco Pops View Post
              ...that he saw Galifrey burn..... That he was the cause of it. Something along those lines and I am kind of sure it was Martha.

              That made me think of the very first of the new series and Parting Of The Ways and I wonder if the Doctor used a weapon like the Delta Wave as a last ditch effort to fight the Daleks and it caused both them and Galifrey to burn while he was safe in the TARDIS watching as a helpless observer.....

              Originally posted by Replicator Todd View Post
              Well, if that is the reason then the Time Lords have a good reason to have a vendetta against The Doctor, and to be angry. I wonder if this means the Time Lords will be enemies in the next series.

              Originally posted by Admiral Mappalazarou View Post
              Well the Doctor was always seemingly on the run from his own people in the original classic series...
              Actually, I think from earlier DW (actor #) versions, I think the Doctor and the Time Lords never did ever agree on the same groundwork levels. The Time Lords seemed to jump into throwing the Doctor to his death on several occasions..
              I don't really recall the Time Lords ever being truly happy to see the Doctor, even when
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              the Doctor became President of Gallifrey by default (I think that happened during Tom Baker's reign)


              The Time Lords always seemed a bit off-ity and non-caring, unless their own life was in danger. It's always been the Doctor who has had the hearts to care about the rest of the universe, for which the Time Lords were overseers of. Occasionally, there have also been higher powers (beings) at work, even more powerful than the Time Lords..

              But as for the Time Lords.. they always seem to clash with the Doctor's way of thinking, and I doubt even if they return for a while (as in resetting / fixing whatever happened with the Time Wars), if they will ever be in complete agreement with the Doctor's ways... which when speculating how instrumental the Time Lords might be in fixing the Doctor's life at the end of EoT-Part 2, it might be more likely to find the Time Lords arguing over helping regenerate the Doctor, and us -- the audience-- seeing some other force step in and fix the Doctor so that he will transform into a new "self".
              But.. that's my own personal theory.

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                #8
                But they elected themselves as overseers of the univese. No one wanted them in that role, that they imposed upon themselves, that strikes me as very arrogant and presumptuous..

                That makes them potential bad guys in my books. No wonder the Doctor ran from Galifrey.
                Go home aliens, go home!!!!

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                  #9
                  If it'll be that the Time Lords do turn out to be bad guys come next season, I can't see how that is going to work. They are the masters of space and time, correct? That being the case, if they're going to hunt the Doctor next series, they'd essentially know where he is going to be, and when. He wont have time to stop off at random planets picking up companions and solving problems, cause the timelords will be right behind him.

                  Depending upon how they return, I think, come the closure of the episode, the timelords will allow the Doctor to live (as he'll have regenerated) but they'll disown him, and will make it clear that he isn't welcome on Gallifrey, or wherever it is they're hiding now.
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Coco Pops View Post
                    But they elected themselves as overseers of the univese. No one wanted them in that role, that they imposed upon themselves, that strikes me as very arrogant and presumptuous..

                    That makes them potential bad guys in my books. No wonder the Doctor ran from Galifrey.
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                      #11
                      Part two was better than part one. It was a real tear jerker
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                        #12
                        I'm dissapointed.

                        There, I said it.

                        Spoiler:

                        For a start I think Wilf was handled terribly. He was set up to be an old soldier who was yet to fight his key battle, and then what was his role? To get trapped in a bloody cubicle and lead to the Doctor's death. And even the Doctor started slagging him off for that. Wilf should have played a major role in this, not get shafted as he did.

                        Furthermore, what the bloody hell was with the Doctor visiting his most recent friends and seeing them alright? He's NEVER needed to do that before.

                        Honestly - I think they milked this massively. DT leaving is NOT the end of everything, he's no more special than any previous Doctor, we did NOT need a 'this is your life' style walk down memory lane. Furthermore, I think they cheaped the idea of regeneration by suggesting that the next doctor is not as much of the Doctor as the current Doctor is.

                        I'm also not happy at all with the introduction of Matt Smith, he was written too similarly to DT in this scene, which I think damaged the moment considerably.

                        I DID like the Master finally getting his own back, and that WAS good, but overall, I feel let down.

                        Sure, DT had an emotional performance, but in my opinion, it was an unnecessary one.



                        And sorry - MICKEY AND MARTHA?! What!?





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                        Oh and RTD has obviously been watching Stargate - Now the Timelords want to ASCEND! Dear me. I somehow doubt 'the others' would be happy with that.


                        Btw - was it just me, or did the Doctor call the Lord President 'Rassilon'?

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                          #13
                          OMFG!
                          10th Doc goes back to the day before Rose meets the 9th Doctor!

                          Was I the only one expecting Christopher Eccelston (9th Doctor) to show up when David Tennant (10th Doctor) was strugling to get back to the TARDIS and help him just after he sees pre-Doctor Rose?

                          And we still don't know who The Woman was? I'm still inclined to think it was The Doctor's Mother. Also, after David was done regenerating, the TARDIS console started falling to bits. I hope they don't make the interior look cr*p in the next season.

                          Oh, and Timothy Dalton was Lord President Rassilon according to one scene. Also, where did The Master go? We didn't see him die or dissapear in anyway?

                          And was it just me, or was that the Resurrection Gauntlet from Torchwood that Rasslon was using?
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Flying Officer Bennett View Post
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                            Furthermore, what the bloody hell was with the Doctor visiting his most recent friends and seeing them alright? He's NEVER needed to do that before.
                            Saying goodbye maybe? He knows that his time is up, wanted to do the rounds, have one last look at everyone.

                            Originally posted by Flying Officer Bennett View Post
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                            And sorry - MICKEY AND MARTHA?! What!?
                            Saw that one coming. It's been rumoured for a while, has it not?

                            Was a good episode though, what a way for Tennant to go. Not so sure why the Tardis is falling apart though, the Doctor has regenerated before without destroying the Tardis.

                            Also, in regards to the Timelords
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                            I believe that is well and truly the end of the Master too. If he's gone back to Gallifrey with the other Timelords (that woman was so the Doctors mother by the way).


                            Goes without saying too, that we now know why the Doctor killed his own people. Even though I doubt very much they were all corrupt. I am suprised though that the Doctor didn't actually have anything to directly do with Donna. That seemed a bit of a miss. She seems to be remembering bits and pieces, yet nothing ever came of it.

                            Also, a nice little problem here (depending how much you look into it).
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                            Rose saw the Doctor, who she'd later meet, but surely she'd have recognised him? Granted he was in the shadows, but I'm sure she'd have seen his face.
                            Was nice to see all of the old cast too, a proper farewell, although I do wonder whether we'll see any of them again, being that the new Doctor is suppose to have his own show (so to speak) and is to be leaving everyone and everything else behind.

                            I'm pretty sure I missed something, but this'll have to do for now.

                            Edit: In regards to regeneration
                            Spoiler:
                            Has it suddenly changed? All past ones haven't been so... emotional. It was more like "I'm going to regenerate, but I'll be the same person, don't worry". This time, it was more like "I'm going to regenerate, but I'll be a whole new person, and my old self will die". What?
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                              #15
                              Man, that was terrible.

                              Time Lords come back. Time Lords don't stay. Oh boy.

                              The Master's impact on the world is literally hand-waved away.

                              Wilf had no purpose other than bring about the Doctor's death. With some stupid plot point about a radiation chamber thing, and a lot of technobabble. Just seems too forced for me.

                              The gun part was pointless. "Oh no, the Doctor's going to have to shoot someone!" and then he doesn't. That part didn't even make any sense to me.

                              "Oh no he's going to shoot James Bond!" Wait a second. That wont help anything! It's the Master he's going to have to shoot if anything, stop leaping back and forth.

                              And then he shoots the Crystal device, which a Sonic Screwdriver could have achieved anyway.

                              And I agree with Flying Officer Bennett, Matt Smith's Doctor seemed too similar to Tennant's in the short segment he was in. It felt poor. Nothing against the actor, but he shouldn't be written to imitate Tennant.

                              Donna was pretty pointless in this too. She did nothing. If you're going to show her, at least give her some small role to play.


                              I enjoyed the Doctor/ Master conversation at the start though, with the Doctor still offering redemption and a chance to explore the Universe by his side.

                              Over-all though, it was pretty cheesy. And not good Doctor Who cheesy, but cheap Sci-Fi Original Movie cheesy. I'm glad that RTD is leaving, I never really fancied his stories.

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