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    Visit the Episode GuideDOCTOR WHO SPECIALS:
    THE END OF TIME, PART 1

    Faced with the prophecy of his own death, the Doctor learns that his greatest foe is about to be resurrected -- with a new plan to conquer the human race.

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    well that was the biggest load of rubbish I've seen in a while, the best bit was June Whitfield groaping The Doctor. Even the dulcet tones of Timothy Dalton couldn't save it. Thank God this and the next is the last RTD drivel we'll see.

    Steven Moffat, your public await you

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    I quite liked it, certainly better than the giant robot stamping on London last christmas. However it wasn't epic, it was just good and that's unfortunate because these last two eps may decide how some people remember Tennant's era.

    The Master's return was...not very well executed. What the hell is the 'Book of Saxon' and why didn't they mention it in Series 3? I ignored this and continued to watch, being drawn into Simm's acting Then things got stranger. The Master was like Gollum, only he had superpowers. I shrugged and continued, and ultimately adored it when the Master and the Doctor finally confronted each other and, instead of fighting it out, they talked of Gallifrey and the Master's past.

    The 'I want my daughter to live forever' storyline sucked, although I did like the two cactus aliens who knew the machine was alien and wanted it back.

    Wilfred Mott is awesome as always - 'She's a cactus!', and I enjoyed his emotional scene in the cafe' with the Doctor.

    As for the last twenty seconds featuring James Bond and his congregation of surviving Time Lords? O...M...G Please don't make it like the return of the ancients, please please don't make the Time Lord's complete idiots for no reason

    What I would have preferred;

    The Doctor told the Master that a great darkness was coming and drawing the two of them together, so I would have had the two reluctantly team up (as like in 'The Five Doctors') to resist a greater enemy. The character development/interaction could have been incredible, and then the ultimate sympathy as one or both of our favourite Time Lords have to regenerate by the episode's climax.

    I think that this would have been far more interesting than relying almost completely on the Master's insanity to be the main negative force.

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    Ahh, Dr Who meets The Matrix......

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    There was plenty of potential with this, it was just slightly bogged under all these unexplained plot devices, liek the Book of Saxon and the Master's sudden superpowers.

    I can't help but think that John Simm had great fun with the end of the episode and the gerneal acting crazy Shame we have to wait a week for the next episode, hopefully it'll up the pace and epicness.
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    Hmmm...

    1. Liked the early scene with Lucy - surprised nothing more came of it.

    2. Master bouncing everywhere. WTF?

    3. Master eating people. WTF?

    4. Immortality Gate and cactuses. Cool idea.

    5. Wilfred and mystery woman. WTF?

    6. Donna gets her memory back. Cool.

    7. Humanity gets Masterised? Think you've overdone it there RTD.

    8. Timelords. WTF?

    Fun, in a very warped way. One hell of a lot of questions marks for next week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt G View Post
    Hmmm...


    3. Master eating people. WTF?

    Back up option when you dont have a matter condensation device.....

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    So is Obama a straight ginger who should be replaced by an Aeryn or am I missing something?

    I loved it. Good, proper Doctor Who as always. I liked how accomplished it was. Yes, there was a lot of exposistion, but once The Master was abducted the story slowed to a quieter pace and was furthered by dialouge and suspense. Even the most obvious of cliffhangers came off as something I didnt expect. Wilf was a trooper, and Donna was used rather graciously.

    Props to RTD for restoring the omnipotence of The Time Lords. It's been a long time since they were seen as forboding, capable of mercy and terror simotaniously with what they can do. The Lady In White is a great use of the Time Lord's concept, she inspires a selfless, kind soul like Wilf to take arms and prepare to commit murder if neccersary, which leads to his moral dillema in the "Next Time" trailer, he obviously donest want to take a life, but he wants The Doctor to.

    Tennant's scene in the diner as he breifly chokes up should have been played up more. He shrugs it off immediatly and the scene is neglected afterwards to build towards the cliff-hanger. He takes a moment to pity himself as he faces his mortality

    ****

    please please don't make the Time Lord's complete idiots for no reasons
    Robert Holmes was doing that years before anyone else.
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    Well that was...disapointing. Immediately it might fare better in a rewatch where I'm not quite so tipsy from Christmas lunch but still. It seemed horrifically disjointed, the Master's return seemed ridiculously Deus Ex Machina especially with no mention of why he can now fly and zap people with his hands and I have always been very vocally against the return of the Time Lords.

    Admittedly I did love most the bits with John Simm, he did amazingly well with such an awful script and the bit at the end where everyone was him and they celebrated I thought was really well done despite it ripping off the Matrix (if only it hadn't come from nowhere).

    On an unrelated note, whatever happened to the scene that filming photos of circulated the net a while back with the
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    Doctor confronting Nurse Joan's granddaughter in a book shop about her publishing his diary
    (Spoilers in case it somehow turns up in Part 2, I don't see how but in a story this disjointed...)

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    How did it "rip off The Matrix"? The Matrix itself ripped that idea off from a lot of concepts pioneered by other books and films.

    The Master Race was more a tribute to the movie "Being John Malcovtich" than The Matrix

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    Quote Originally Posted by Admiral Mappalazarou View Post
    IThe Doctor told the Master that a great darkness was coming and drawing the two of them together, so I would have had the two reluctantly team up (as like in 'The Five Doctors') to resist a greater enemy. The character development/interaction could have been incredible, and then the ultimate sympathy as one or both of our favourite Time Lords have to regenerate by the episode's climax.

    I think that this would have been far more interesting than relying almost completely on the Master's insanity to be the main negative force.

    6.5/10.
    I'm thinking this is what they might use for the next episode. After all, the whole way through they were saying there's something bigger and worse than what the Master was up to...

    Quote Originally Posted by PMN1 View Post
    Ahh, Dr Who meets The Matrix......
    How did I not realise this immediately!! Please enter Neo...

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    Hmmm...

    1. Liked the early scene with Lucy - surprised nothing more came of it.
    Yeah - love her character, she would have made a great addition to the plot!!

    5. Wilfred and mystery woman. WTF?
    Ramona. I hope

    7. Humanity gets Masterised? Think you've overdone it there RTD.
    Try, but who else now wants to go there?! (just me...? )

    Fun, in a very warped way. One hell of a lot of questions marks for next week.
    So just like normal then!

    I must say though - Davies is kinda a story stealer. Obv can see the influence of the Matrix in this. And all the way through the series I've been spotting other stories... These are the main ones, although I'm sure there are more.

    - S2 finale: the end of The Amber Spyglass (I can give 5 parallels they used - obvious rip off).

    - S4 finale: the basic plot from Life, the Universe and Everything (Hitch Hiker's Guide part 3) - the reality bomb, the pocket of time, one race left at the end of the universe, and they even used the theme tune at one point!!

    - Xmas Ep: Neo's jumps + Agent Smith's cloning of himself within the Matrix.

    *sigh*

    Still v enjoyable though! And obv there are only so many stories, especially within this genre, but still, sometimes they could be a bit more subtle!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarius View Post
    How did it "rip off The Matrix"? The Matrix itself ripped that idea off from a lot of concepts pioneered by other books and films.
    The Master Race was more a tribute to the movie "Being John Malcovtich" than The Matrix
    hmm... true. Like I said, only so many stories!
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    just reposting

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    A new trailer and scenes from the second instalment (MAJOR SPOILERS)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSDdvNObe8c


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPhRn-1pzdo


    People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but *actually* from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint... it happens to kinda look like the name 'Jeremy Bearimy' in cursive English.

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    John Simm in a strange selection of dresses was priceless....

    Other than that very disappointed, nothing surprised me, I know this is mostly for kids so I let some things slide like the negative skulls thing, but I am so glad this is RTD's last two episodes that anything Steven Moffat produces is going to be better than this.

    RTD seemed to run out of stories about 2 years ago, I just hope Moffat doesn't burn out so quickly.

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    john simms was epic in PT1 the whole matrix feel doesn't bother me at all. i find it interesting that the master's resurrection went wrong and now he's just this hungry craze loon. stuck in the same body as saxon.

    i have high hopes for donna in pt 2 the whole doctor/donna character could pay off wonderfully if done right. i do find it disturbing that the master turned all humans into "the master race"

    and at the end with the time lords ..... how are their back ....grrrr pt 2 can't come quick enough

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    It won't be the same next year. I have very high hopes for series 5, because having seen every episode since the revival back in 2005 I can safely describe Moffat's as being the best;

    - Blink
    - The Lonely Child/The Doctor Dances
    - Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead
    - Girl in the Fireplace

    I think once Moffat's series comes out, the show will return to the 'hiding behind the sofa' days, because yes he is a far superior writer and has illustrated a far superior imagination in his creatures and characters than RTD has. His baddies have actually been scary, and that is what the classic series gained a lot of its fame for. I don't hate RTD, I think he is a good writer but Moffat will prove he is better, I'm certain of it.

    The climax of series 4 sucked, and the specials that followed have been okay so far (with the exception of Waters on Mars, which was absolutely brilliant).

    End of Time Part One was good, but not great. And it should have been great. I hope Part Two picks up or it'll scar Tennant's era for me if it ends badly.

    Oh, and I'm so hoping there's a preview for the 2010 series at the end of next episode
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    Let's try to discuss the show without whinging about other fans

    and if you can't do that, then go play somewhere else.

    I'm not going to be able to see this for another 24 hours, and if i get spoiled having to come in here and moderate the disrespectful and rude, i will NOT be happy.

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    I have to admit, I was unimpressed. Simm, as always, is a star, but as a whole it seemed pretty uninspired. Part 2 can hopefully redeem it because I'd hate to see Tennant go out on a low note.

    Also, Moffat > Davies. I've never been a big Davies fan. I give him full credit for reviving the series, but I am more than ready for the Moff, ready to have more wonderful "Everybody lives Rose! Just this once, everybody lives!" moments.
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    Not overwhelmed, but enjoyed it just the same. Feels like it was just a major setup for Part Two.

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    And if, as the end indicates, Gallifrey and the Time Lords are returning....well, I guess that's why the next series is being promoted as Series One rather than Five.
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    Part one was rather unimpressive.

    I'm hoping part two clears that up.

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