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Hello there! I‘m joining the ranks of those who got nostalgic recently and I‘m very glad to see the discussion is still going strong here! I’ve been reading fanfics on and off in the past years, but I’ve actually forgotten what a happy place this show and this ship are for me. I just started reading Sally Malcolm‘s Honor-books (my first fandemoniums), and maybe I’ll even start a rewatch as soon as I have access to my DVDs again. But I have to say, I am surprised how this stuff is burned into my brain lol, even though it’s been over 10 years! I‘ll try to contribute to the thread from now on!sigpic
(I don’t know who made this gif but I’ve always loved this lil guy since I started hanging out here on GW back in the day. Happy to give credit!)
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Originally posted by Nefer View PostHello there! I‘m joining the ranks of those who got nostalgic recently and I‘m very glad to see the discussion is still going strong here! I’ve been reading fanfics on and off in the past years, but I’ve actually forgotten what a happy place this show and this ship are for me. I just started reading Sally Malcolm‘s Honor-books (my first fandemoniums), and maybe I’ll even start a rewatch as soon as I have access to my DVDs again. But I have to say, I am surprised how this stuff is burned into my brain lol, even though it’s been over 10 years! I‘ll try to contribute to the thread from now on!
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Originally posted by gate101 View PostMaybe it's just me but post S8 very little made sense to me in terms of these 2 characters career path. Jack who is an action man (but loves the quiet downtime in his home or cabin) that hates politics and politicians would never take a desk job in THE land of politicians known as Washington D.C.. I just don't ever see that happening. He would rather retire and become a civilian consultant or something. Sam's biggest asset was her brain yet they had her chose a military career path instead of a scientific one post S8. Leader of Atlantis or commander of the Hammond is so freaking pointless. More importantly, I can't see the Pentagon/Homeworld Security allowing that to happen. They need her smarts more than her military prowess. How many times were we hit over the head with her brain being a natural resource/treasure? Her heading up Area 51 made perfect sense to me. Tinkering with alien devices, reverse engineering technology or going to help out with major scientific problems on another planet or Atlantis or whatever. That's what she is all about.
I can't see a single Watsonian reason for these choices because it's completely OOC for me. Instead it seemed to be done for entirely Doylist reasons. Such as them wanting to keep the characters apart (preferably galaxies apart) to continue the stupidity of ambiguity. And to keep them on the shows (one permanently the other with guest appearances) they took the laziest way out in terms of writing by choosing paths for them that make no sense in-universe.
Jack's promotion makes more sense to me (just because they need someone with his expertise about the military dangers out there in DC, and there isn't really anyone else), but I am finding it hard to imagine that he is not seeing this as a chore.
What we could add to this list is that Daniel wasn't allowed to go to Atlantis that first time around. I mean, if anything ever was, this. was. his. jam! It's been a long time since I've seen the series, but I distinctly remember there being a scene in the Atlantis pilot where he is trying to talk Jack into letting him go, and he just forbids it. I remember thinking why the hell not?? He's not specifically needed on earth, he's lonely, he's perfect for the job, they will need him, and he really wants to go! Clearly, they didn't want to lose him from SG-1, but still ...
By the way I've started my rewatch yesterday. Watched the first half of the SG-1 pilot, and good grief, I remember every single line lol! I must have watched it so many times. It was the first DVD I ever bought and for some time it was the only one I had. Good times. My rewatch is going to be slow going because I don't have a lot of time, but I'll try to keep it up. Hoping for some more discussion on here.sigpic
(I don’t know who made this gif but I’ve always loved this lil guy since I started hanging out here on GW back in the day. Happy to give credit!)
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Hello! So glad people are talking about this show again or more importantly about S/J! I discovered Stargate about a year ago and have been slightly obsessed ever since. How are you handling Seasons 9 and 10? I started watching S9 and just couldn't get into it. I loved Ben Browder in Farscape but just couldn't really stomach him in Stargate. I've heard he gets better...
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Originally posted by Nefer View PostHello there! I‘m joining the ranks of those who got nostalgic recently and I‘m very glad to see the discussion is still going strong here! I’ve been reading fanfics on and off in the past years, but I’ve actually forgotten what a happy place this show and this ship are for me. I just started reading Sally Malcolm‘s Honor-books (my first fandemoniums), and maybe I’ll even start a rewatch as soon as I have access to my DVDs again. But I have to say, I am surprised how this stuff is burned into my brain lol, even though it’s been over 10 years! I‘ll try to contribute to the thread from now on!
I've started SO MANY rewatches in the past few months. I have a rewatch going with my husband and one on my own and one with my parents. I also went back in this thread and read the comments on the previous rewatches. (Lots of downtime recently!) I agree with AmFor - I'd enjoy reading others comments and notes on another rewatch!
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Originally posted by samfalstaff View PostI loved Ben Browder in Farscape but just couldn't really stomach him in Stargate. I've heard he gets better...
Originally posted by samfalstaff View PostI've heard good things about the Honor books. How are you liking them? Right now I'm reading Hostile Ground, the first part of the Apocalypse series, also by Malcolm. There's some really good S/J in there. Nothing overt but definitely S/J implications.sigpic
(I don’t know who made this gif but I’ve always loved this lil guy since I started hanging out here on GW back in the day. Happy to give credit!)
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Originally posted by Nefer View PostAs far as I remember I really liked him as an actor and a character (hadn't seen Farscape then). I always thought he could have played Jack O'Neill in a parallel universe, and if Jack wasn't in the picture I could have seen myself shipping Sam and Cam (sorry for this blasphemy, but this is obviously a big what if, RDA & S/J 5ever). On the other hand it kind of felt like they were trying so hard to replace Jack instead of just focussing on the existing characters more and that made it kind of weird for me. But none of that was Ben Browder’s fault. I'm excited to see how I feel about this once I've reached this point in my rewatch (whenever that will be, there a looooot of episode).
I'm about 1/4 into A Matter of Honour and I am really liking it. It feels like watching an episode. No real S/J so far, but I wasn't expecting that (I guess that's what her wonderful fanfics are for ...). The Apocalypse-series is definitely going to be next, especially after this endorsement.
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So, I finally started my rewatch with “Children of the Gods†and “The Enemy Within†, and I have a couple of thoughts and would be interested in yours. Sorry if this is just a do-over content wise, but better repetition than nothing I also apologise if this isn’t SUPER S/J-shipping related, but it does concern their relationship, and we always wear our super magnifying shipper goggles here, don’t we?
So, what do you guys think about S/J first meeting and their relationship in the pilot? (I hope this doesn’t open a can of worms, but I would be interested in your opinions). You know THAT scene in the briefing room. AT has said in several interviews that she finds this scene is awful/awkward (or something negative like that) and an indication that the writers hadn’t found her voice yet (sorry, I don’t remember which interviews). Plus, there’s the scene in Moebius were they make fun of it (“who would say something like that?â€) Over the years I’ve seen a lot of apologetic reactions to it.
What do you think? Is it a good or a bad first scene together, and how do you think it impacted their relationship, if at all? And isn’t it super insubordinate for her to talk to him like this? But maybe that’s why he likes her immediately Sam actually has another early totally insubordinate moment in The Enemy Within when she says to Colonel! Kennedy: “I’m sorry, what was your point?â€. Both of these feel kind of out of character with later Sam, but maybe I’m wrong about that. I will pay closer attention to how much of a goody-goody she actually is and if her sass has just slipped under my radar.
I also have a question about another scene: Right after they first arrive on Chulak, Sam, Jack and Kawalsky have the following exchange:
CARTER: I set up a line of claymores along that ridge at ten-meter intervals.
O'NEILL: Sound about right, Kawalsky?
KAWALSKY: Yeah, that'll work.
Both Jack and Kawalsky are kind of snickering here. What do you think is going on here exactly? Are they making fun of her eagerness? I’m not sure I understand the scene. Maybe not being a native speaker has something to do with it.
P.S. I only just took the time to read up on how the kudos system on this board works (better late than never) and I just want to apologise to anyone who has greened me in the past and I didn’t reciprocate or react. I … just didn’t get it.sigpic
(I don’t know who made this gif but I’ve always loved this lil guy since I started hanging out here on GW back in the day. Happy to give credit!)
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Originally posted by Nefer View PostSo, I finally started my rewatch with “Children of the Gods†and “The Enemy Within†, and I have a couple of thoughts and would be interested in yours. Sorry if this is just a do-over content wise, but better repetition than nothing I also apologise if this isn’t SUPER S/J-shipping related, but it does concern their relationship, and we always wear our super magnifying shipper goggles here, don’t we?
Originally posted by Nefer View PostSo, what do you guys think about S/J first meeting and their relationship in the pilot? (I hope this doesn’t open a can of worms, but I would be interested in your opinions). You know THAT scene in the briefing room. AT has said in several interviews that she finds this scene is awful/awkward (or something negative like that) and an indication that the writers hadn’t found her voice yet (sorry, I don’t remember which interviews). Plus, there’s the scene in Moebius were they make fun of it (“who would say something like that?â€) Over the years I’ve seen a lot of apologetic reactions to it.
Originally posted by Nefer View Post
What do you think? Is it a good or a bad first scene together, and how do you think it impacted their relationship, if at all? And isn’t it super insubordinate for her to talk to him like this? But maybe that’s why he likes her immediately Sam actually has another early totally insubordinate moment in The Enemy Within when she says to Colonel! Kennedy: “I’m sorry, what was your point?â€. Both of these feel kind of out of character with later Sam, but maybe I’m wrong about that. I will pay closer attention to how much of a goody-goody she actually is and if her sass has just slipped under my radar.
Originally posted by Nefer View Post
I also have a question about another scene: Right after they first arrive on Chulak, Sam, Jack and Kawalsky have the following exchange:
CARTER: I set up a line of claymores along that ridge at ten-meter intervals.
O'NEILL: Sound about right, Kawalsky?
KAWALSKY: Yeah, that'll work.
Both Jack and Kawalsky are kind of snickering here. What do you think is going on here exactly? Are they making fun of her eagerness? I’m not sure I understand the scene. Maybe not being a native speaker has something to do with it.
Originally posted by Nefer View PostP.S. I only just took the time to read up on how the kudos system on this board works (better late than never) and I just want to apologise to anyone who has greened me in the past and I didn’t reciprocate or react. I … just didn’t get it.
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Originally posted by samfalstaff View PostWhich version of COTG did you watch? There's the original one that has the elongated scene in the briefing room (and the nudity) and the edited one (with the shorter briefing room scene) that is on Amazon Prime.
I actually don't mind the longer scene at all. As for „chip on her shoulder", honestly, there is no way she has not been through some pretty awful sexist nonsense, performing this highly in two male-dominated fields (science and combat military), and looking the way she does to boot. Ferretti and Kowalsky’s retorts (through still very good-natured in comparison to what I could imagine she has encountered) to me are not just reactions to her coming on strong, it’s probably the kind of banter she is used to navigating all the time. I mean, if we go by realistic timeline, she must have been one of the first/few female pilots and that can’t have been all smooth sailing. In my mind, her "attack" tactic here is a realistic (if not entirely ideal) attempt of dealing with such a situation. Yes, she is coming on strong, in a way she never did again. But, she’s new to this command, has no idea what to expect from her new CO, and tries to immediately assert herself (as she knows she has to). She wouldn’t know Jack would would so open about her when she came into that briefing room. So, I actually really like the scene (minus the fact that it's super unrealistic lol).
I continued with „Emancipation“ and I’m really of two minds here. On the one hand I love feminist topics, and I did like that they had an episode where it mattered that she was woman and that negotiated some of these issues (it would probably have been the case more often, realistically, considered how patriarchal the universe seems to be). But the episode just did not age well at all. I find it very problematic. And Sam was so naive in it omg!
But, at least we do get some flirty S/J interaction out of it ("Samantha!") and what is probably Teal'c's best line ever: "What is an Oprah?".
I do love how Jack continues to be so supportive of her and the whole team from the start. Who wouldn‘t immediately have a crush on him?sigpic
(I don’t know who made this gif but I’ve always loved this lil guy since I started hanging out here on GW back in the day. Happy to give credit!)
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I had quite contrary experience. Last week I saw on TV last episode. It was so sad. No RDA, no Jack and Sam, but more painful was, there was not any mention of Jack. Not a word. I almost cried.
Oh, I almost forgot. Does anyone know the name of the story in which Sam and Jack are forced to participate in an off-world marriage ritaul with a lot of phases and one of them is hunting. It was so romantic and hot and everything, but now I cant find it.
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