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    I have a question. Would it be possible for Jack and Sam to be together when for example would Sam work in Area 51 and Jack in Washington? I am mean when they wouldn't work together in SG1? Even though they would still be part of airforce, but Jack wouldn't be her commander?

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    The alien tech research department in Area 51 might be part of Homeworld Command which Jack heads and if Sam works there would place them in the same chain of command and thus wouldn't allow them to be together.

    Myself and several others have in our headcanon that at the end of season 8, Sam transferred to Area 51 with Jack still in command of the SGC. This would place them in different chains of command and thus allow them to have a romantic relationship albeit at the cost of physical distance with Jack in Colorado and Sam in Nevada.

    While separated Sam and Jack get married, thus if Sam somehow winds up under Jack's command again there won't any punishment for breaking the fraternization regs as the relationship was pre-existing before Sam joined or rejoined Jack's command.
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    Thank you and could be Jack on such a position somewhere in USA that wouldn't be connected to Sam's work? For example, she would stay in SGC, than what could he do or where can he work that he wouldn't be in command of SGC? Like for example Gen.Hammond, what is he doing now? Or what is his relation to SG1?

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    When Henry Hayes became President of the United States, he reviewed the SGC and Area 51 to see if they should continue as is, be dissolved, or reorganized. He chose to reorganize. All US government departments relating the stargate and off-world activities when place under a new umbrella organization, Homeworld Command headed by George Hammond formerly of the SGC, and Jack was promoted to Brigadier General and placed in command of the SGC and Sam was promoted to Lt Colonel and given SG-1.

    That lasted for a year when Jack was again promoted to Major General and given Homeworld Command because Hammond went for medical retirement. After this year, Sam after the death of her father and breaking up with Pete transferred to Area 51. Sam's time at Area 51 lasted only a few months as a new enemy was encountered and she went back to the SGC and SG-1.

    After 2 years the new enemy was defeated and Sam was promoted to Colonel, completing Midway Station and then seconded to the IOA to lead the Atlantis Expedition. Sam was there for a year before she was replaced due to IOA politicking. Sam then spent a year doing unspecified duties before being given command of Homeworld's newest starship the George Hammond named after the late Gen. Hammond. It was revealed in the last episode of Stargate: Atlantis that he had died recently. (This was done to honor Don S. Davis the actor who played Hammond who had also recently died.)

    Meanwhile Jack was again promoted to Lt. General and Sam was assigned to the division operating the starships which is separate from the SGC but under Homeworld.

    As to Jack, his expertise relates to the Stargate and off-world operations thus so long as Jack and Sam remain in their current assignments there is always the potential for conflicts between their professional and personal lives.
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    I watched today Threads. It is just me who thinks that Jack was too much distant? I mean he never was the one who would show Sam feelings obviously, but come on, she comes to him, wants to say practically something like this- I am not going to merry Pete because I want only you, I love and need only you, come inside and make some babies...(or something similar ) and he is just standing there with his huh, it is perfect that you want to buy a house with Pete. I don't see any emotions in his reaction. Then later when Jacob is dying it is different but still, that scene at his house when she was feeling something special and he is just like "huh?"
    When we think that before in The Lost city she wanted to tell him also something important and his reaction was I know. End of discussion. Yes again I know that it is prohibited but a small touch or something. We deserve a proper normal kiss that wouldn't be part of AU or time travel **** and so on. I am sorry I am a bit pissed but I will calm soon down

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmFor View Post
    I watched today Threads. It is just me who thinks that Jack was too much distant? I mean he never was the one who would show Sam feelings obviously, but come on, she comes to him, wants to say practically something like this- I am not going to merry Pete because I want only you, I love and need only you, come inside and make some babies...(or something similar ) and he is just standing there with his huh, it is perfect that you want to buy a house with Pete. I don't see any emotions in his reaction. Then later when Jacob is dying it is different but still, that scene at his house when she was feeling something special and he is just like "huh?"
    When we think that before in The Lost city she wanted to tell him also something important and his reaction was I know. End of discussion. Yes again I know that it is prohibited but a small touch or something. We deserve a proper normal kiss that wouldn't be part of AU or time travel **** and so on. I am sorry I am a bit pissed but I will calm soon down
    Well, to be fair, Kerry was inside his house at the moment, and he probably didn't know what to do or say with both women in his presence. Fortunately, later Kerry pointed out to him that he would be stupid to not do something to get himself and Sam together. I think he had buried his feelings for Sam so far down that he just didn't know how to act when she came to his house. Thus, the "always" when she thanked him or being there with him.

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    Yes, I think it is like you write but still...I am not happy We should have just gotten a confirmation and all shippers would be happy. Honestly I am more pissed on writers of course

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    Hello there! I‘m joining the ranks of those who got nostalgic recently and I‘m very glad to see the discussion is still going strong here! I’ve been reading fanfics on and off in the past years, but I’ve actually forgotten what a happy place this show and this ship are for me. I just started reading Sally Malcolm‘s Honor-books (my first fandemoniums), and maybe I’ll even start a rewatch as soon as I have access to my DVDs again. But I have to say, I am surprised how this stuff is burned into my brain lol, even though it’s been over 10 years! I‘ll try to contribute to the thread from now on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nefer View Post
    Hello there! I‘m joining the ranks of those who got nostalgic recently and I‘m very glad to see the discussion is still going strong here! I’ve been reading fanfics on and off in the past years, but I’ve actually forgotten what a happy place this show and this ship are for me. I just started reading Sally Malcolm‘s Honor-books (my first fandemoniums), and maybe I’ll even start a rewatch as soon as I have access to my DVDs again. But I have to say, I am surprised how this stuff is burned into my brain lol, even though it’s been over 10 years! I‘ll try to contribute to the thread from now on!
    I totally understand your feelings. I saw this series 10 years ago and now I am doing a rewatch. Currently beginning of 9th season and I am into it even more than 10 years ago. It is nice to have another shipper back and yes,just do your rewatch

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    Quote Originally Posted by gate101 View Post
    Maybe it's just me but post S8 very little made sense to me in terms of these 2 characters career path. Jack who is an action man (but loves the quiet downtime in his home or cabin) that hates politics and politicians would never take a desk job in THE land of politicians known as Washington D.C.. I just don't ever see that happening. He would rather retire and become a civilian consultant or something. Sam's biggest asset was her brain yet they had her chose a military career path instead of a scientific one post S8. Leader of Atlantis or commander of the Hammond is so freaking pointless. More importantly, I can't see the Pentagon/Homeworld Security allowing that to happen. They need her smarts more than her military prowess. How many times were we hit over the head with her brain being a natural resource/treasure? Her heading up Area 51 made perfect sense to me. Tinkering with alien devices, reverse engineering technology or going to help out with major scientific problems on another planet or Atlantis or whatever. That's what she is all about.

    I can't see a single Watsonian reason for these choices because it's completely OOC for me. Instead it seemed to be done for entirely Doylist reasons. Such as them wanting to keep the characters apart (preferably galaxies apart) to continue the stupidity of ambiguity. And to keep them on the shows (one permanently the other with guest appearances) they took the laziest way out in terms of writing by choosing paths for them that make no sense in-universe.
    This is actually something that has been bugging me, too. Obviously, I understand all the "Doylist" reasons (lol for that reference, I like this metaphor), such as cast availability and wanting to keep Sam in the franchise after the end of SG-1 and all that. But from a completely plot level instinctual view point (and this is mostly due to my personal interpretation of Sam’s character), there is no way she wouldn’t stay at Area 51 to fiddle with technology, at least when it comes to permanent assignments. Purposefully putting science on the backburner, being separated from Jack, in order to do a job that could be done by someone else. And sharing a base with McKay to boot ... It just doesn't seem right, not for what she would want and not for the best use of her skills. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Sam and I have nothing against seeing more of her on Atlantis. But as you said, I'm pretty sure that could have been another way to explain her presence there like for a specific reason.

    Jack's promotion makes more sense to me (just because they need someone with his expertise about the military dangers out there in DC, and there isn't really anyone else), but I am finding it hard to imagine that he is not seeing this as a chore.

    What we could add to this list is that Daniel wasn't allowed to go to Atlantis that first time around. I mean, if anything ever was, this. was. his. jam! It's been a long time since I've seen the series, but I distinctly remember there being a scene in the Atlantis pilot where he is trying to talk Jack into letting him go, and he just forbids it. I remember thinking why the hell not?? He's not specifically needed on earth, he's lonely, he's perfect for the job, they will need him, and he really wants to go! Clearly, they didn't want to lose him from SG-1, but still ...


    By the way I've started my rewatch yesterday. Watched the first half of the SG-1 pilot, and good grief, I remember every single line lol! I must have watched it so many times. It was the first DVD I ever bought and for some time it was the only one I had. Good times. My rewatch is going to be slow going because I don't have a lot of time, but I'll try to keep it up. Hoping for some more discussion on here.

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    I am looking forward to your notes and comments.

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    Hello! So glad people are talking about this show again or more importantly about S/J! I discovered Stargate about a year ago and have been slightly obsessed ever since. How are you handling Seasons 9 and 10? I started watching S9 and just couldn't get into it. I loved Ben Browder in Farscape but just couldn't really stomach him in Stargate. I've heard he gets better...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nefer View Post
    Hello there! I‘m joining the ranks of those who got nostalgic recently and I‘m very glad to see the discussion is still going strong here! I’ve been reading fanfics on and off in the past years, but I’ve actually forgotten what a happy place this show and this ship are for me. I just started reading Sally Malcolm‘s Honor-books (my first fandemoniums), and maybe I’ll even start a rewatch as soon as I have access to my DVDs again. But I have to say, I am surprised how this stuff is burned into my brain lol, even though it’s been over 10 years! I‘ll try to contribute to the thread from now on!
    I've heard good things about the Honor books. How are you liking them? Right now I'm reading Hostile Ground, the first part of the Apocalypse series, also by Malcolm. There's some really good S/J in there. Nothing overt but definitely S/J implications.

    I've started SO MANY rewatches in the past few months. I have a rewatch going with my husband and one on my own and one with my parents. I also went back in this thread and read the comments on the previous rewatches. (Lots of downtime recently!) I agree with AmFor - I'd enjoy reading others comments and notes on another rewatch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by samfalstaff View Post
    I loved Ben Browder in Farscape but just couldn't really stomach him in Stargate. I've heard he gets better...
    As far as I remember I really liked him as an actor and a character (hadn't seen Farscape then). I always thought he could have played Jack O'Neill in a parallel universe, and if Jack wasn't in the picture I could have seen myself shipping Sam and Cam (sorry for this blasphemy, but this is obviously a big what if, RDA & S/J 5ever). On the other hand it kind of felt like they were trying so hard to replace Jack instead of just focussing on the existing characters more and that made it kind of weird for me. But none of that was Ben Browder’s fault. I'm excited to see how I feel about this once I've reached this point in my rewatch (whenever that will be, there a looooot of episode).

    Quote Originally Posted by samfalstaff View Post
    I've heard good things about the Honor books. How are you liking them? Right now I'm reading Hostile Ground, the first part of the Apocalypse series, also by Malcolm. There's some really good S/J in there. Nothing overt but definitely S/J implications.
    I'm about 1/4 into A Matter of Honour and I am really liking it. It feels like watching an episode. No real S/J so far, but I wasn't expecting that (I guess that's what her wonderful fanfics are for ...). The Apocalypse-series is definitely going to be next, especially after this endorsement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nefer View Post
    As far as I remember I really liked him as an actor and a character (hadn't seen Farscape then). I always thought he could have played Jack O'Neill in a parallel universe, and if Jack wasn't in the picture I could have seen myself shipping Sam and Cam (sorry for this blasphemy, but this is obviously a big what if, RDA & S/J 5ever). On the other hand it kind of felt like they were trying so hard to replace Jack instead of just focussing on the existing characters more and that made it kind of weird for me. But none of that was Ben Browder’s fault. I'm excited to see how I feel about this once I've reached this point in my rewatch (whenever that will be, there a looooot of episode).
    Yes! I got that feeling as well.

    I'm about 1/4 into A Matter of Honour and I am really liking it. It feels like watching an episode. No real S/J so far, but I wasn't expecting that (I guess that's what her wonderful fanfics are for ...). The Apocalypse-series is definitely going to be next, especially after this endorsement.
    I read somewhere (probably on here) that as time progressed the fandemonium authors were given more latitude with S/J. Still no confirmation though.

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    So, I finally started my rewatch with “Children of the Gods” and “The Enemy Within” , and I have a couple of thoughts and would be interested in yours. Sorry if this is just a do-over content wise, but better repetition than nothing I also apologise if this isn’t SUPER S/J-shipping related, but it does concern their relationship, and we always wear our super magnifying shipper goggles here, don’t we?

    So, what do you guys think about S/J first meeting and their relationship in the pilot? (I hope this doesn’t open a can of worms, but I would be interested in your opinions). You know THAT scene in the briefing room. AT has said in several interviews that she finds this scene is awful/awkward (or something negative like that) and an indication that the writers hadn’t found her voice yet (sorry, I don’t remember which interviews). Plus, there’s the scene in Moebius were they make fun of it (“who would say something like that?”) Over the years I’ve seen a lot of apologetic reactions to it.

    What do you think? Is it a good or a bad first scene together, and how do you think it impacted their relationship, if at all? And isn’t it super insubordinate for her to talk to him like this? But maybe that’s why he likes her immediately Sam actually has another early totally insubordinate moment in The Enemy Within when she says to Colonel! Kennedy: “I’m sorry, what was your point?”. Both of these feel kind of out of character with later Sam, but maybe I’m wrong about that. I will pay closer attention to how much of a goody-goody she actually is and if her sass has just slipped under my radar.


    I also have a question about another scene: Right after they first arrive on Chulak, Sam, Jack and Kawalsky have the following exchange:

    CARTER: I set up a line of claymores along that ridge at ten-meter intervals.
    O'NEILL: Sound about right, Kawalsky?
    KAWALSKY: Yeah, that'll work.

    Both Jack and Kawalsky are kind of snickering here. What do you think is going on here exactly? Are they making fun of her eagerness? I’m not sure I understand the scene. Maybe not being a native speaker has something to do with it.




    P.S. I only just took the time to read up on how the kudos system on this board works (better late than never) and I just want to apologise to anyone who has greened me in the past and I didn’t reciprocate or react. I … just didn’t get it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nefer View Post
    So, I finally started my rewatch with “Children of the Gods” and “The Enemy Within” , and I have a couple of thoughts and would be interested in yours. Sorry if this is just a do-over content wise, but better repetition than nothing I also apologise if this isn’t SUPER S/J-shipping related, but it does concern their relationship, and we always wear our super magnifying shipper goggles here, don’t we?
    Great! Can't wait to read your comments! I commented inline and am about 75% sure it worked. Hopefully the quoting isn't all wonky.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nefer View Post
    So, what do you guys think about S/J first meeting and their relationship in the pilot? (I hope this doesn’t open a can of worms, but I would be interested in your opinions). You know THAT scene in the briefing room. AT has said in several interviews that she finds this scene is awful/awkward (or something negative like that) and an indication that the writers hadn’t found her voice yet (sorry, I don’t remember which interviews). Plus, there’s the scene in Moebius were they make fun of it (“who would say something like that?”) Over the years I’ve seen a lot of apologetic reactions to it.
    Which version of COTG did you watch? There's the original one that has the elongated scene in the briefing room (and the nudity) and the edited one (with the shorter briefing room scene) that is on Amazon Prime. I agree with AT that the briefing room scene is super awkward especially when she starts talking about dolls and reproductive organs. I think overall AT didn't like the original character they had written for her. Originally they wanted her to play an officer with a chip on her shoulder about the male hegemony in the Air Force. AT put the kibosh on that pretty soon (definitely after Emancipation). So when AT talks about that briefing room scene, she might also be remembering the original character they had created for her. That said, I think some kind of out of the ordinary sparks-a-flying interaction between her and O'Neil was necessary to set up the relationship. That's why I prefer the shorter scene. You still get the sparky interaction between them, the awesome arm wrestle line, and Jack's look at the end.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nefer View Post

    What do you think? Is it a good or a bad first scene together, and how do you think it impacted their relationship, if at all? And isn’t it super insubordinate for her to talk to him like this? But maybe that’s why he likes her immediately Sam actually has another early totally insubordinate moment in The Enemy Within when she says to Colonel! Kennedy: “I’m sorry, what was your point?”. Both of these feel kind of out of character with later Sam, but maybe I’m wrong about that. I will pay closer attention to how much of a goody-goody she actually is and if her sass has just slipped under my radar.
    Oh, I definitely think Jack remembered that briefing room scene for a LONG time. The look on his face after she offers to arm wrestle him shows it all. Her statements and attitude were very insubordinate and would not fly in real life. You're right - Carter did have quite a bit of sass to her in the initial episodes. I just chalked it up to the writers' original vision of her character.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nefer View Post

    I also have a question about another scene: Right after they first arrive on Chulak, Sam, Jack and Kawalsky have the following exchange:

    CARTER: I set up a line of claymores along that ridge at ten-meter intervals.
    O'NEILL: Sound about right, Kawalsky?
    KAWALSKY: Yeah, that'll work.

    Both Jack and Kawalsky are kind of snickering here. What do you think is going on here exactly? Are they making fun of her eagerness? I’m not sure I understand the scene. Maybe not being a native speaker has something to do with it.
    When I first saw this scene, I also thought they were making fun of her eagerness. I wish I knew more about military strategy - maybe setting claymores 10 meters apart is overkill and they were laughing at that. Maybe O'Neil wanted Carter to be accepted by his men, so he deliberately made a point to Kawalsky about her competency. I'm not saying it was shippy, but O'Neil is experienced enough to know that some men might not want to serve with women. So he's pointing out her competency to Kawalsky. But I find that a bit of a stretch and agree that he's just teasing her.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nefer View Post
    P.S. I only just took the time to read up on how the kudos system on this board works (better late than never) and I just want to apologise to anyone who has greened me in the past and I didn’t reciprocate or react. I … just didn’t get it.
    I know nothing about the green system and doubt that I am eligible for bestowing green. But I would give you green if I could!

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    Soon will be that episode on TV, I have to look at it, because I remember nothing

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