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    Default Re: Using the Comunication Stones To Get Home (Ish)

    once again people, if the original body dies, THEY DIE!. if you sever the connection, you return to your body.

    you cant upload into a new body and continue your life. besides i doubt the people on board would agree to such a thing

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    if a mind is swapped with memories, then obviously that person is in that new body. a galaran memory device works via the electric signals. since the person has brain activity and that brain activity is his, the plan works.


    it's impossible if nothing changes about either hosts yet they magically are eachother.

    The stone are not designed to permanently swap consciences. In fact i believe that the stones don't even transfer any conscience. While being affected by it you lose control of your body and assumes the other one remotely. You conscience stays there in the same body, you brain is yours. Just your thoughts, commands and feelings are transfered to the other body, and vice-Versa.
    and yet they have memory. which is in the synapses. besides, the only way to effectively exchange all commands is to have the stone jammed into your brain stam.

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    Actually we don't know if the stones actually transfer your complete consciousness. It's more likely that they just connect your brain inputs and outputs to another person's body. Like creating "spines" over intergalactic distances. Yeah, this must be it.
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    Default Re: Using the Comunication Stones To Get Home (Ish)

    unless you actually know a thing or two about brains

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    Quote Originally Posted by thekillman View Post
    if a mind is swapped with memories, then obviously that person is in that new body. a galaran memory device works via the electric signals. since the person has brain activity and that brain activity is his, the plan works.


    it's impossible if nothing changes about either hosts yet they magically are eachother.



    and yet they have memory. which is in the synapses. besides, the only way to effectively exchange all commands is to have the stone jammed into your brain stam.
    I never said they did not have access to their memories. They can access anything that is on their bodies, aside from phisical reactions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike. View Post
    Actually we don't know if the stones actually transfer your complete consciousness. It's more likely that they just connect your brain inputs and outputs to another person's body. Like creating "spines" over intergalactic distances. Yeah, this must be it.
    Thats what i meant.
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    Default Re: Using the Comunication Stones To Get Home (Ish)

    again do you have ANY idea how brains work? if the consciousness is transferred, or even is in remote control of the other body, there's gonna be an electric field to detect and use. and that's what the Galaran device does. it reads electric fields and uses those to access memories. therefore it works.

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    again do you have ANY idea how brains work?
    Actually I do. I studied this. The question is - do you, especially after those last statements. If we were to go by what's real then the stones wouldn't work (using a complete transfer) and neither would the Galaran device if according to you it only uses the electrical fields (to work, the Galaran device has to read the physical structure of the brain and make physical changes in the people who receive those memories).

    Let's go into detail about how the electrical activity actually occurs - as a byproduct of cell metabolism an electrical charge builds up on the inside of the membrane and on the outside - more precisely ions with opposing charges (negative and positive) - only one type on each side of the cell membrane. Brain cells specifically target this. At some point the buildup of these ions allows an electrical discharge to occur. This travels along the membrane from the cell body along the axon to the endings. This is more of a chemical process and it's much slower than the speed of light through proper conductors like iron. Think of dominoes on both sides of a piece of glass, like dominoes on a mirror. When the discharge reaches the endings special chemicals are released (called neurotransmitters) that chemically relay the message to the dendrites of the next neuron in line. The electrical activity is not a good way to access any permanently stored info, it only represents what's happening right now, what processes are in use - and I guarantee it - your full memory will never be sent at the same time to allow for a snapshot of this activity to be accurate in the sense of copying a person's consciousness. I just doesn't happen. Also permanent information is stored chemically and structurally and cannot be copied just by using the electrical activity at an arbitrary point in time. It really can't be done.
    Secondly a lot of who you are is influenced by the manner you process the information, not just the info because every brain is physically unique. You might be cold blooded killer if your frontal lobe is damaged even if you had the happiest of childhoods.

    An analogy: basically a Dollhouse style "we wipe your brain and store someone else's and you become that person" is complete bs. The show later redeemed itself by showing that the wiped state cannot be removed, is always there and will impact what the imprinted active does, and is unique from person to person. And it's shouldn't be just Echo - it should be everyone.

    The stones could never transfer someone's complete consciousness. The maximum they could do is relay the sensory information from the body to someone very far - and that someone sends the motor commands. This is even reflected in the show - if people are disconnected they don't remain in the swapped bodies - they simply loose the ability to control the others remotely and stop seeing what those are seeing. The stones don't put them back because they don't need to.
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    Default Re: Using the Comunication Stones To Get Home (Ish)

    long term memory is stored chemically, yes. and the stones are BS i said that already. the only way to properly work would be to attach the stones to your brain stem, where about all nerve connections go, and it's the connection point of brain to the rest of the body.


    also yes the galaran device uses electric fields. how it precisely gets memories is unknown, but we know it can make you either relive them or experience other memories via electric fields, which far as i know is in the real of possible technologies.

    it's possible it also injects chemicals or so, but we don't know that.

    on the other hand, from a show's perspective, it's completely possible

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