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    Default Re: Environmental Suits.....forgotten?

    I think a better question for the environmental suits, is why they havn't been used to explore the ship....

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    Quote Originally Posted by beafly View Post
    I think a better question for the environmental suits, is why they havn't been used to explore the ship....
    They will explore the Destiny probably at the same rate that they explored Atlantis *cough*. But yes, the environmental suits would be perfect for that, or rescue missions, etc.

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    Honestly why didn't they bring the Keno. When Eli used it the night lit up and it looked like a video game and he could clearly see all the flying slugs.

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    HUH? They would still give off heat in the enviromental suits, probably even more due to the life support machinery. That's basic thermodynamics. The aliens would of still known they were there.

    And in case you missed my previous post, I will post this part again: I used to work for ILC/Dover, the company that makes the soft goods part of the Apollo and Shuttle program space suits.
    These are space suits created by the ancients they most likely don't give away any heat or anything at all. Everything is most likely recycled some how.

    I haven't seen anyone post that they thought the illness came from the jungle planet. It was very plainly stated in the episode that it was from the planet they visited in "Water." The OP thought the suits would give some physical protection against the aliens.
    There was another thread similar to mine which also of course got moved where some people pointed out that indeed they did not get sick from the planet, even though the commenter had not written that they did to avoid that I put it in

    I also don't think the aliens wouldn't have attacked just because they didn't know what the crew in suits were. They've almost certainly never seen a human before, and they attacked the Destiny crew without hesitation. Also, Ann_Ominous has some good explanations about the suits not shielding heat signatures, etc. They were made to let people work in a vacuum, not be stealthy.
    No they wouldn't have attacked the suits because the aliens are most likely not self thinking and understanding animals like humans but just primitive like insects or birds or what ever and to fly against something that gives away no heat or anything at full speed is equally as smart as to fly full speed into a rock and serves no purpose and the flying things would have most likely avoided the suits just as they avoid rocks

    And that is why they should have worn the suits

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    Yes, the suits were made by the ancients and definately more advanced than ours in some ways (smaller life support unit and more air), but they still would not of been heat invisible. They weren't stealth suits, as someone else pointed out. They sure tore easily as compared to space shuttle suits (don't think they had 5 layers).

    And even if they did hide the heat and made the people look like rocks, they would of ceased to look like rocks the minute they started moving. They wouldn't of looked like trees moving in the wind either, but big moving pillars of rock. Those aggressive creatures would of attacked anything that moved, even a moving rock.

    Your logic is flawed throughout. And as others have pointed out, they only had one working suit, at most 3 if they had gotten the other two repaired. But for all we know they could of taken the one suit down the third time when they got the creatures in the nest in order to avoid breathing the sulfur. That is the one and only one thing the enviromental suit would of been good for.

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    We've seen what the Asgard can do with these suits, so hopefully the crew will be able to beef them up in the future.

    Also, if they were to use them for physical armor, why would they need to use the working one? Armor doesn't have to be spaceworthy. After a few million years, I'd bet the most prevalent issues with them would be the seams not being airtight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Transwarp View Post
    We've seen what the Asgard can do with these suits, so hopefully the crew will be able to beef them up in the future.

    Also, if they were to use them for physical armor, why would they need to use the working one? Armor doesn't have to be spaceworthy. After a few million years, I'd bet the most prevalent issues with them would be the seams not being airtight.
    If we are to believe that the Pegasus Asgard had indeed refitted Ancient suits, they made some HEAVY modifications. The shield generators, for one. Remember after the shields on the one suit went down and a couple shots was all it took to punch through?

    Seriously, there's nothing to say that these suits have any sort of heat-dampening properties. Saying "ooh, but the Ancients built them!" isn't a valid argument. The Ancients built them, why can't they withstand gunfire or tectonic stress? Hell, the Ancients built them, why can't they fly and breathe fire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Hurin View Post
    Seriously, there's nothing to say that these suits have any sort of heat-dampening properties. Saying "ooh, but the Ancients built them!" isn't a valid argument. The Ancients built them, why can't they withstand gunfire or tectonic stress? Hell, the Ancients built them, why can't they fly and breathe fire?
    I have to agree, esp. since saying that the Ancients did something, it doesn't have to be explained, or that everyone just assumes that its' going to kick ass.

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    And these were old Ancient suits, made way before the latest and greatest models.

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    I'll agree with the posters who say the suits would have been mostly useless. There was only one working suit. Those squid made short work of kevlar, I don't think the suit would have fared much better. It also limits movement which would be counter productive against what turned out to be pretty quick squid that can come from everywhere including dropping out of the trees.

    Their plan wasn't very good but considering the time constraint and the equipment thy actually had to work with, I don't think that there was logically much else they could do especially just going off the intel they had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beafly View Post
    I think a better question for the environmental suits, is why they havn't been used to explore the ship....
    We saw them using them to fix the ship in Earth. Also, after what happened to Riley perhaps one of them is damaged as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ann_Ominous View Post
    Yes, the suits were made by the ancients and definately more advanced than ours in some ways (smaller life support unit and more air), but they still would not of been heat invisible. They weren't stealth suits, as someone else pointed out. They sure tore easily as compared to space shuttle suits (don't think they had 5 layers).

    And even if they did hide the heat and made the people look like rocks, they would of ceased to look like rocks the minute they started moving. They wouldn't of looked like trees moving in the wind either, but big moving pillars of rock. Those aggressive creatures would of attacked anything that moved, even a moving rock.

    Your logic is flawed throughout. And as others have pointed out, they only had one working suit, at most 3 if they had gotten the other two repaired. But for all we know they could of taken the one suit down the third time when they got the creatures in the nest in order to avoid breathing the sulfur. That is the one and only one thing the enviromental suit would of been good for.
    Your opinion is very nice but of course it is your logic that is flawed.

    The suits most likely absorb any excess heat and convert it into power, and of course any smells are also converted.

    And again I don't think the creatures would have touched them, and you can think what ever you want.

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    Default Re: Environmental Suits.....forgotten?

    Also, you can't stay very long or the gate would be malfunctioning and you would be stuck forever and sooner or later the suit will damage under the alien attack. You could last maybe a week at most.

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