I am wondering what people’s opinions are on Telford and the two scientists disconnecting the stones when it looked like the Destiny was going to explode due to attempting to dial the gate while the ship was in the star? I can understand them not wanting to die on the ship but given that it was their fault should they have stayed and attempted to fix the problem? Young seemed pretty p***** with Telford saying something like “you turned tail and ran”. So do people think he did the right thing?
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As much as I want to dislike them for turning tail and run, the guy at the briefing was right--there's no reason to have 3 more people die."A society grows great when old men plant trees, the shade of which they know they will never sit in. Good people do things for other people. That's it, the end." -- Penelope Wilton in Ricky Gervais's After Life
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Originally posted by DigiFluid View PostAs much as I want to dislike them for turning tail and run, the guy at the briefing was right--there's no reason to have 3 more people die.I'VE GONE WIKI-MAD!!!!
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He possibly could have stuck around longer to try to show some leadership skills, but there was no reason for him to die needlessly."First Weir, then Samantha Carter, and now, you! It's a pity you humans die or get reassigned so easily, or I might have a sense of satisfaction now!"
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Originally posted by godcity View PostI think that the Destiny crew has lost any respect they had for Telford and will ignore him from now on.
I agree it looked cowardly but I admit it was probably the right thing to doIf you're wondering how he eats & breathes, and other science facts...(la! la! la!)
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Originally posted by Lightning Ducj View PostThey can't....at least those on the ship that are military. You don't simple ignore a Colonel because you don't like him
I agree it looked cowardly but I admit it was probably the right thing to do
I also still think that those orders were coming from the President/ IOA and O'Neill was reluctant on them. He doesn't seem to hold Telford in high regard.
The "captain" goes down with the ship. That's not just a symbolic gesture; it's a sign of respect to the ship and crew. Telford wanted to be on Destiny so damn bad, let him die there. The scientists, not so much, but their reputations would likely have been in tatters when they returned anyway.
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A real leader...a person that has taken command will follow his troops into the battlefield he directs them to.
By Telford leaving...and giving up he has confirmed despite what his orders were, despite that dying there would have been pointless, he proved he was not interested in being their leader, but being the commander.
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You know I have a big problem with saying Telford is a coward. He is in the end a US Airforce Colonel....if anything should be proof that he isn't it's that. So it isn't cowardice that made him leave. Having said that he is quite cold, logical and calculating and naturally since he had an out human insticnt would tell him to get out. However he would have also determine that there was no sense him dying with everyone else. Afterall as young said earlier in the episode, most likely whoever is connected to the bodies on erths side would most likely die too. so whatever way you cut it, if telford and the other two had stayed then 3 extra people would be dead needlessly. In the end he made the logical call.....albeit pretty cold and heartless but near as I can figure he doesn't exactly have a special attachment to anyone on that ship.Please do me a huge favour and help me be with the love of my life.
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Originally posted by P-90_177 View PostYou know I have a big problem with saying Telford is a coward. He is in the end a US Airforce Colonel....if anything should be proof that he isn't it's that."A society grows great when old men plant trees, the shade of which they know they will never sit in. Good people do things for other people. That's it, the end." -- Penelope Wilton in Ricky Gervais's After Life
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Originally posted by DigiFluid View PostI agree with everything else you've said, but I take (minor) issue with this. Just because someone's in the military doesn't automatically make them heroic. Neither does rank; "failing upward" applies just as much in the military as it does in the private working world.Please do me a huge favour and help me be with the love of my life.
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Originally posted by P-90_177 View Posti didn't say heroic. i merely said not cowardly. and i agree you can fail upwards in the military or get promoted for just pencil pushing but telford doesn't strike me as that kind of officer. i think he's most likely a great soldier.....just a bad leader of men.
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Originally posted by EllieVee View PostWell, it is a bit 'Icarus is where we put the screw ups', though. Young's appalling and Telford's not much better. I realise there can only be one Jack O'Neill but sheesh, they couldn't ask the Asgard for some clones?
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