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    I was waiting for a remark from Young, that never came.
    It was to tell people that to be chosen to go in the shuttle is not so much luckier than to stay in Destiny, since they don't know if the planet is inhabitable... So "winning" at this lottery is not necessary lucky..

    Also, the idea for this escape was to take refuge in a new planet. As human instincts dictate, the goal would eventually be to populate the planet, after they secure themselves. So wouldn't it be more logical to set a 50/50 proportion of male/female to go on the shuttle? (imagine that Chance only took males from the box, TJ would have been the only female! oh dear...)

    Do you think Wray was right to suggest that Young individually choose people, based on their skills, to increase the chance of survival?

    Anyway, it's funny that the "lucky" 17 people, are all characters that we've already seen play a more or less important role in the series, and not some people we've never seen in close-up before, like some extra, taken in the crowd...
    I would have liked that Fate had chosen some actor/extra whom we haven't been introduced to yet.
    We see there the limits of a tv show and real life...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arga View Post
    I was waiting for a remark from Young, that never came.
    It was to tell people that to be chosen to go in the shuttle is not so much luckier than to stay in Destiny, since they don't know if the planet is inhabitable... So "winning" at this lottery is not necessary lucky..

    Also, the idea for this escape was to take refuge in a new planet. As human instincts dictate, the goal would eventually be to populate the planet, after they secure themselves. So wouldn't it be more logical to set a 50/50 proportion of male/female to go on the shuttle? (imagine that Chance only took males from the box, TJ would have been the only female! oh dear...)

    Do you think Wray was right to suggest that Young individually choose people, based on their skills, to increase the chance of survival?

    Anyway, it's funny that the "lucky" 17 people, are all characters that we've already seen play a more or less important role in the series, and not some people we've never seen in close-up before, like some extra, taken in the crowd...
    I would have liked that Fate had chosen some actor/extra whom we haven't been introduced to yet.
    We see there the limits of a tv show and real life...
    I'm not sure Young wanted the responsibility of choosing the people who would survive, Wray only wanted Young to fix the lottery or choose the people outright as she wanted him to pick her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IcarusAbides View Post
    I'm not sure Young wanted the responsibility of choosing the people who would survive, Wray only wanted Young to fix the lottery or choose the people outright as she wanted him to pick her.
    That's not true. She honestly thought the crew would be better off if they fixed it to ensure their best odds of survival... and given who went, he may well have despite what he told Rush.
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    I was amused that in about 10 minutes the 'survivors vs doomed' completely reversed sides
    If you're wondering how he eats & breathes, and other science facts...(la! la! la!)
    Then repeat to yourself its just a show, I should really just relax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arga View Post
    ape was to take refuge in a new planet. As human instincts dictate, the goal would eventually be to populate the planet
    No, you don't repopulate a planet with 15 people and it's very unlikely many of them, no matter what skill set, would survive whatever the planet's version of 'winter' would be. This was just a chance to live maybe another day and get a chance to go down fighting.
    If you're wondering how he eats & breathes, and other science facts...(la! la! la!)
    Then repeat to yourself its just a show, I should really just relax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lightning Ducj View Post
    ... and it's very unlikely many of them, no matter what skill set, would survive whatever the planet's version of 'winter' would be. This was just a chance to live maybe another day and get a chance to go down fighting.
    At the time of the lottery, no one knew the planet was a rock. There was only Rush's speculation that it should be 'moderate'. It could have turned out to be somewhat like Earth, in which case they could have lived long and prosper.

    Of course, it could have also been worse than what they encountered. Fact stands, there was a chance they'd be able to live just fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arga View Post
    Anyway, it's funny that the "lucky" 17 people, are all characters that we've already seen play a more or less important role in the series, and not some people we've never seen in close-up before, like some extra, taken in the crowd...
    Not true. There were some unfamiliar faces and names, who hadn't been introduced before that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egle01 View Post
    Not true. There were some unfamiliar faces and names, who hadn't been introduced before that.

    Like the first Airman
    If you're wondering how he eats & breathes, and other science facts...(la! la! la!)
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    I had a feeling it would all be ok... i couldn't see the series being based on 17 people who are living on a random planet without a stargate lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lightning Ducj View Post
    Like the first Airman
    Huh? Becker was the one who worked in the mess. I meant there was a doctor. Unfamiliar names were David Walters and Boone. And they didn't count all the 15 on screen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slurredspeech View Post
    At the time of the lottery, no one knew the planet was a rock. There was only Rush's speculation that it should be 'moderate'. It could have turned out to be somewhat like Earth, in which case they could have lived long and prosper.

    Of course, it could have also been worse then what they encountered. Fact stands, there was a chance they'd be able to live just fine.
    No, humans do not survive 'just fine' in isolated groups like that. "Gilligan's Island" was fantasy after all. We're too adapted too and dependent on our social and technological infrastructure. Some very few can and some can last longer than most, but for the most part, they could land on Hawaii and few would survive anyway. And with the slim chance of Greer, I don't see that any of the characters identified so far would have both the training and/or experience and mental toughness to do it.
    If you're wondering how he eats & breathes, and other science facts...(la! la! la!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Egle01 View Post
    Huh? Becker was the one who worked in the mess. I meant there was a doctor. Unfamiliar names were David Walters and Boone. And they didn't count all the 15 on screen.
    Sorry, didn't really recognize him.

    There's the "A" players (Rush, Young, Chloe, etc...), The "B" players (Riley? Becker?, Wray so far?) and The "Rest" and I don't recognize all the B players from the Rest yet
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lightning Ducj View Post
    No, humans do not survive 'just fine' in isolated groups like that. "Gilligan's Island" was fantasy after all. We're too adapted too and dependent on our social and technological infrastructure. Some very few can and some can last longer than most, but for the most part, they could land on Hawaii and few would survive anyway. And with the slim chance of Greer, I don't see that any of the characters identified so far would have both the training and/or experience and mental toughness to do it.
    Okay, first of all, you were arguing they wouldn't survive because of the climate and that they weren't doing them a favor by sending them off; I was responding accordingly.

    Secondly. Had the planet been Earth-like, perhaps there would have been people already living there?

    Dude. I don't know. Don't particularly care either, to be honest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by s09119 View Post
    That's not true. She honestly thought the crew would be better off if they fixed it to ensure their best odds of survival... and given who went, he may well have despite what he told Rush.
    After the episode i was unsure as to whether he had fixed it or not but i just couldn't see him leaving eli behind if he had fixed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IcarusAbides View Post
    After the episode i was unsure as to whether he had fixed it or not but i just couldn't see him leaving eli behind if he had fixed it.
    I meant fixed as in "sending people helpful to survive" as "fixed." Eli would be a detriment to the colony, if anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slurredspeech View Post
    Okay, first of all, you were arguing they wouldn't survive because of the climate
    No, I was arguing that they wouldn't survive, period.

    and that they weren't doing them a favor by sending them off; I was responding accordingly.
    It's a favor to let them live a little longer and maybe have a better grasp on how they die. On the plant, if I find food I live and if I don't I die so every day my life is my own. Granted, I think eventually you lose that battle but at least it's better than dying on the Destiny in a few hours with no recourse.

    However, I think in such a scenario, the chance of long term survival for even the majority of the party is so remote that thoughts of populating the planet from the given group is useless no matter who you send

    Secondly. Had the planet been Earth-like, perhaps there would have been people already living there?
    In which case, who you send especially doesn't matter.
    If you're wondering how he eats & breathes, and other science facts...(la! la! la!)
    Then repeat to yourself its just a show, I should really just relax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lightning Ducj View Post
    No, you don't repopulate a planet with 15 people and it's very unlikely many of them, no matter what skill set, would survive whatever the planet's version of 'winter' would be. This was just a chance to live maybe another day and get a chance to go down fighting.
    oh, when I wrote "repopulate the planet", it was more like establishing a camp, start families, farming, and let the course of nature do the rest, if the conditions are favorable.. And I think it would have been hard if there was a very disproportion of male & female, with tension arrising... Well even if it was equally distributed, I bet some male would remain single while one other male would get at least 3 wives

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arga View Post
    Do you think Wray was right to suggest that Young individually choose people, based on their skills, to increase the chance of survival?
    .

    After having a lot more time to think about it i am thinking she was right..

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    They didn't show everyone who was picked for the shuttle, so later they can have some extra who we've barely or never seen before say they were on the shuttle.
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    I just don't understand why anybody would think their goal would be to repopulate the planet? Let's face it, it wasn't exactly the Mayflower( whose goal was to establish a whole new society), rather the goal was to have a little better chance of surviving a little longer. Why would they even consider having babies, stretching presumably thin resources even further?

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