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    Default Should Young have handled things differently?

    As opposed to hand picking the most skilled people that give the shuttle group the best chance for survival?

    I'm torn on it myself. I would lean towards hand picking the best crew to get the job done. Maybe a line in the middle, hand pick 12 and make a lottery of 5, or something along those lines.

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    You think he should have taken Rush's advice and "fixed" the lottery? Or just forget the lottery and give the order?

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    I was thinking more "give the order" as whats her name(i'm bad with names) suggest early on.

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    Young is the polar opposite of Rush in this regard. He is all about honor and integrity. So he acted within the bounds of his personality. He made the logical choices about the pilot and medic and left everything up to fate. I think it would have broken his character if it happened any other way.

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    I think Young did what was the most fair in the situation he was given. I think he should have picked a few more people that could have helped them survive. At least one scientist with the knowledge necessary to help them long term. Maybe a few more soldiers to help with thir survival training. Granted, they got scientists and soldiers anyway, but it might not have gone down like that with the lottery. I would say pick 5, lottery 12.

    Honestly though, he did what he felt was fair. Can't fault him for that.

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    Default Re: Should Young have handled things differently?

    I think Young handled things correctly, he played it fair.

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    Default Re: Should Young have handled things differently?

    Half Lottery and half hand picked imo.

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    I would have probably gone 5 hand picked, 10 lottery. They had two soldiers, one being a medic, then probably one more soldier, and a couple of scientists. The rest is up to luck.

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    I don't consider it fair. The amount of survivors guilt that lottery could've wrought is immense. While I enjoy his personality and strength, it still struck me as a decision more based in emotional/physical exhaustion than some sense of fairness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Radahldo View Post
    I don't consider it fair. The amount of survivors guilt that lottery could've wrought is immense. While I enjoy his personality and strength, it still struck me as a decision more based in emotional/physical exhaustion than some sense of fairness.
    Which is why I feel that Young and Rush need to have co-leadership. Young will always do the fair thing. Rush will do the logical thing.

    You also have to admit the fact that, sometimes, there is no right answer.

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    Luck yes, but it should be a narrowed pool, like no one over 40 and no non-reproductive age females. It should also have been 8 females, 7 males to maximize fertility.

    There is no hope of rescue from Earth on that planet, so long-term survival depends on establishing a breeding population. It would be difficult to maximize genetic diversity in the growing colony, but you could probably make a long term population from such a small group.

    After all, based on genetic analysis, many geneticists believe that sometime in early human history, some natural disaster (probably the Toba supervolcano) decimated the human population, to the point where there were only thought to be a few hundred reproductive females remaining in the entire world, and from that number today's diversity has developed.
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    logically, i can't agree with his lotto. to maximize survival you need skills, experience and knowledge. scott and TJ were obvious choices. someone else with survival skills, then people with other knowledge, scientists that could make stuff. and yes, a good male/female ratio.
    really, you need one male for every 3-5 females i think.

    course, that ratio is hard with the crew that they have, which is largely male.

    things worked out, but really, for genetic survival they'd need all 80ish people. minimum sustainable genetic diversity is 40ish i think. so 80 would be good, especially since the gender divide is about 50/50 or 60/40

    of course, the other key to genetic survival is, monogamy is a thing of the past. every woman should have a child by as many different men as she physically can. then half brothers and half sisters can't reproduce together.

    romance and love would be a thing of the past and genetic diversity the main goal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Replicator Todd View Post
    I think Young handled things correctly, he played it fair.
    85 people on the destiny and if he had hand picked them all he proabaly would have ended up with senator armstrong

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    Col. Young should handle things differently yes.

    He should choose 7 males & 8 females for human survival. Young and healthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Descended View Post
    Luck yes, but it should be a narrowed pool, like no one over 40 and no non-reproductive age females. It should also have been 8 females, 7 males to maximize fertility.

    There is no hope of rescue from Earth on that planet, so long-term survival depends on establishing a breeding population. It would be difficult to maximize genetic diversity in the growing colony, but you could probably make a long term population from such a small group.

    After all, based on genetic analysis, many geneticists believe that sometime in early human history, some natural disaster (probably the Toba supervolcano) decimated the human population, to the point where there were only thought to be a few hundred reproductive females remaining in the entire world, and from that number today's diversity has developed.
    I was thinking the same thing.

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    I think Young wasn't thinking about genetic diversity and long, long, long-term survival, for some reason. If he did and decided to go through with the lotto anyway, it speaks volumes of his character. He didn't want to be the guy to choose, and he wanted all the wrong people on the Destiny to get a chance, and not just let them burn up in the star because they don't have the right skills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbtkbt View Post
    Col. Young should handle things differently yes.

    He should choose 7 males & 8 females for human survival. Young and healthy.
    and what if half of those 15 people didn't have any training in survival

    would have been tough

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffKnight View Post
    Young is the polar opposite of Rush in this regard. He is all about honor and integrity. So he acted within the bounds of his personality. He made the logical choices about the pilot and medic and left everything up to fate. I think it would have broken his character if it happened any other way.
    Agreed. A leader of military folk knows he is expected to make the picks, but when civilians come into the equation, it is best to leave it to chance. And i loved how Chamile, started to argue, and when Young said he was going to pull her sheet out, she immediatly stopped and groveled. Teaches her to ignore the head guy!

    I don't consider it fair. The amount of survivors guilt that lottery could've wrought is immense. While I enjoy his personality and strength, it still struck me as a decision more based in emotional/physical exhaustion than some sense of fairness.
    True. Humans have always delt with survivor guilt, and some have even killed themselves over it.

    You also have to admit the fact that, sometimes, there is no right answer.
    True dat.

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    I don't really think 17 people in any combination make up a diverse enough genetic pool anyways. Isn't the number around 200 or 500? They didn't take into account hetero and homosexuals so I doubt they were thinking long term. (They had at least one homosexual) Or if people could have kids or not or if they had a genetic disease that would prevent them from having healthy kids and other criteria for long term survival.
    Last edited by Franklyn Blaze; October 23rd, 2009 at 09:55 PM.

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    In that situation sexual preference wouldn't come into it, all females would need to have offspring with as many different males as possible. (gay or not)

    The survival training is fine, but none of them really had the necessary skills set needed. This isn't basic survival, this would be creation of agriculture and food procurement from scratch. They may not have the diversity to create a stable population, but with luck they could have survived for many generations before succumbing to genetic disease (possibly long enough for a rescue from Earth (given how quickly we are advancing in technology). Of course, there may be environmental factors which could increase the diversity of the population (i.e. higher than Earth standard levels of ionizing radiation) by increasing mutation rates. That would decrease the population bottleneck but would have problems with cancers and other diseases.

    Young was basically passing the buck and not planning for survival. Harsh realities call for harsh measures. He was basically sending them there to die slowly.

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