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    Stargate Do you think Rush knew?

    While I am sure he had some idea churning in his head about how the ship got more power - even ZPMs would have been depleted by now, and he knows that ship predates that technology by many thousands of years if not longer - I am not sure if he was 100% sure. Seriously, I think we are ignoring that Rush is a much deeper character than he so far has presented. He is extremely intelligent, emotionally handicapped, socially unstable in a manner that would make Rodney look absolutely normal, but yet, I feel there is something more to him. While he has been "right" quite often, I think they are setting him up to be the anti-Carter/anti-Rodney. No matter what, when one of those two suggested something in SG1/SGA we went with it. Here, we aren't so easy to trust Rush, and someday that may really bite us in the ass. I think that is the way TPTB want it.

    So IMHO, I think that, yeah he had an inkling that something would happen to save their lives, but on the other hand, I don't think he was willing to bet every single one of their lives on one of his wild and crazy ideas (again).

    Of course, I could be wrong and he could just be a sadist who wanted to see the others put through the proverbial wringer and possibly hoping that some of the crazier nut jobs (like the IOA woman) would be "lost", but that would mean his character is less deep than I know him to be.

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    Default Re: Do you think Rush knew?

    He seemed genuinely surprised by the fact that they werent vaporized

    It was in the scene where he looked at his watch, realized they shouldve been dead by now, went to the observation deck, saw how close they were to the sun, realized the destiny was doing this on purpose and that they would live, then stared laughing in joy
    Then Eli asked him why he was happy and he explained it

    So i dont think he knew before hand

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    Default Re: Do you think Rush knew?

    Yeah, I think he knew. the question is, why did he put them through that?

    I'd bet he was hoping that Young would go as well, leaving the command of the Destiny to himself. As he stated, the Destiny was his destiny. It's the same reason why he dialed the ship in the first place.

    I don't think he knew when the power was failing, but I think that after they decided to use the shuttle, he must have guessed that the ship was going to draw energy, which is why he went to his room to just read a book rather than doing something else. His excitement didn't seem very authentic to me. It seemed more like he was excited that he was right, rather than incorrect. It did seem like he was expecting it from the moment he went out to look at the star (he didn't really seem surprised).
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    Default Re: Do you think Rush knew?

    Honestly,

    I don't really think he knew. He suggested that Young fix the lottery to send the people that he thought would be best able to help the group's long term survival. Which means that would remove the people who could help his 'surviving' group's long term survival if he did know they were going to survive.

    I believe he had an idea they might survive, but he didn't know for sure. I think he was hoping the ship would survive the whole time but wasn't planning on it. I could be wrong, but its just my opinion.

    Maybe we'll see in later episodes if he knew or not, or maybe not. That's one of the great things about the show is its giving us alot of information about the ship and the ancients, but isn't "Clear cutting" it with the characters and is letting us draw our own conclusions. I like that.

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    Default Re: Do you think Rush knew?

    Honestly, if he said that it just looked like they were going to fly into the star, but were really just going to skim it to refuel, would any of the others have believed him?

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    Default Re: Do you think Rush knew?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ltcolshepjumper View Post
    Yeah, I think he knew. the question is, why did he put them through that?

    I'd bet he was hoping that Young would go as well, leaving the command of the Destiny to himself. As he stated, the Destiny was his destiny. It's the same reason why he dialed the ship in the first place.
    That's an interesting theory, and I kinda agree. At the time I thought he looked genuinely shocked and happy to be alive, but looking back it could easily be that he was feeling the same way about being right, as well as happy to be alive.

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    Default Re: Do you think Rush knew?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ltcolshepjumper View Post
    Yeah, I think he knew. the question is, why did he put them through that?

    I'd bet he was hoping that Young would go as well, leaving the command of the Destiny to himself. As he stated, the Destiny was his destiny. It's the same reason why he dialed the ship in the first place.

    I don't think he knew when the power was failing, but I think that after they decided to use the shuttle, he must have guessed that the ship was going to draw energy, which is why he went to his room to just read a book rather than doing something else. His excitement didn't seem very authentic to me. It seemed more like he was excited that he was right, rather than incorrect. It did seem like he was expecting it from the moment he went out to look at the star (he didn't really seem surprised).
    There are two options here.

    1. He wanted them off the ship so that he could do what he wanted
    2. He let them go just in case, sparring everyone hope crush.

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    Default Re: Do you think Rush knew?

    It is obvious that he didn't know, he wasn't faking the reaction to seeing that they were still alive, because when he entered the room, Eli and Chloe were behind him, he didn't see them, so why fake the excitement and laughing.

    I think he was hoping that something would save them, but he was planning for the worst. Otherwise he would never have let them take those supplies and the ships only working shuttle. They were within a hairsbreadth of losing them when that shuttle couldn't match velocity.

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    Default Re: Do you think Rush knew?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cecil Brax View Post
    Honestly,

    I don't really think he knew. He suggested that Young fix the lottery to send the people that he thought would be best able to help the group's long term survival. Which means that would remove the people who could help his 'surviving' group's long term survival if he did know they were going to survive.
    Actually, he was encouraging Young to send Greer, who fought with Rush in the desert.

    If he did know ahead of time that they would survive, then this was one opportunity to get rid of Greer.
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    Default Re: Do you think Rush knew?

    If he really knew, then I would admit I was fooled. He seemed genuinely shocked and pleased. I think the final scene reflect his extreme pessimism which makes him seem like a dick. Honestly, he is right. They are back where they started since they still have no control over the ship.

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    Default Re: Do you think Rush knew?

    Oh yes, I truly do believe he knew. Especially when Eli showed them the Destiny with the Kino.

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    Default Re: Do you think Rush knew?

    Quote Originally Posted by Specter177 View Post
    Honestly, if he said that it just looked like they were going to fly into the star, but were really just going to skim it to refuel, would any of the others have believed him?
    Maybe Eli? Yeah, there'd have been a major tiff over that decision and we'd have the whole "why should we trust you, you got us stranded here in the first place" argument all over again. Which is why I said I think TPTB are setting him up to be an anti-Carter/anti-Rodney. No matter what, someone will always question his decisions and motives.

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    Default Re: Do you think Rush knew?

    The only genuine emotion I got from Rush was when Eli showed him Destiny.

    This isn't the first time Rush has been stingy on the facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Replicator Todd View Post
    Oh yes, I truly do believe he knew. Especially when Eli showed them the Destiny with the Kino.
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    Default Re: Do you think Rush knew?

    Na I dont think so either, He looked genuinly surprised imo.

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    Default Re: Do you think Rush knew?

    theres no way he knew. he was nervous just like the rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnonyMoose View Post
    Actually, he was encouraging Young to send Greer, who fought with Rush in the desert.

    If he did know ahead of time that they would survive, then this was one opportunity to get rid of Greer.
    Yep,

    I thought about this and I figured someone would bring it up too. He told Young to fix the lottery, not to specifically send Greer. He also said that everyone will think he has fixed it anyway so why not send who he wants to.

    Sure he could have known, and could have been trying to get him to send Greer, but if he really planned to have Greer gone I would think he might have been a little more direct. Its only speculation.

    Now, the real question is, if he knew they were going to survive why wouldn't he sabotage the shuttle to keep it? They have one working shuttle and who knows what they might need it for. That's a valuable piece of technology to just let fly away.

    Then later, he was trying to save the shuttle. Sure to get supplies back maybe, but why would he care if he "Knew all along" he obviously thought they could do without those supplies or he would have just told them "Hey I think the ship is going to survive" if the supplies were so critical they couldn't survive without them.

    Anyway, that's just my take on it. There are more factors, in my opinion, pointing towards him not knowing for sure (But maybe suspecting) them him knowing outright the ship would survive.

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    Fool me once shame on you.
    Fool me twice shame on me.

    I can't trust Rush.

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    Default Re: Do you think Rush knew?

    im starting to think this is going to be more drama based like battlestar galactica...(witch is what i was afraid of) but it will be nice to see a twist latter on that was perfectly plotted out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cecil Brax View Post
    Yep,

    I thought about this and I figured someone would bring it up too. He told Young to fix the lottery, not to specifically send Greer. He also said that everyone will think he has fixed it anyway so why not send who he wants to.

    Sure he could have known, and could have been trying to get him to send Greer, but if he really planned to have Greer gone I would think he might have been a little more direct. Its only speculation.

    Now, the real question is, if he knew they were going to survive why wouldn't he sabotage the shuttle to keep it? They have one working shuttle and who knows what they might need it for. That's a valuable piece of technology to just let fly away.

    Then later, he was trying to save the shuttle. Sure to get supplies back maybe, but why would he care if he "Knew all along" he obviously thought they could do without those supplies or he would have just told them "Hey I think the ship is going to survive" if the supplies were so critical they couldn't survive without them.

    Anyway, that's just my take on it. There are more factors, in my opinion, pointing towards him not knowing for sure (But maybe suspecting) them him knowing outright the ship would survive.

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    Rush doesn't strike me a TRUE manipulator...more like a scavenger...and opportunist. He didn't press not just because he wasn't completely but because he takes what he's given.

    IF Rush wasn't in at least some expectation why is he pissed at the end of the episode? Why would he show it? He's not a True manipulator...he'll take what he's given....

    I get the sense that Rush would have like 17 less people on board.

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