Why didn't the Hammond use it's Asgard beam weapons to take out the three Ha'taks? Why would the crew just let the Ha'taks demolish the Icarus Base?
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It just wasn't dealt with in Air.
Like the guys above have said there are two likely culprits, either the Plasma beam weapons were knocked offline in the initial attack or they weren't yet installed on the Hammond, apparently Joe Malozzi has said Air takes place shortly after the Atlantis finale, since it wasn't finished then and ready to engage the Wraith it's likely it still wasn't in a completely finished state, you know basic essentials for field work.
We still haven't been told exactly how they're produced or whether Earth has a matter converter outside of Odyssey so maybe they just don't the tech available on Earth with Odyssey being away on it's secret mission during Enemy At The Gate, although it did seem quite easy for Sam to modify Odyssey's transporters in Unending, so perhaps it's a case of the specs or whatever is needed to provide a template to construct them just wasn't available, not sure of a definitive reason TBH that's about all I can think of right now.
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Originally posted by RepliVeggie View PostThe ship wasn't finished. It didn't even have the shields our other ships have obviously. No Ha'tak not even Anubis' advanced ship could dent the shields.
As for the shields taking damage like that, bear in mind Hammond was ambushed, probably took initial damage before she got her shields up, she probably also had to hold position between the Hatak and the planet in order to 1). Shoot down attacking gliders and 2). Run interference in order to soak up some of the enemies weapons fire in order to protect Icarus base. This would require them to essentially sit there instead of taking evasive action.
It's also worth noting that a 304 has gone up against 3 Hatak before (Off the Grid) with similar results, in fact Odyssey took damage a lot sooner then Hammond.
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the hammond stood there for six minutes after getting hit by the premitive attack, and the numerous gliders, which in my book is a partal win. just wish the hatack fleet had been bigger and they stated a reason for not using the APBW.time doesn't go in a linear path like everyone thinks, time is a ball of timey wimey wibbly wobblely uh....
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The Hammond definitely had Asgard shields, as halfway through the attack Sam reported "Our shields are holding". As for the beam weapons... If it's true that this is just after Enemy at the Gate, then the Hammond could have reasonably been pressed into service without them; the Odyssey might still be on that mysterious "top secret mission", and the Daedalus/Apollo/Sun Tzu might still be undergoing repairs. The Hammond's not going far, and it's only taking a few civilians to a secret base nobody knows about; all it needs is a basic interstellar hyperdrive (rather than the faster intergalactic drives). Worst case scenario the shields only have to hold out long enough for it to scurry back to Earth and the umbrella of the Atlantis drones. It's not like anybody's going to be blowing up planets...
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Originally posted by RepliVeggie View PostI dunno if those were the Asgard shields. If they were then even 6 hours of Ha'tak fire wouldn't damage the shields. Those shields can take Wraith hive fire without much trouble. Ha'tak ships are about the least advance war ships in the SG Universe (pun not intended at first)
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Originally posted by RepliVeggie View PostThe ship wasn't finished. It didn't even have the shields our other ships have obviously. No Ha'tak not even Anubis' advanced ship could dent the shields.Originally posted by RepliVeggie View PostI dunno if those were the Asgard shields. If they were then even 6 hours of Ha'tak fire wouldn't damage the shields. Those shields can take Wraith hive fire without much trouble. Ha'tak ships are about the least advance war ships in the SG Universe (pun not intended at first)
For comparison in 'The Last Man' the Phoenix e.g. Hammond was virtually crippled by 3 Hives in less than a minute and half with only sporadic fire from each ship. So knowing this we can say that Hives have roughly 8'ish times the firepower of a Ha'tak which is probably about right.
Also remember our ships are all underpowered anyway so its perfectly feasible for 3 Ha'taks to heavily damage a 304 in 10-12 minutes.
The beams probably weren't installed yet as the initial attack from the Ha'taks didn't appear to be doing anything to the Hammond.Last edited by Buba uognarf; 04 October 2009, 09:05 AM.Robert Jastrow (self-proclaimed agnostic): "For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries."
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Well the beams were probably not installed, because there is no other reason why they weren't used. If the Ha'taks were closer to the planet than the Hammond, then it would make sense that they weren't used. Because a shot hitting the planet could cause the same event the Staff Canons did.
As for the shields, they are probably the Asgard shield on the other vessels. They were holding for most of the time without any damage to the ship. There were no sparks on the brigde and there was no damage to the exterior of the ships.
I though it was very strange that the Hammond only fired it's railguns once on a glider. They could have fired it constantly at the Ha'taks gliderbays.
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As stated, 304s can soak up the damage, but not forever. In Allies, the Daedalus hung in a firefight with 2 Hiveships for about I'd say 10 or so minutes, granted she took initial damage but I'm assuming her shields weren't initially damaged given how long they held to begin with. In Last Man, Phoenix stood toe to toe with 3 Hiveships for probably half that time. In Off the Grid, Odyssey took nearly 10% damage in the opening seconds of the battle. To the best of my knowledge, I cannot recall a single episode where we've held in a battle for longer then 20 minutes (Be All My Sins... may be an exception?).
I also refer to my earlier point about the Hammond most likely needing to sit in a stationary position (or near enough) between the enemy and the planet.~*+*~nEvEr ArGuE WiTh aN iDiOt - ThEy WiLL jUsT dRaG yOu DoWn To ThEiR LeVeL aNd BeAt YoU WiTh ExPeRiEnCe~*+*~
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Originally posted by Azriel View PostAs stated, 304s can soak up the damage, but not forever. In Allies, the Daedalus hung in a firefight with 2 Hiveships for about I'd say 10 or so minutes, granted she took initial damage but I'm assuming her shields weren't initially damaged given how long they held to begin with. In Last Man, Phoenix stood toe to toe with 3 Hiveships for probably half that time. In Off the Grid, Odyssey took nearly 10% damage in the opening seconds of the battle. To the best of my knowledge, I cannot recall a single episode where we've held in a battle for longer then 20 minutes (Be All My Sins... may be an exception?).
I also refer to my earlier point about the Hammond most likely needing to sit in a stationary position (or near enough) between the enemy and the planet.
I haven't actually timed Allies but in 'The Last Man' the Phoenix lasted about 1 min 20 seconds before she crashed and was largely disabled in the first volly.
The battle in BAMSR was very short, Rodney even made a comment on the plan not taking more than a minute.
Basically the 10+ minutes the Hammond lasted against 3 enemy ships was infact pretty good.Robert Jastrow (self-proclaimed agnostic): "For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries."
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