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    Visit the Episode GuideHEROES SEASON FOUR
    JUMP, PUSH, FALL
    EPISODE NUMBER - 402

    Hiro meets a mysterious carnival man 14 years in the past, and is prompted to change history. Noah calls on Peter to help pursue a lead from Danko, and runs afoul of a knife-wielding speedster from the carnival. Matt Parkman is confronted by a piece of Sylar in his mind, and Claire is stunned when someone close to her appears to have been murdered.

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    Because "Orientation" and "Jump, Push, Fall" first aired together,
    please use this thread to talk about only the second hour of the Season Four premiere.
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    Really enoyed the second episode, compared to the first.

    >The super speed fight between Edgar and Peter, was really cool.
    >Really liked the Bennett/Tracy stuff, i think they'll work well together.
    >Sylar in side Matt's head worked out better than i though it would.

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    Not a bad episode.
    Does Peter have his power back? Did Suresh help? Really doesn't matter, I like the new super fast guy. Nice fight scene with him and Peter. Any one know where Suresh is?

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    Did anyone else get a Head Six/Head Baltar feel from the Sylar/Parkman scenes.

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    Sylar in Parkman's head is going to be so great to watch this season. He will definitely bring out the worst in Matt.

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    We still don't know for sure if that water boy actually did anything. Just one of those mysteries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madwelshboy View Post
    Really enoyed the second episode, compared to the first.

    >The super speed fight between Edgar and Peter, was really cool.
    >Really liked the Bennett/Tracy stuff, i think they'll work well together.
    >Sylar in side Matt's head worked out better than i though it would.
    I couldn't really tell where one episode ended and the other began, but for the first time in a long time I really enjoyed the show. I thought the first couple of episodes seemed to recapture some of the magic. The only story line that kind of annoyed me was the Hiro story. Are we really going to do this silly time travel stuff again, and he's dying? Really? Come on!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pipi View Post
    We still don't know for sure if that water boy actually did anything. Just one of those mysteries.
    as soon as i saw him i thought theres definetely something going on with him and janice

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    Quote Originally Posted by dosed150 View Post
    as soon as i saw him i thought theres definetely something going on with him and janice
    I got that impression to. spent ages, trying to work out where i'd seen the actor before. It wasnt untill Matt did his telepathy theing that i realised he was in charmed.

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    “Heroes” has certainly seen better days. Once a ratings powerhouse, the fourth season premiere averages about 6 million viewers. To put this in perspective, the series premiere of “The Vampire Diaries” achieved better ratings. With a start like this, the producers might want to plan for a potential series finale at the end of the season.

    Episodes like this one don’t help particularly much. Unlike past seasons, where the launch of a new “Heroes” volume was a heralded event, I suspect the doubling-up of episodes was more of an overall scheduling concern. There certainly didn’t seem to be much of a reason for these two episodes to be aired at the same time. This particular hour was mostly standard fare, following up on a few items from the premiere with little fanfare.

    As with the first hour, the most interesting subplot concerns Samuel’s carnie folk and whatever motivations they might have for their activities. As with so many previous villains, Samuel seems to have a long past with elements of the “Heroes” world, just waiting to be revealed. If the writers tie this into the already-strained continuity of the Twelve again, it will be a fatal mistake. Moving on means letting go of the patterns of the past.

    Already, though, we have Samuel interacting with Hiro roughly fourteen years in the past, and presumably altering something vital in the “present” pertaining to these compasses and whatever endgame might be in mind. It plays Hiro as something of a fool again, which I dislike to no end. I do not want Hiro running around through time righting supposed wrongs. The timeline has been adjusted enough already!

    Claire’s college adventure was made a bit more interesting by the death of her initial roommate and the character of Gretchen. Gretchen has the kind of unusual socialization issues that make for a well-represented geek, and it doesn’t hurt that she has a semi-goth appreciation for the morbid. She’s well-designed as a potential confidante for Claire, so it only remains to be seen if and how the writers will manage to botch that up.

    It’s clear that the writers took a great deal of pleasure in the scenes between Matt and Sylar. They were very well done, and one could tell that Zachery Quinto appreciated the chance to play. This could have been little more than an excuse to keep Quinto busy enough to justify keeping him until his inevitable return in full later in the season, but it works as a story element for now. It will likely serve as the catalyst for driving Matt back to the Company.

    As far as the Company is concerned, I find it hard to believe that Noah and Tracy would already have something of a comfortable relationship within hours of her attempt to kill him. It’s true that Noah is trying to turn over a new leaf, but one would assume he would have to do more than tell the truth once to be trusted. Peter’s involvement was nice, as it provided some insight into his current abilities and mindset, but once again, they push too hard to tell us he’s redeeming himself, rather than just showing it.

    The main problem with the episode is that it just seemed to be missing much of a spark. The fight scene with Peter and the knife-wielding carnie was not done well at all (perhaps justifying all the times that the writers have whiffed on every major battle they’ve ever promised). There was too much of what we’ve seen a dozen times before. There seemed to be a distinct lack of inspiration in the total product. And perhaps worst of all, it still feels like the writers are trying to figure out where they want to go, which is not a good sign this early in the season.

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    did peter trade all his powers for the super speed/reflexes or did he just add it to a repository?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndgenerationalteran View Post
    did peter trade all his powers for the super speed/reflexes or did he just add it to a repository?
    that is the question. As of now seems he is still a one power guy but i think its unlikely for that to last just like no other weakness in heroes lasts very long either. Hero and peter both got there powers back and have been on the road to full strength since then. I expect its just a matter of time now and peter will be standing toe to toe with Sylar again. Again.
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    What is with the painting? Can't someone find a better storytelling than painting? That got tiring in season 2.

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    at least it was on a hot blonde. too bad the show is PG...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pipi View Post
    at least it was on a hot blonde. too bad the show is PG...
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    The premier was solid. I'm just hoping vol.5 will be better than 2-4.

    The Ray Park fight scene with Peter was one of my favorite parts.

    Every single second of Claire is still annoying as hell though. If they just got rid of her for a while the show would be a lot better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flameling View Post
    Not a bad episode.
    Does Peter have his power back? Did Suresh help? Really doesn't matter, I like the new super fast guy. Nice fight scene with him and Peter. Any one know where Suresh is?

    I would say it's still one power at a time by touch, and what he meant by suresh helping was that he was using his power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HPMom View Post
    I couldn't really tell where one episode ended and the other began, but for the first time in a long time I really enjoyed the show. I thought the first couple of episodes seemed to recapture some of the magic. The only story line that kind of annoyed me was the Hiro story. Are we really going to do this silly time travel stuff again, and he's dying? Really? Come on!
    idk, for what i've read, Hiro's story arc for this season sounds like it'll be pretty interesting...i'm just glad they're actually giving him something to do this season because he was pretty useless for most of last season...

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    Hiro's storyline sounds promising indeed. As of what I've read

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    Hiro tries to undo the mistakes in his past, and he wants to save Charlie from season 1. To save her, he kills Sylar before the homecoming game, and that majorly screws with the timeline...
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    Claire's roommate that went splat was on Days of Our Lives. Then I realised waterboy was on DOOL for a sort time this summer. That was just too weird for me!

    Fight between Peter and "Quicksilver" was cool. I think Nathan having Sylar motions could be interesting and the Sylar in Matt's head.

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