Moebius, Part 2 (820)

[hey! is that a ninja up there?]

I thought it was utterly awful. No excitement, no tension, no big finalé, 2 hours built up to give us absolutely nothing. I feel really let down.

Where was the rebellion? Where was the teams plan to hold the gate? Where was Ra fleeing?

Just.....nothing. A real shame.

[AlphaBlu]

...the worst ever season ender.

Clearly you've never watched 'Out of Mind', the Season 2 ender. That was a clips show, which, I believe, is a CRIMINAL way of ending a season.

BYE

[AlphaBlu]

Mobius was really cool, lots of fun, and I enjoyed it just as much as the first one all the way through. Then we went back to 'real' SG-1 timeline, and things went from good to...

WTF mate???

Seriously. I've never been confused by the end of a Stargate episode, but this one left me confused. Like 'end-of-an-episode-of-Carnivale' confused. I'm just filled with questions:

1. Did Threads happen?
2. Is Jacob dead?
3. Packing? Packing for what - to move in with Pete? To move in with Jack? Packing to go to Atlantis?

So, I say again:

WTF mate???

I'm completely confused.

BYE

[tarnsman]

I thought it was utterly awful. No excitement, no tension, no big finalé, 2 hours built up to give us absolutely nothing. I feel really let down.

Where was the rebellion? Where was the teams plan to hold the gate? Where was Ra fleeing?

Just.....nothing. A real shame.

I sat there waiting for something exciting to happen...none of the ooomph of previous season finale's...

Spoiler:

Apart from Daniel getting killed!! how many times has Daniel died now???

Ninja, u are so right, what happened to all those great storylines they could have included...but as I said in one of the other posts recently, i felt threads was the end of the season, and the the end of Moebius proved that

[Fox McCloud]

Ack

The end of Moebius was right at the end of Threads

Dont you understand

5000yrs ago rebellion
9 yrs ago mission to abydos
1day ago, a zpm is uncovered in egypt along with tape
they go fishing

They dont have to go back in time because its already been done. Its not one of those paradoxs where theyve been back in time therefore they have to go back in time too. Its a Moebius.

Things turned out for the best. They said this at teh end. They dont need to go back in time because its already done.

And they arnt really Alternate Universe, its Alternate Future Past.
Its my belief that the Ancient Time Jumper travels back in time in the same universe, it doesnt cross into another Universe like the Quantum Mirror.

This is evident in Window of Oppertunity, 1969, Before i Sleep and now Moebius.

Stargate Time Travel is different to normal star trek time travel or whatever.

In before i sleep, wier went back in time and got the failsafe activated. Therfore when the team arrives, the city rises. But you would normally think that if hte team arrives safe and sound, how could she go back to activate failsafe.

Stargate time travel overrides itself as it happens. Instead of loops happpening (not WoO loops) things just play out.

The SG1 at the end are the Real SG1.
The SG1 in Egypt are also the Real SG1.
The Alternate Fture SG1 in egypt are Alternate SG1.

The Real End SG1 dont have to go back in time to become Past SG1 because its already been done. The story continues.

In Siege, Everett said "Archaeologists found a ZPM in Egypt, was right under our noses" which coincideds with the end of Moebius. He didnt say "SG1 went back in time and sorted things out" They didnt have to sort things out.

SG1 made the rebellion.
Arch dug up ZPM in future.

seuoihsed[oiu

[talyn2k5]

A good two-parter but the ending was very disapointing - or rather the lack of action before the ending.
I was sitting there ten minutes from the end of the episode wondering how they were going to fit in the rebellion, stealing the gate, and showing us that everything has gone back to normal - all in ten minutes.
Simple answer: they didn't.
Rather then spending the end of the episode giving the s/j shippers a treat, they could've shown us why they have a massive fx budget. This is how I would've liked to see the episode play out:
A nice wide shot of Ra's ship with the rebel Egyptians running up to it with staff blasts being exchanged between them and the Jaffa outside the ship.
Ra's ship lifts off just as the PJ uncloaks next to the gate. Teal'c and Daniel run out and hook up the gate to the PJ just as Ra's ship hovers overhead ready to take it. They fly off with the gate, Ra flies off emptyhanded with his tail between his legs and the Egyptians celebrate very loudly while waving their staff weapons about.
Fast forward to where it picked up with our SG-1 watching the video and carry on to the end.
I agree with tarnsman that that is the perfect end to the season, with the team socialising outside of work which we have only seen a few rare times, its just a shame that they lost some of this episode's action potential in order to pull it off.

[hey! is that a ninja up there?]

I agree with you completely. They also could have done one of those 'fast forward' effects, briefly recapping all the major moments in SG:1's history to show that everything had turned out how it did originally. Would have been a nicer way to end things

[david2708]

It's all just confirmation that season eight has been garbage.

[Buzz Lightyear]

They dont have to go back in time because its already been done. Its not one of those paradoxs where theyve been back in time therefore they have to go back in time too. Its a Moebius.

And they arnt really Alternate Universe, its Alternate Future Past.
Its my belief that the Ancient Time Jumper travels back in time in the same universe, it doesnt cross into another Universe like the Quantum Mirror.

This is evident in Window of Oppertunity, 1969, Before i Sleep and now Moebius.

Stargate Time Travel is different to normal star trek time travel or whatever.

Spoiler for Atlantis 1x15

Spoiler:

In before i sleep, wier went back in time and got the failsafe activated. Therfore when the team arrives, the city rises. But you would normally think that if hte team arrives safe and sound, how could she go back to activate failsafe.

Stargate time travel overrides itself as it happens. Instead of loops happpening (not WoO loops) things just play out.

Very elegantly put. Nice and succinct.

[Fox McCloud]

I make sense to myself

[hermajesty]

and as far as the fish thing goes, to me it makes sense. Jack says close enough with a little smile on his face. To me he's trying to keep face in front of Sam, Daniel and Teal'c. In Threads he admits the truth as it's plainly obvious. However after watching the tape he thinks to himself "I don't want to seem stupid with no fish in my pond. i can do better then that" so he gets some fish and puts them in his pond, hence the smile and the line. he's kind of proud that he got fish put in his pond.

I like this explanation - this is what i will believe untill season 9 comes

Also, someone (sorry, can't find the quote again) said that perhaps Daniel was the one who wrote the writing on the stones found by the gate that he translated in Stargate the movie. Well. maybe he designed the writing specifically so that he would be the only one who could read it - therefore ensuring that his future self got a place on the stargate program.

Overall, I liked this 5 episode arc.

Spoiler:

We didn't have a huge season end battle, but i think that was dealt with well in reckoning, and threads gave a kind of closure on the Jack/ Sam story line. I'm not a shipper, but i do think its pretty clear that they're gonna end up together.

Moebius gave us a chance to look back over the last 8 years (happily not as a boring flashback episode) and to get some great jokes.

According to my interpretation, 5000 years ago a Daniel, and an alternate Jack, Sam and Teal'c sparked a rebellion. Then they buried the stargate, and buried a video tape and ZPM. But then what? They still have the 'gate ship', so why would they stay in Egypt for their whole lives? They could go anywhere. They could go to the future to check it turned out right, and meet the team we saw at the very end of Moebius fishing. Or they could go to any other time at all. So much fanfic potential...

[Chaka's_Mum]

And they arnt really Alternate Universe, its Alternate Future Past.

If we start talking about time-travelling grammar, I think we need to call in Dr Dan Streetmentioner. Right Now.
Please excuse the totally irrelevant Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy reference there - I just think it needed to be said

I just sat back and enjoyed this ep. After the climactic stuff that we got in Reckoning and Threads, it was nice to have a bit of comedy, a bit of drama and to get Peter Williams and Jay Acovone back for a bit. Apophis may have appalling dress-sense, but he was always a cracking baddie. Okay, so there were all sorts of screwy things going on with timelines - but hey, why not? The only thing I'm grumping about right now is the fact that there won't be a new episode on Sky next week to look forward to...

Oh, by the way, was it just me, or is AT's bump starting to show? If it was - Cool! If it wasn't - that was one heck of a bulky cardigan!

[Fox McCloud]

Maybe in S9 they meet themselves ?

[DetriusXii]

Anyways, thinking about the 2 parter now when the original timeline was changed and we ended up with no SGC, wouldn't an explanation of how to protect earth been included in the video tape?

Step 1: Go to Cimmeria and contact the Asgard
Step 2: Tell Thor that Replicators can be defeated with the help of an Asgard mothership (and probably their cloning problem)
Step 3: Visit one of the two locations with an Ancient Library of Knowledge and download it
Step 4: Go in statis, design the Replicator gun & solve the Asgard reproduction problem
Step 5: Then go about exploring other planets. Asgard motherships will be protecting us from any such threats from Apophis & any other Go'uld.

To me, with the destruction of the original timeline, saving the Asgard would seem to be the #1 scenario and getting the job done quicker would keep the asgard stronger so they could protect us better. Seems those three gate addresses should have been a priority.

[lordvader]

I wanted to see a lot more Ra, of all the system lords, his getup is the coolest (and the biggest!).

Wish there weren't fish in that pond, unless it was a joke to annoy all those continuity nuts ...