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Hello guys. Theres so much info here that I cant find a simple answer to my question...
Is the original team from seasons 1-8 dead? Afterall they moved back in time... Jack, Sam and Teal'c died in failed uprising and Daniel died of age.
So from now on I'll be watching a team from another timeline... Isn't that right?
Or.. maybe from the beginning of the "Moebius, Part 1" We were watching AU team? And the original one is the one with ZPM and fishes in the pond? (as a proof for that I think of medallion that Daniel was given at the funeral, isn't he suppose to have it already?)
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Being another time travel episode, of course I had to look up the theories behind this. I can't tell if this need to understand every detail is just innocent curiosity or a subconscious desire to punish myself for not knowing something - because at this point every time travel episode makes me want to tear my hair out if I dwell on it for too long - but I am glad to see the opinions on it already posted here.
I'd like to believe that the team we saw at the very beginning of the two-parter was from an alternate reality (and timeline, since I don't think there's a difference, which I already talked about to death in the thread for Before I Sleep), and the team at the end, ZPM in hand and fishing at Jack's cabin was the team we've been following since the beginning.
Otherwise, "our" team is dead, and that's kind of sucky.
So, do we see three universes in these two episodes? AU SG-1 that goes back in time (creating another universe), "SG-1" that never formed who also go back in time, creating another universe, which turns out to be the universe in which "our" SG-1 already have the ZPM, watched the tape, and decided not to go back in time?
But then there's the team in Threads who end up at Jack's cabin with no fish.
Bah.
...I'm just going to move on to the Seige.
Originally posted by Nevi View PostHello guys. Theres so much info here that I cant find a simple answer to my question...
Is the original team from seasons 1-8 dead? Afterall they moved back in time... Jack, Sam and Teal'c died in failed uprising and Daniel died of age.
So from now on I'll be watching a team from another timeline... Isn't that right?
Or.. maybe from the beginning of the "Moebius, Part 1" We were watching AU team? And the original one is the one with ZPM and fishes in the pond? (as a proof for that I think of medallion that Daniel was given at the funeral, isn't he suppose to have it already?)Last edited by Janet Fraiser; 21 August 2015, 01:53 PM.
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the problem is that writers usually don't bother with theories of alternate timelines, realities etc. They just do what is convenient to them so they do time travel stories where various alternate timelines are happening in the same universe or , if that is what they need, alternate timelies which happen in alternate universes!!
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Originally posted by pakar View Postthe problem is that writers usually don't bother with theories of alternate timelines, realities etc. They just do what is convenient to them so they do time travel stories where various alternate timelines are happening in the same universe or , if that is what they need, alternate timelies which happen in alternate universes!!
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Haven't seen S08 finale in a while. Love all the differences in the ''messed-up'' timeline:
- I can't take Apophis seriously with this beard, makes me laugh every time.
- Same goes for Major Davis, his mustache is glorious.
- Jack' sarcasm in response to Sam & Daniel trying to convince him to join the team is just too funny.
- Daniel dies again, never gets old.
- Lemon chicken is Rodney's favorite meal.
I think Moebius time travel episodes are quite easy to follow, but maybe I'm just spoiled after seeing countless complicated time-travel movies. Overall one of my fav seasons finale.Spoiler:I don’t want to be human. I want to see gamma rays, I want to hear X-rays, and I want to smell dark matter. Do you see the absurdity of what I am? I can’t even express these things properly, because I have to—I have to conceptualize complex ideas in this stupid, limiting spoken language, but I know I want to reach out with something other than these prehensile paws, and feel the solar wind of a supernova flowing over me. I’m a machine, and I can know much more.
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- I can't take Apophis seriously with this beard, makes me laugh every time.
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A few plot holes:
a) on 3rd timeline, they expect me to believe that a self glowing light like a zpm would traverse 3000 years (especially the last century with all the pillage) without anyone trying to get it, should it be just for reading at night? And that a camera obviously recognizable in the 50s too? I mean, we are assuming that was all in Katrine's posession, given the 1st episode start. She was really not curious.
b) the 1st timeship survived 3000 years of the 2nd timeline, ok. So when the dorky sg1 goes back, there is 2 timeship there in the 3rd timeline- one presumably under goul'd surveilance, the other ultimately still usable. Now, they want us to believe the dorky sg1 and old 1st Daniel will not go back to the future (at least another planet or in some non-clashing time to avoid contanimation) to live a secure comfortable life?
c) and since there are 2 timeships which survived 3000 years on the 3rd timeline, why didn't the tape indicated where these are along with the zpm?
I didn't like these 2 episodes, really.
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Originally posted by donald85 View Posta) on 3rd timeline, they expect me to believe that a self glowing light like a zpm would traverse 3000 years (especially the last century with all the pillage) without anyone trying to get it, should it be just for reading at night? And that a camera obviously recognizable in the 50s too? I mean, we are assuming that was all in Katrine's posession, given the 1st episode start. She was really not curious.
JACKSON: Well, I know a way we can get the Z.P.M. back to our time even if we don't. About a month before we left, there was an archaeological dig that uncovered a first dynasty tomb near Giza. All we have to do is bury the Z.P.M. in that tomb, let them find it, and maybe our future selves won't have to take on this mission!
Catherine's estate put them on the track to find the ZPM because it contained a drawing of a ZPM that was copied from a destroyed Ancient Egyptian wall painting, but in no timeline did her boxes ever contain the ZPM or camera.
b) the 1st timeship survived 3000 years of the 2nd timeline, ok. So when the dorky sg1 goes back, there is 2 timeship there in the 3rd timeline- one presumably under goul'd surveilance, the other ultimately still usable. Now, they want us to believe the dorky sg1 and old 1st Daniel will not go back to the future (at least another planet or in some non-clashing time to avoid contanimation) to live a secure comfortable life?
We actually have no idea what occurred after that. It's possible something happened to the first jumper this time around (the changes they made could have caused Ra to destroy it while leaving, just like the changes the first Sg-1 made caused him to take the gate). So if Carter couldn't fix the second one they might have been stuck in Ancient Egypt or she may have fixed it and they might indeed have taken it (or the first one). No time travel jumper has been seen since then, so their fates are up in the air.
All we know is that something must have gone wrong as both sets of Sg-1 intended to go back to the future when their missions were complete. For example, maybe they did travel back, but they ended up arriving a few years later, we just never got to see that because the show didn't last long enough (it took them 5 years to return to their android counterparts from "Tin Man").
c) and since there are 2 timeships which survived 3000 years on the 3rd timeline, why didn't the tape indicated where these are along with the zpm?
Again, though, what exactly the second group did with their lives and the jumper is intentionally left up in the air.
Originally posted by Nevi View Post(as a proof for that I think of medallion that Daniel was given at the funeral, isn't he suppose to have it already?)Last edited by Xaeden; 14 April 2019, 02:22 PM.
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The only other time you see it is in Full Circle when Daniel is trying to explain to Jack what the Eye of Ra looks like, but with him being ascended it could have just as easily been something he conjurered up.Please do me a huge favour and help me be with the love of my life.
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