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  1. #81
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    Default Re: Moebius, Part 2 (820)

    Coulda, woulda, shoulda. I know. If you don't want to hear me whine, don't read below. Fair warning.

    I waited 6 months for that?

    I was not going to post anything on Moebius Part 1 because I wanted to see if Part 2 could bring it up. Obvously I was wrong. The producers could have done so much with this episode, it is a shame it was wasted. I was expecting this to be a sort of miniseries on its own. I was really geared up to see the rebellion and Ra getting is butt kicked off Earth. I mean what stopped him from coming back and destroying everything from orbit? He had to be pretty freaked out in order not to come back. Like what was said before, seeing some of the rebellion is something that was severely missing. There was still alot of stuff left out. In my opinion this should have been like 4 episodes long or longer.

    I was really let down by this one. "The Lost City" was so much better. Hell, the Atlantis finale was leaps and bounds better than these two.

    My suggestion: For the love of the franchise don't have S9. I would much rather see 3-4 Stargate miniseries per year rather than another season if it looks like S8. (Ok, I take that back for the most part the Reckoning/Threads arc owned). This year RDA "might" still be there because of a heavily reduced film schedule. The quality would be much better because they would have more money to spend it on better effects and such.

    I know S9 won't kill the franchise, hell it might even improve, but what I am wondering is if it will even be recognizeable with all the "changes" that are supposed to take place.

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    Default Re: Moebius, Part 2 (820)

    Not the greatest SG1 Episode. However, It did have it's moments, and overall, It was good.


    I loved the fish.


    Uhm. What else?

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    Default Re: Moebius, Part 2 (820)

    Quote Originally Posted by Sha're
    And Daniel died again
    Daniel is starting to resemble Kenny from South Park.

    "Oh no! They killed Daniel!"
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    Default Re: Moebius, Part 2 (820)

    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz Lightyear
    Daniel is starting to resemble Kenny from South Park.

    "Oh no! They killed Daniel!"

    So at the end they went fishing and it was 2 weeks earlier, but my question is, is Jacob still dead? Jack said you have some packing to do and so that means she just saw her new house. At the same time in the old timeline, Jacob told her he was dying... she then visited him and stuff, but in this episode, she just went fishing... So does that mean Jacob isn't dead or dying?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeleine_W
    The more I think about it the more I have to believe that the SG-1 we saw in the last two scenes are 'our' SG-1.

    So what about the great big rebelion Daniel led at the end? People and Jaffa would have died, been injured, been in different places and led different sorts of lives as a direct result of that; and the genetic repercussions alone would mean that almost the entire world would have been peopled pretty differently by now. No way could Daniel's rebellion possibly succeed in restoring the timeline.

    So the only way that the events we saw could possibly have led to the penultimate scene is if the Rebellion that Daniel spoke of in the movie was *always* kickstarted by him and SG-1. Daniel-in-the-past was just doing what had 'always' been done by him and the Alt-Teal'c, Alt-Jack and Alt-Sam.

    That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
    Hey, best analysis/theory yet.

    I like it cuz your explanation doesn't make my head explode, unlike some of the others.
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    Default Re: Moebius, Part 2 (820)

    Quote Originally Posted by gatergirl
    If you just shut off your brain it's not too bad
    Actually, I think you hit the nail on the head. Once I forgot about trying to overthink the time travel paradox (thanks to Madeleine's analysis), I was able to clear my head, and I think I'll enjoy it more on a second viewing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by retardboy
    So at the end they went fishing and it was 2 weeks earlier, but my question is, is Jacob still dead? Jack said you have some packing to do and so that means she just saw her new house. At the same time in the old timeline, Jacob told her he was dying... she then visited him and stuff, but in this episode, she just went fishing... So does that mean Jacob isn't dead or dying?
    Best guess is that the scene in the lab occurs after Jacob's death and presumably his funeral, destruction of Anubis and dumping of Pete. His reference to her packing is in relation to going to the cabin (also possible nod to change in their 'personal circumstances'. The house Pete bought is a non-issue. We do not know how long it was between the above events and when they went fishing in Threads but I would have assumed it was probably a few days after the scene where Daniel descends in the buff. Consequently, given the events that had occurred, especially to Sam and Daniel it was an opportunity for the 4 of them to relax, recharge and get more intimate with each other (that cabin did not look like it had more than 2 bedrooms, so some 'sharing' would have occurred). Ultimately, Pete is history and Jacob is dead (unfortunately).

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    Default Re: Moebius, Part 2 (820)

    This episode sucked

    Moebius definition doesnt fit what actually happens .

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    I liked the concept of Moebius, but I feel like it was rushed and many scenes left out. I was hoping to see more action in Egypt, instead its left to our imagination.

    I had this feeling of "rushed" with the last few episodes, feels like they were trying to cram too much story content into too little time. Moebius could of easily been a 3 part story, same with Reckoning.

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    Default Re: Moebius, Part 2 (820)

    Quote Originally Posted by hibernate
    I liked the concept of Moebius, but I feel like it was rushed and many scenes left out. I was hoping to see more action in Egypt, instead its left to our imagination.

    I had this feeling of "rushed" with the last few episodes, feels like they were trying to cram too much story content into too little time. Moebius could of easily been a 3 part story, same with Reckoning.
    Moebius could have been a 3-pat story, but I like how they didn't show us. Think what the outcry would have been if they produced a poor rebellion fighting sequence that didn't meet up to anyone's expectations?

    the simple fact is that the mystery of what happened in Egypt is still a mystery. all we know now is that sg-1 were involved.
    spook

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    Default Re: End of Series Eight

    I thought it was utterly awful. No excitement, no tension, no big finalé, 2 hours built up to give us absolutely nothing. I feel really let down.

    Where was the rebellion? Where was the teams plan to hold the gate? Where was Ra fleeing?

    Just.....nothing. A real shame.

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    Default Re: Moebius, Part 2 (820)

    Quote Originally Posted by Sy~
    ...the worst ever season ender.
    Clearly you've never watched 'Out of Mind', the Season 2 ender. That was a clips show, which, I believe, is a CRIMINAL way of ending a season.

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    Default Re: Moebius, Part 2 (820)

    Mobius was really cool, lots of fun, and I enjoyed it just as much as the first one all the way through. Then we went back to 'real' SG-1 timeline, and things went from good to...

    WTF mate???

    Seriously. I've never been confused by the end of a Stargate episode, but this one left me confused. Like 'end-of-an-episode-of-Carnivale' confused. I'm just filled with questions:

    1. Did Threads happen?
    2. Is Jacob dead?
    3. Packing? Packing for what - to move in with Pete? To move in with Jack? Packing to go to Atlantis?

    So, I say again:

    WTF mate???

    I'm completely confused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hey! is that a ninja up there?
    I thought it was utterly awful. No excitement, no tension, no big finalé, 2 hours built up to give us absolutely nothing. I feel really let down.

    Where was the rebellion? Where was the teams plan to hold the gate? Where was Ra fleeing?

    Just.....nothing. A real shame.
    I sat there waiting for something exciting to happen...none of the ooomph of previous season finale's...
    Spoiler:
    Apart from Daniel getting killed!! how many times has Daniel died now???


    Ninja, u are so right, what happened to all those great storylines they could have included...but as I said in one of the other posts recently, i felt threads was the end of the season, and the the end of Moebius proved that

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    Default Re: Moebius, Part 2 (820)

    Ack

    The end of Moebius was right at the end of Threads

    Dont you understand

    5000yrs ago rebellion
    9 yrs ago mission to abydos
    1day ago, a zpm is uncovered in egypt along with tape
    they go fishing

    They dont have to go back in time because its already been done. Its not one of those paradoxs where theyve been back in time therefore they have to go back in time too. Its a Moebius.

    Things turned out for the best. They said this at teh end. They dont need to go back in time because its already done.

    And they arnt really Alternate Universe, its Alternate Future Past.
    Its my belief that the Ancient Time Jumper travels back in time in the same universe, it doesnt cross into another Universe like the Quantum Mirror.

    This is evident in Window of Oppertunity, 1969, Before i Sleep and now Moebius.

    Stargate Time Travel is different to normal star trek time travel or whatever.

    In before i sleep, wier went back in time and got the failsafe activated. Therfore when the team arrives, the city rises. But you would normally think that if hte team arrives safe and sound, how could she go back to activate failsafe.

    Stargate time travel overrides itself as it happens. Instead of loops happpening (not WoO loops) things just play out.

    The SG1 at the end are the Real SG1.
    The SG1 in Egypt are also the Real SG1.
    The Alternate Fture SG1 in egypt are Alternate SG1.

    The Real End SG1 dont have to go back in time to become Past SG1 because its already been done. The story continues.

    In Siege, Everett said "Archaeologists found a ZPM in Egypt, was right under our noses" which coincideds with the end of Moebius. He didnt say "SG1 went back in time and sorted things out" They didnt have to sort things out.

    SG1 made the rebellion.
    Arch dug up ZPM in future.

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    A good two-parter but the ending was very disapointing - or rather the lack of action before the ending.
    I was sitting there ten minutes from the end of the episode wondering how they were going to fit in the rebellion, stealing the gate, and showing us that everything has gone back to normal - all in ten minutes.
    Simple answer: they didn't.
    Rather then spending the end of the episode giving the s/j shippers a treat, they could've shown us why they have a massive fx budget. This is how I would've liked to see the episode play out:
    A nice wide shot of Ra's ship with the rebel Egyptians running up to it with staff blasts being exchanged between them and the Jaffa outside the ship.
    Ra's ship lifts off just as the PJ uncloaks next to the gate. Teal'c and Daniel run out and hook up the gate to the PJ just as Ra's ship hovers overhead ready to take it. They fly off with the gate, Ra flies off emptyhanded with his tail between his legs and the Egyptians celebrate very loudly while waving their staff weapons about.
    Fast forward to where it picked up with our SG-1 watching the video and carry on to the end.
    I agree with tarnsman that that is the perfect end to the season, with the team socialising outside of work which we have only seen a few rare times, its just a shame that they lost some of this episode's action potential in order to pull it off.

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    I agree with you completely. They also could have done one of those 'fast forward' effects, briefly recapping all the major moments in SG:1's history to show that everything had turned out how it did originally. Would have been a nicer way to end things

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    It's all just confirmation that season eight has been garbage.

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    Default Re: Moebius, Part 2 (820)

    Quote Originally Posted by Fox McCloud
    They dont have to go back in time because its already been done. Its not one of those paradoxs where theyve been back in time therefore they have to go back in time too. Its a Moebius.

    And they arnt really Alternate Universe, its Alternate Future Past.
    Its my belief that the Ancient Time Jumper travels back in time in the same universe, it doesnt cross into another Universe like the Quantum Mirror.

    This is evident in Window of Oppertunity, 1969, Before i Sleep and now Moebius.

    Stargate Time Travel is different to normal star trek time travel or whatever.

    Spoiler for Atlantis 1x15
    Spoiler:
    In before i sleep, wier went back in time and got the failsafe activated. Therfore when the team arrives, the city rises. But you would normally think that if hte team arrives safe and sound, how could she go back to activate failsafe.


    Stargate time travel overrides itself as it happens. Instead of loops happpening (not WoO loops) things just play out.
    Very elegantly put. Nice and succinct.
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    I make sense to myself
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