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  1. #61
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    Default Re: Moebius, Part 2 (820)

    Quote Originally Posted by UlsterBob
    So there's now three puddlejumpers, three SG1 teams.... errr... doesn't bear thinking about....
    Arent they all the same Puddle jumper?

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    Default Re: A Wrinkle In Time

    Quote Originally Posted by Madeleine_W
    Where the whole thing came from though, since in the end 'our' timeline is as it is without any of them recalling any of this, is just... a wrinkle in time. Just a funny little bubble of weirdness that floated into our continuum, threatened to bugger stuff up until a beautiful moebius loop righted everything, and then floated away leaving everything unchanged but for the fortuitous appearance of a ZPM.

    That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

    I agree. I think we are all forgeting Moebius is a trip that has been turned 180o and if traveled would mean traveling both sideas and returning to your start point.

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    very good enjoyed all the what may of been stuf but felt a bit let down

    glad it is not the last stargate ever otherwise i would of been v dissapointed

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    Question Re: Moebius, Part 2 (820)

    Heyo, brand new here, but thought I'd pipe up about the last episode of the season.

    Honestly, it didn't really do much for me. I really enjoyed the first part, loved where it was going, but this was sort of a let down. Especially since the ending seemed so...easy.

    It was the type of time-travel logic that seemed almost silly, and it was also kind of superficial. One Daniel gone, oh here's another one. Don't have old Teal'c, we got a new one, acts pretty much the same, nothin to worry about.

    I'm not big on the whole Jack/Sam thing, so that did nothing for me. Actually, it kind of irritated me, if only because they'd just had that conversation about Sam and Daniel, and that I thought was awesome. It would have been great if they had kept something like that, which was so unexpected, instead of giving us the same 'ol JackNSam, especially since Alt!Sam and Alt!Daniel had such obvious and great chemistry.

    It was essentially an alternate universe, so it didn't bother me too much, but come on, there's gotta be at least ONE universe where they aren't getting it on. Just for some variety (and don't give me that 'they're meant to love no matter what universe' stuff, cause that's too much sap for a show that at least TRIES to keep things scientific).

    On the whole though, I liked the first part, and some of the second, so I don't consider it a complete loss. If you just shut off your brain it's not too bad

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    Quote Originally Posted by Get Carter
    Either the time line at the end of Moebius is different but incredibly similar looking to what we know. With only those plot points mentioned in the tape (apart from the fish) having definitely happened. in which case anything else is up for grabs. Basically Janet Frasier could be alive. As could Jacob. Although I feel trying to explain that sort of thing would be even more comlicated.
    I really hate it when shows do that, please god dont let stargate become another one of them

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    Default Re: Moebius, Part 2 (820)

    Writers [after finishing off ep18]: Yeah! all bad guys are dead! we're ready for season 9!

    Producers: whah!? there's two more episodes to go!

    Writers: I thought you guys said we're doing two less episodes this season?

    Producers: Yes, goddamit! we normally do 22, now we're doing 20!

    Writer 1: 22?

    Writer 1: Dude... how many episodes did you write?

    Writer 2: Umm... dunno. Let me count my pay cheques....

    Writer 1: Well I did the one with the replicators, then there was the one with the Jaffa...

    Producers: Shut-up! Just Stop! we've done 18, we need 20!

    Writer 1: Jees... you don't need to yell. Let him come back with the pay cheques and we'll count how many we've done. Just relax, have some water.

    Producers:

    Writer 2: um... I think we might need to do a couple'o more... I know! You know those ideas we had for a few episodes for bringing back ra? lets do those.

    Writer 1: The whole arc in two eps?

    Writer 2: Yeah! why not!

    Writer 1: oh well, it's something.


    ... And thats how we ended up with Moebius

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    overall though leaves you not really knowing what to expect next season

    i mean are the Gouald gone for good or is it just licence to change anything they want next season and blame it on thetime line changes


    Causality---- i couldn't understand it in Quantum Mechanics 101

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    Default Re: Moebius, Part 2 (820)

    Personally I thought these two episodes were pretty good, especially in comparison with the rest of the season. But they weren't really a good season ender.
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    Default Re: Moebius, Part 2 (820)

    hm... the Aschen or Tollen might be back and in a very different way! (as conquerors)

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    Default Re: Moebius, Part 2 (820)

    Hmmm...

    1. Could see alt Daniel becoming a Goa'uld easily but didn't expect him to get killed off so quick.

    2. Too much time in the Alt timeline for my liking. TPTB got the pacing wrong this time out.

    3. You know my feelings on ship!

    4. There were various small nods to the movie in here - cool!

    5. They copied the scene from Threads! WTF?

    Overall, good but not great and I was looking for great - particularly as S9 could be a liability!

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    Default Get this...

    A far simpler course of action would be for the surviving AU SG1 to go back in time at the exact point when the normal SG1 team arrives. They would then tell the original team to go back where they came and the AU SG1 would steal the ZPM and bury it with the camera with the aid of the first original Daniel Jackson for the original SG1 to watch over in the future.

    (Notice something there)

    Btw, the episode was rushed and should of been a 3 parter.

    If there are timeline changes how would any body know?


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    Default Re: Moebius, Part 2 (820)

    so I am confused.....after rebellion, when they flim back to SGC, is the orignal 4 non-alt time line sg1? watching a video of themselves they made but wont ever make? what happened to the zpm

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    Default Re: Moebius, Part 2 (820)

    Quote Originally Posted by samjack4ever
    I have a question...

    If the SG1 from the new time line went back in time would Daniel from the old time line still be there?

    I mean how could he be when the Daniel from the new time line didn't go back in time in the first place...

    Did that make sense?
    temporal paradoxes at there finest.

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    Default Re: Moebius, Part 2 (820)

    so long story short//////////the sg1 we have at the end.......are they the "real" sg1? Or are they the AU versions of them ?

    I couldnt tell from the various synopsis.......either that or my add is acting up again

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    Well, I'm not going to say much about this one - apart from the fact that I absolutely adored each and every single minute of it. I just couldn't do it justice. Practically every line and moment was perfect for me. I'd be here for weeks quoting stuff that had me laughing out loud or cheering.

    The alternate SG1 were a complete laugh riot from start to finish. Almost broke a rib at A-Sam's "I wonder if my future self has a boyfriend." And the whole 'you're hot' scene had me literally crying with laughter. Especially the "I'm attracted to Daniel."

    I loved all of the little echoes back to eight seasons and the movie. Like A-Jack asking Daniel if he was sure he had the return address before they went through the gate. LOL.

    And, of course, at last, finally, a Sam and Jack got it on. Not our Sam and Jack, but, hey, who cares? Woohoo! Absolutely wonderful. Every second of it. Beautiful. And very clever of TPTB. I loved the expression on A-Jack's face when Sam was in full babble mode and he just obviously thought 'what the hell' and pounced on her. LOL.

    And then we had that revised tag at the end, echoing that in Threads.

    Boil it down to basics? This worked for me as a finale to a season and if it had been the last we'd ever seen of Stargate I'd have been a very happy bunny. It hit all the right notes for this fan of team and S/J shipper. <happy sigh>

    Wonderful. Terrific. Hilarious. Brilliant.

    In short:

    Perfect.

    Albion

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    Default Re: Moebius, Part 2 (820)

    ummm about the fish did u guys SEE the fish??¿¿¿¿ because I cant tell (my t.v. has bad quality) because if u didn’t see the fish jack could just be kidding to try to cover up the fact that there are no fish (I like it when there are no fish hehe~~)
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    Default Re: Moebius, Part 2 (820)

    Read some of the other posts now. Provoking a few more random thoughts:

    Things I'm wondering about are what Jack meant when he said to Carter in the SGC: "You've got some packing to do.", maybe she's going on the Daedalus?
    I presume he meant packing to go to the cabin and fish. That's what makes most sense to me, considering that the scene immediately after is of them fishing at the cabin.

    but all the shippers looked for was one kiss between our sam and jack. just one, maybe in the lab? AU sam and jack was nice, but still a brush off. shippers not happy
    Please – if this is your opinion as a shipper that's fine, but don't presume to speak for all of us! This shipper was very, very happy. I've never wanted a resolution to our Sam and Jack's relationship on screen, so I never looked for that kiss between them either. Using the alternates instead was the perfect solution for this shipper. Gave me some very cute S/J moments, while not spoiling the real relationship for me.

    a possible explanation for the fish in the pond is that after seeing the tape Jack decided to buy some fish to put in the pond.
    Whether there are fish in the pond or not doesn't make a blind bit of difference to me – I'm with Jack, 'Close enough' and I never got the impression that huge, major changes had been made to our timeline – quite the opposite. I think Jack's 'close enough' speaks to the fact that there hasn't been. Seem logical enough to me anyway. It's just not a big issue for me. But I like this explanation anyway. Sounds like something Jack would do. LOL.

    Not even going to get into the whole time paradoxes thing. I learned long ago that I lose the will to live shortly thereafter with this kind of plot, so I'm perfectly happy to just go with the flow and enjoy the episode as it unfurls without thinking too much. <g> I personally don't think there's any doubt that the team at the end are our SG1, the clues are there for me, so I'm happy enough to presume that all's well that end's well and we ended up more or less where we began.

    And I've just been reminded by another poster of another moment that had me ROTFLing. Daniel's bemused, "What's with the....?" as he mimics Jack's silent hand commands.


    Albion (who should go to bed now, seeing as it's 2.30 am, but has the urge to go watch this again...)
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    Re: A Wrinkle In Time

    Quote Originally Posted by Madeleine_W
    The more I think about it the more I have to believe that the SG-1 we saw in the last two scenes are 'our' SG-1.

    In the first loop they got something wrong, very slightly wrong, and it altered the timeline to a small degree - probably nothing changed between when Ra left with the gate and when the Langfords went digging in the 1920s. And then fromm the '20s there woul dhave been small changes rippling from everyone who 'should have been' involved with the Big Round Weird Artifact, until the '90s when the SGC 'should have' happenned.

    All that came from just one event - the invisible PJ being spotted.

    So what about the great big rebelion Daniel led at the end? People and Jaffa would have died, been injured, been in different places and led different sorts of lives as a direct result of that; and the genetic repercussions alone would mean that almost the entire world would have been peopled pretty differently by now. No way could Daniel's rebellion possibly succeed in restoring the timeline.

    So the only way that the events we saw could possibly have led to the penultimate scene is if the Rebellion that Daniel spoke of in the movie was *always* kickstarted by him and SG-1. Daniel-in-the-past was just doing what had 'always' been done by him and the Alt-Teal'c, Alt-Jack and Alt-Sam.

    Where the whole thing came from though, since in the end 'our' timeline is as it is without any of them recalling any of this, is just... a wrinkle in time. Just a funny little bubble of weirdness that floated into our continuum, threatened to bugger stuff up until a beautiful moebius loop righted everything, and then floated away leaving everything unchanged but for the fortuitous appearance of a ZPM.

    That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

    I might agree with you, since I tend to subscribe to the "you can't change history" approach to time travel (since your events are already accounted for), except that that doesn't seem to be the time travel approach favored by the people writing the show. They are taking the approach that you can change history. MOre, they seem to be taking the approach that you create multiverses by these actions--*and* the multiverse created remains "alive" even if you take steps to try to reverse things. That's why
    Spoiler:
    the Weir who went back 10,000 years didn't disappear the moment that the future changed, that is, Atlantis rose and no one drowned. If she didn't exist in a separate and now-fully existing timeline/multiverse, then the rising of Atlantis would have meant that she never went back in time and that would have caused the elderly Weir to not exist.


    Since that is the case, there is no way to ever arrive back at exactly the same timeline (possibly if the AU team had gone back and *stopped* the original SG-1 from ever goiing back in the first place, but that's about it). Once SG-1 went back in time, you now have their effects on the multiverse, plus the effects of the AU team, which didn't exist until the time travel, plus the effects of "our" Daniel, who stays in the past. All of this has caused yet another timeline/multiverse to split off. It looks like ours? Luck of the draw.

    And while it may look like ours, we only saw three minutes of the particular reality they are in at the end, so we don't really know if there are other differences than simply that Jack's lake now has fish (and, no, he *didn't* go out and buy any).

    After all, it *can't* be "our" team going on to a new future, when "our" Daniel, like Sam Beckett, never came home! He stayed, lived out the rest of his life and died 5,000 years ago. (BTW, did it strike you that Daniel didn't seem particularly upset about the loss of his teammates and friends?)


    I can't help but feel that it is more than a little slap at the show's fans: we got involved in the characters we've known for 8 years, and now they're gone. Just like that, with no goodbye and with no grand exit--it happens offscreen, after all. Why should we invest anything in the characters next season?


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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkQuee1
    After all, it *can't* be "our" team going on to a new future, when "our" Daniel, like Sam Beckett, never came home! He stayed, lived out the rest of his life and died 5,000 years ago. (BTW, did it strike you that Daniel didn't seem particularly upset about the loss of his teammates and friends?)
    I think it was 'our' team, exactly the same but with just two weeks missing. I really do think that everything happenned the same up to the point at which they found the ZPM in the final loop, and they still went fishing, so to me it's them. Although the people who went into the past are also and equally 'our' team. (I expect Daniel did all his Getting Upset at the loss of his team-mates a couple of years earlier, when they first died.)


    Quote Originally Posted by DarkQuee1
    I can't help but feel that it is more than a little slap at the show's fans: we got involved in the characters we've known for 8 years, and now they're gone. Just like that, with no goodbye and with no grand exit--it happens offscreen, after all. Why should we invest anything in the characters next season?
    I totally understand what you mean, which is why the fish so bothered me at first. I freely admit to 'fanwanking' over this whole thing. I'm lucky like this; I can often believe whatever I choose to believe about a plot point that bothers me. But I know that without the fanwanking I'd probably be feeling the same as you right now.

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    I liked this episode, but there was one thing that bugged me. Does anyone else think the idea of implanting a symbiote into a prisoner to gain information is an idea that should have been used before in the show? I mean, why spend days/months/etc. torturing someone when you can just implant them. For example, in season six's Abyss, Baal could have just implanted Jack to learn what he knew and saved himself some time. I guess torture just makes for better TV.

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