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    Hmm... don't get to say this often.

    As much as I loved Season 6, there hasn't been a Stargate episodet this good since Season 5. Finding faults in this episode is virtually impossible. In fact, I can only find three, and that's if I stretch it:

    1. The device was the same one as WoO, but why no "This is familiar" from Sam?
    2. Dailing all the Gates at once; the thing from WoO did that as well, so why'd we need Ba'al to do it?
    3. The UV-washed world that had a Gate on it may or may not exist.

    And truly, these are minor, minor nitpicks.

    Everything about this episode was just wonderful:

    1. Replicarter just felt like a completely different character. Hats off to AT for managing to play someone who looks the same, has the same feelings, yet is still a completely different person... I mean ... killing machine.

    2. Ba'al was great. I am so glad he's not dead.

    3. Playing up the angle that Selmak (and therefore Jacob) was finding it really difficult to work with Ba'al was a very clever thing to do. Here we have a Tok'ra, who's entire existance is based around fighting the Goa'uld, and he's been doing it for millenia, and now he's forced to work with one. It would be constantly eating him up inside.

    4. CONTINUITY!!! Lots of references to other things - Avenger, Exodus etc.

    5. Replicators in the SGC! The moment they started streaming out of the Gate my eyes shot out of my skull. I was completely not expecting that. Jack went into immediate combat mode and it did what I wasn't expecting - it put Jack back in the episode and actually made his presence worthwhile - he was doing something, something very important.

    6. Jack going back for Siler! That was awesome. Both the 'blast door' and 'will' bits were great.

    7. Daniel was very good in this episode. I loved the "No, but I'm learning!" line.

    8. The second moment that made my eyes shoot out of my head - DANIEL DIED... AGAIN! I had no idea that was coming, took me totally by surprise. And it's not like 'Oh he's dead floating around on that ship', it's 'Oh he's dead and OMG the ship he was on just decintergrated!' I mean, talk about peril. I've often said that you can't threaten a character's life this late into a shows run (7th or 8th season) and expect there to be true suspence. What you can do to create suspence is just out and out KILL people, as they did in this. And man... did it work. And it was a completely different feeling to Meridian as well. In Meridian we knew he was going the whole ep, so it was sad. In this it was BANG, you're stabbed in the chest and BOOM, the ship is destroyed.

    9. Sam and Jack trying to cope with their lack of knowledge over Daniel by not coping with it. Jack did exactly what he did in Revelations (Revelations being the ep from Season 5 that Reckoning 2 manages to match) and just shuts her down, refusing to even talk about it ('We don't know anything') and Sam cannot really start the conversation.

    10. The music. Towards the end with the shots of everyone in peril, Sam and Jack firing away. The music was just great.

    11. GIANT fleets of ships. Never before in Stargate have we seen anything like that.

    12. The best beat in the entire episode:

    *Replicator's freeze*

    CUT TO Reynolds and Jack.

    Reynolds: Hmm...
    Jack: That's odd.

    (Beat)

    They shruyg. Reynolds and Jack start firing again.

    That bit was great.

    11/10 for this episode. Best episode in a LONG LONG time.

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    Default Re: Reckoning, Part 2 (817)

    Quote Originally Posted by TheWarrior
    Here is a list of the planets gates - the 6th one did get me, I thought it was One False Step or Demons, but not sure
    Yep, it's it. Just checked. Only mirrored .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeleine_W
    They do. Light from any light source will travel in every direction unless reflected or absorbed. If you light a match in a dark room you can see the light from every direction. Stuff like torches (flashlights in american english) seem to shine in a single direction because next to the light-source is a curved reflective plate which redirects the waves that were going sideways and backwards.


    But water is a finite medium with a boundary, and the waves are caused by particle motion. The waves *do* travel in every direction until they reach a boundary such as the sea floor, air/water surface or a riverbank or coastline.


    Except that a light from a match is really many lights, one light wave would be like a laser beam, one direction. Or try putting this match behind a board with a slit in it. The light will come through in sourt of a < shape as it difracts, but it will not go in every direction.

    The same thing will happen with water waves when they go through a slit.

    The stargate is a circular slit. :|

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    Albion, that is one of the longest posts ive ever seen
    Yeah, got a tad excited. Could you tell?

    I've lost my note of who it was who posted that the replicators were all called to the planet and then stuck in the time device, but I'm going to respond to it anyway. You know who you are. <g>

    Yes, they were all trapped on the planet. That's true - then. But the replicators have been free of the time device planet for some time by the time we get to Reckoning. You don't think they'd have spread out as fast as they could by then? I don't think it's implausible that in the time since they've moved into neighbouring galaxies too.

    Agree too with the poster who noted that there are bound to be some who escaped the weapon. Just as I argued with the Tollans being totally extinct - it's very hard to wipe out an entire race right down to the last individual, no matter what method you use. There are usually always survivors, who, through sheer luck or whatever are in the right place at the right time to miss out on being killed. I believe that TPTB could bring back replicators or Tollans if they chose. For the Tollans - they had a stargate. And ships. Tollans had to be using both on a day to day basis for whatever reason - commerce maybe, visiting friends on other worlds - the Nox, whoever - a hundred reasons. Some of those Tollans could have been offworld when Tollana was attacked. Some could have been out in space travelling in ships. It wouldn't strike me at all odd that there are scattered survivors out there.

    Which doesn't mean I think the Tollans will appear again. Or the replicators for that matter. Just that if they did I wouldn't find it implausible.

    While I'm here - here are my worries about Threads, given the ending of replicators. It's bugging me now. <g>:

    Spoiler:
    Given the spoilers for Thread are correct - and of course that's never a given - Daniel spends most of the episode in a diner with Oma thinking about whether to ascend as his life hangs in the balance. Following on from the end of Reckoning II, I can see only two scenarios there that fit this. One, his physical body has been found and he's lying in the SGC, hovering on the brink of death. Or, two, he's not yet been found and no one at the SGC knows what happened to him or whether he's dead or alive. Given both scenarios, what are Sam and Jack up to while their friend lies dying in the infirmary/whoknowswhere? Well, Sam's fretting over whether Pete's really the man for her. And Jack's off making whoopee with the nice lady from the CIA. Even worse, the suggestion is that Jack and Kerry's relationship has been ongoing for a while, not started in Threads. So just how long has Daniel been dying/missing by the time Threads begins? I've tried this on from various angles and just can't make it fit in character for Jack and Sam. Or fit logically into continuity at all. So bit puzzled right now as to how they'll make it all fit together with Reckoning II. Rather interested too though to see how they do. It seems impossible to make it work to me right now, but I'll be darn happy to be pleasantly surprised by their cleverness if they manage it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by joasia
    Yep, it's it. Just checked. Only mirrored .
    Actually if you watch FIAD and watch them come through the gate they come through with stock footage from One False Step (only purple) and it changes to new footage. Just watch what they have in their hands as they come through. So it's the same gate. Has the mirrored one been used in an epi I would suspect it has but can't think off hand?
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    Default Re: Reckoning, Part 2 (817)

    was it me or did they forget about thor?

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    Default Re: Reckoning, Part 2 (817)

    The weapon was effective throught the gates network, but what about hte planets where they buried the gate (Nox, Spirits...). Do you think there is a way for some Replicators to have survived on these planets ?

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    Default Re: Reckoning, Part 2 (817)

    Quote Originally Posted by Keffler
    was it me or did they forget about thor?

    No, they dident forget, at the end Sam tells jack that theyv had contact and Thor is currently being downloaded into a new body.

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    Default Re: Reckoning, Part 2 (817)

    Quote Originally Posted by Lys
    The weapon was effective throught the gates network, but what about hte planets where they buried the gate (Nox, Spirits...). Do you think there is a way for some Replicators to have survived on these planets ?
    I dont think so, maybe if the writers want to bring them back they will write that in, but i think they all came to that one place as to stop the 1 wepon that could destroy them all, Replicarter may have new there was a slight chance she wouldent get the wepon, so made sure every replicator was trying to get to it.

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    Default Re: Reckoning, Part 2 (817)

    apologises, just rewatched it, must of missed that bit.

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    Default Re: Reckoning, Part 2 (817)

    No no, its ok, such an exciting episode you were probably still in a state of "wowedness" and dident pay attention to boring talk bits.

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    What a great episode! The special effects! Those fleets of ships firing at each other! WOW! It was exciting too! Good ep! Best of the season so far!

    I think they ended the RepliCarter threat too quickly though. The SGC finally has a formidable enemy again and only after an ep or two their dead already! Although I can see why because they want to make Anubis an enemy again. But still! I wouldve liked to see more of the Replicators.

    Oh, and Daniel dead! I know he wont stay dead but I was like, YEY! LOL! I never liked the DJ character once he came back. And Replicarter killed him T-1000 style! Sword right in the gut, how cool is that!?!?
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    Default Re: Reckoning, Part 2 (817)

    my theory is that there are some replicators still alive at planets that had an iris (therefore, the beam hopefully cant get through)...

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    Default Re: Reckoning, Part 2 (817)

    No other stargate probably have an iris, mybe some sort of shield but the energy wave got through shields on ships so likely a shield around a stargate also. If they do survive they are likely far out into space away from any planet, or on a planet without a stargate at all/or buried.

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    Default Re: Reckoning, Part 2 (817)

    Anyone else got the feeling that the whole thing was planned by Annibus? He purposely give the planet to the rebel jaffs, and then give them enough time so that sg-1 can figure out how to use the ancient weapon to kill off the replicators (Since earth has the replicators destroying data that he doesn’t have access to). If sg-1 succeeds, well, no more replicators, and then he can just use his superior forces to retake the planet and kill off all the rebel jaffs.

    Of course, it didn't quite work out the way he expected it too. (Mostly thanks to replicators showing up at the wrong time) But it did got ride off the replicators.

    And i have the feeling not all replicators are dead. Just now they reverted back to non-intelligent bug swarm state.
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    Default Re: Reckoning, Part 2 (817)

    in there pre human form, could the replicators adapt to the weapon jack developed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by corn
    in there pre human form, could the replicators adapt to the weapon jack developed?
    Nope. They seem to have gained the ability after rep-sam figured out how the weapon works.

    Although the surviving replicators might retain the ability. However, the good news is at least the bugs are not intelligent anymore.

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    I didn't like the way that they said Baal ran away. He escaped, he didn't run, and he was laughing at them when he bailed. Actually, he does that a lot, the laughing thing. I don't think Baal takes himself too seriously. It's like when Jack says that Baal's not a god, Baal's about to laugh, agree with Jack, and say 'Relic of an outmoded belief system*.'

    Best Baal moment was when he turned away from Anubis who was admiring the new body in the mirror and just rolled his eyes. I love Baal. Can we have more Baal in S9, please?


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    Ba'al is growing on me too. I can almost forgive him his wicked ways in Abyss with the torture sessions, but he almost appears to be the kinda Goauld that could help SG1 - in a Yu sorta way.

    Anyway, just getting over Reckoning II - and one thing keeps kicking me about it. Haven't had time to read through ALL the posts on this thread, so if someone's mentioned this, well tough. The only downside to this ep for me was the lack of concern everyone showed about DJ's kidnap. I thought it was just Reckoning I, but no. Hey, a few throwaway lines would have sufficed, just to know that the writers hadn't forgotten him.

    The conversation that Jack and Carter had at the end was unbelievably trivial, with the 'oh, Thor's fine, doing this, doing that,' and 'Tealc's doing this and that' and then as an afterthought they remember the 'D' word. Now quite worried about Threads and what it will hold. Jack's 'worried' look didn't do much to forshadow the storyline. Well not for me anyway. Not sure if I want an extra long ep about Jack and Carter's relationships, with one or two sentences on how/where DJ might be.

    But then, I should have faith in TPTB. They kicked [email protected]@ with the Reckonings, I'll give them that. Thouroughly enjoyable and I'm praying Threads will be worth it.

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    They couldn't do anything about Daniel's kidnapping. All they could do is what they did do. They also don't know what happened to Daniel. All they can do is speculate and I think it would be pretty dull for the viewer to have endless worry. We know they care about Daniel, we don't need to see it all the time.

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