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[kryon22]

Good thoughts!

Is there anything is Stargate canon that states that a blood test can identify someone as a Gou'ald? I was still under the impression it was only determined by CT-scan.

Nope, not specifically. As far as I remember from all the more biological/medical slanted stories, they used MRIs to physically visualize the presence of the symbiote. But MRIs are expensive and limited in deployability. Having blood samples shipped off for Western Blot or polymerase chain reaction (DNA) diagnostics, seems a more logistically sound approach. And probably better for cover stories too, i'd think.

For Area 51 to backwards engineer and refine the symbiote poison from Tok'Ra data also means that Earth's knowledge of Goa'uld physiology is impressive enough to be able to devise biochemical tests for the express purpose of detection.

[kryon22]

I don't think that it would be hard to make a good cover on people dieing.....Knowing Gou'ald they wouldn't sit around working when they could have someone worship them.

And if someone was a Gou'ald on Earth I don't think we would have any problem killing them off. It is all about keeping Earth safe.

Ok...having said that, put yourself in the host's shoes. I'm sure you would be an unwilling host. And if someone decided to pull the plug on you because you were deemed a security risk, but through no fault of your own, wouldn't you object?

As for keeping Earth safe, by sacrificing whatever morals we can lay claim to, for the "greater good," we might as well be saying that we condone all forms of warfare, including performing acts, specifically prohibited by the Geneva convention. I know in practice, morals are often the first thing to fly out the window, but we run the risk of being as bad as the Goa'uld if we ever go down that path. Even the Tok'Ra agreed to stay their hand and not use the poison initially. I suspect with the massive movement in the jaffa rebellion, they will be even less motivated to use mass dispersal means to spread the poison. They might probably develop an ingestible version of it. Who knows?

[DelTrax1]

Good thoughts!

Is there anything is Stargate canon that states that a blood test can identify someone as a Gou'ald? I was still under the impression it was only determined by CT-scan.

Once you become a host you get naqueda (bad spelling) in your blood. That is how Carter can tell if someone is a Gou'ald.

[kryon22]

Once you become a host you get naqueda (bad spelling) in your blood. That is how Carter can tell if someone is a Gou'ald.

Personally, I think the physiology is a little more complicated than that. Remember that Carter only started exhibiting the ability to use Goa'uld technology on her own because the Naquadah in her system remained there after Jolinar died and was absorbed into her system. I suspect that Naquadah, like most heavy metals tend to stay lodged in a biological system and build up. As for how it enables Goa'uld-ed hosts to use Naquadah-based technology, that one remains up in the air (although i think that if the element itself were tied into specific pathway reactions in their cellular makeup like being part of co-factors or enzyme-coupled composition it might lend an air of plausability in theories going around). We've seen evidence of this repeating itself in other former hosts (remember Kendra in Thor's Hammer?). As for detecting Goa'uld, it's not easy to rely on intuition and molecular resonance feelings. Just imagine the thousands of people you'd have to come into close proximity with to suss them out. And that's assuming the Goa'uld doesn't suss you out first and make a bolt for it.

[Major Tyler]

Ok...having said that, put yourself in the host's shoes. I'm sure you would be an unwilling host. And if someone decided to pull the plug on you because you were deemed a security risk, but through no fault of your own, wouldn't you object?

As for keeping Earth safe, by sacrificing whatever morals we can lay claim to, for the "greater good," we might as well be saying that we condone all forms of warfare, including performing acts, specifically prohibited by the Geneva convention. I know in practice, morals are often the first thing to fly out the window, but we run the risk of being as bad as the Goa'uld if we ever go down that path. Even the Tok'Ra agreed to stay their hand and not use the poison initially. I suspect with the massive movement in the jaffa rebellion, they will be even less motivated to use mass dispersal means to spread the poison. They might probably develop an ingestible version of it. Who knows?

When it comes down to it, and the choice becomes "us or them," I choose us.

[DelTrax1]

When it comes down to it, and the choice becomes "us or them," I choose us.

I also agree. We have to look after the whole. Understandablely that sounds harsh but that is the way we would have to do it.

[Madeleine]

That sucks.....I got one from a mod for being off subject.

No you didn't. You got one from someone who signed themselves "a mod". Goodness knows that as long as MC is a mod and certainly as long as I am a mod the Mods will have no right to actually *red* anyone for being OT

I'm off to show A Certain Someone what happens when they sign a red rep with a false sig...

[Rag Doll]

So was the Russian Defence Secretary a goau'ld or just close friends with The Trust? I missed that.

[Brassguy]

anyone else think that it was a bit weird that Kinsey the gould was taken being taken to his cell by two measely inept guys.

they had their guns IN THEIR HOLSTERS.


Goulds are powerful, even without the distraction he could have easily escaped.


why no one behind him pointing a gun at him?


Many people, including teal'c have guns and zats pointed at him when he is ringed up.


Then, he is escorted by two guys with guns not at the ready??

Makes no sense.

[DelTrax1]

So was the Russian Defence Secretary a goau'ld or just close friends with The Trust? I missed that.

Never said .....or did they.

[Tok'Ra Hostess]

I also agree. We have to look after the whole. Understandablely that sounds harsh but that is the way we would have to do it.

While I'm not a break-the-whole-dozen-to-make-a-two-egg-omelet, type, I do think that there may be some justification in taking such a drastic measure in this case.

1) There may be hundreds of Goa'uld-ed people in key positions on Earth. One such blended man Kiselev, almost brought on the instant deaths of millions of people, not to mention the horrible lingering deaths of millions of others and the total disruption of society as we know it.

2)The apparent fact that Kiselev was taken as a host but his right-hand man was not tells me that the Goa'uld are being very selective in who they take, and frankly, if people of hard-liner Kiselev's and Kinsey's ilk are their prefered hosts, then, welllll... I just don't see myself mourning the loss of this sort of people... cruel and heartless? I dunno. Is it?

[Teal'c]

Although it was never mentioned it is pretty clear they were working for Anubis. The episode had some good twist but were predictable, great to see Jack and the Russians. Overall not bad episode finally put to rest the whole trust business but the mystery remains did Kinsey die or did he manage to get away.

Holy chestnuts! How did I not figure that out?

[Teal'c]

Never said .....or did they.

The Goa'ulded Kinsey's way out was the Goa'uld in Kiselev.

[Dana_Jeanne]

ST means "Shut the...", when I first saw that insult I thought it meant "Stuff you", I was surprised to learn it's true meaning.

LOL. Thank you.

I still am not fond of Full Alert

Dana Jeanne

[MajorSam]

My take on this episode! Sorry if it's all been said before.

Likes:
I personally thought there was a lot of humour in this ep, ie)

-5 Bucks says Carter has a theory!
-I'm going to pick up my drycleaning!
-The entire first scene with Daria or whatever that Russian Colonel chick was named. I LOVED her! aaah, it just made my day! "I too am pleasantly suprised!" Who wouldn't be by Daniel in a tux?
-All the Jack stuff, I always love seeing him with Kinsey as well, how he just picked up the phone so obvious "i'm calling the sherriff!" HAHA, Blunt is good
-I thought all of Walter's updates were really funny
-The Russian Colonel again, I really like that character
-The increased tension throughout the world (I'm a supporter of revealing the Stargate Program publicly, boy would that mix things up)
-The Prommie, of course. Always reminds me of a vacuum cleaner... haha

Dislikes: -The Trust's HQ. I thought the whole big house with the chairs and cigars and animals on the wall was too cliche.
-Sam and Daniel's audio/visual things going off. well DUH they are! Put some anti-scramble stuff on! and then after Kinsey's like "what the hell is goin on!" and it blanked out, obviously it was a goa'uld in a tank/cooler thing! I know that's just a silly thing with me, but *shrug*
-The episode just kind of... moved, weirdly. like, it'll be one scene all normal then the very next one is like "oh, well, Daniel's kidnapped, all the Russians are preparing for war" type thing, I was like "uh..."
-Kinsey's glowing eyes seemed kinda hinkey to me as well, more reddish and weird... I think iv'e seen about 20 different kinds of glowing eyes throughout the seasons now

One thing I reaaally liked about this episode was the foreshadowing of Reckoning. It shows how on edge the high governments are. The previous eps have been saying how the System Lords are dying, or preparing for their last stands. I feel some BIIIIIG things coming on, and i'm really looking forward to some massive battle/action/significant eps.

I give this ep a....9/10, what the heck