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    Quote Originally Posted by Anubis
    Great episode.



    I cannot remember correctly, I was watching ad couldn't remember correctly if Kinsey did survive. Did he escape from the ship? I'll re-watch tonight and see if he does, and if he did -- where did he escape to?
    Yes Kinsey took the wrist device and I would presume beamed down to Earth as Osiris once did.

    For those saying it had an abrupt ending so did Double Jeopardy and that led to two great episodes Exodus and Enemies. Full Alert has obviously laid the grounding for Reckoning.
    I've an idea send Teal'c off world and release the poison over Russia just to clear up any left over Goa'ulds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaBlu
    Lionel Pendergast and "Comm. Officer". Damn it, I want Col. Ronson and Maj. Gant back!
    Are you kidding?? Col Ronson was the worst actor SG-1 have EVER had!! He was awful in Memento!!!

    Good episode though, as much as I HATED the beginning of this season, it's definately been picking up very well since Endgame.
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    Well ...where to start. Where is the Anceint ship from It's Good To Be King? That has a cloaking device and probably has good enough sensors to find a Cloaked ship. Now I am definitely stoked that they got rid of the Trust. Or did they. It is true that Kinsey did get away. How? We don't really know. My first thougthts were that he ringed back to Prometheous. Apparently he didn't. So He probably is on Earth somewhere. And of course no one will know this until a future episode. So.....does that mean that the Trust is done? Probably not.

    2nd..... Now we know that the Trust was all Gou'alds now. Which ones were they? I am sure that they are Gou'alds we would have know. And it makes you wonder why they did not release that Gou'ald killer on Earth since Teal'c is on Prometheous.......And know that I think about it ...it doesn't matter because Teal'c doesn't have a symbiote anymore. All together the episode was good but left a lot of wholes.

    Anyone think the same thing?
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    Well, some rude person gave me a red square for my post on this episode-- does anyone know what "STFU" means? I can kind of guess the last two aren't printable on a family forum, but I don't get the ST. And since the person didn't bother to sign their name, I can't ask them!

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    Allrighty, better get this all typed up and posted so that I can go online and see what everybody else thought...

    PIGGY'S USELESS OPINION
    of 'Full Alert'

    I'm kinda sleepy and all, so I don't trust my own feelings about the episode until I've seen it again in a more aware state. Right now I'm thinking it's sligthly above avarage. It started out kind of slow, although I did like Kinsey just showing up at Jack's place. The nerve of that guy! I must admit, though, that it did feel somewhat out of character for him. Kinsey hates Jack with a vengeance. It's not entirely believeable that he'd go to Jack for help or whatever, just to get back at the Trust. Especially when taken into consideration that Jack is much more responsible for his downfall than them.

    The episode gets more interesting, and the tension rises as the situation escalates. And then, of course, it's resolved and the episode ends. More abruptly than any other Stargate episode so far. Oh well.

    So... The Trust. I guess it's fair to assume they were all Goa'ulded. Is it also fair to assume that they're basically done for after the events in the episode? Were all the remaining operatives on board the al'kesh when it blew? At the very least, it only makes sense that there'd be none left on Earth. After all, they were planning on making everyone on the planet blow each other up.

    What about Goa'uld!Kinsey, then? Did he blow up with the ship, or (since we didn't see him for a while before it happened) did he escape? The al'kesh did have asgard beaming technology, right? Boy, do I sound clueless! Well, I'm gonna take a guess and say that perhaps the writers left it open in the hopes of finding a use for the character should the show be renewed for another season.

    Other than that, I liked to see Colonel Chekov again. It's been a long time since we last saw him and he's more of a sympathetic character now.

    On a scale from Pig Puke to Piggy's Thumbs Up (where Pig Puke is lowest... probably, I haven't worked out all the dirty details) 'Full Alert' gets a "meh..." and a half.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dana_Jeanne
    Well, some rude person gave me a red square for my post on this episode-- does anyone know what "STFU" means? I can kind of guess the last two aren't printable on a family forum, but I don't get the ST. And since the person didn't bother to sign their name, I can't ask them!

    Dana Jeanne
    ST means "Shut the...", when I first saw that insult I thought it meant "Stuff you", I was surprised to learn it's true meaning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dana_Jeanne
    Well, some rude person gave me a red square for my post on this episode-- does anyone know what "STFU" means? I can kind of guess the last two aren't printable on a family forum, but I don't get the ST. And since the person didn't bother to sign their name, I can't ask them!

    Dana Jeanne
    That sucks.....I got one from a mod for being off subject. I must have read the post wrong. See....I wouldn't be surprised if it happens again. I am dislexit ( or how ever you spell it.) So....anyways that isn't right. I read your post and it didn't seem bad. I think that we all get our own opinions whether someone likes it or not. I can't say that you will like everything I have to say but then as long as I am not bashing you then there shouldn't be a problem. To everyone that reads......make sure that you are being kind to the other users. A negative to me is something I will never give to someone unless I think what they typed is completely wrong to everyone. Lets be kind and try and all get along.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Token

    Even if the Russian colonel was not a Gou'ald, I don't remember ever hearing about a blood test that tests for Gou'ald infestation. Could they have been checking for the Ancient gene?
    How about testing for the presence of naquadah?

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    Finally saw this episode today. The time difference between here and Britain affects my you-know-what-ing. Some things I liked and didn't like.
    Things I Liked:
    1. Jack had a significant role in this episode. Nothing like seeing Jack again!
    2. We got to see the Prommie in action. It was nice to see it destroy that Al'kesh.
    3. Daniel and the Russian lady was funny. She was pretty bossy, telling him he'd acquire the taste for whatever that food was. She was hilarious!
    4. Kinsey as a Goa'uld was a shocker (except I saw the spoilers, so wasn't that big!)
    5. Seeing Teal'c on a SWAT team made me happy! Didn't know he could drive.

    Things I Didn't Like:
    1. Going to Def-Con 1 didn't seem to make that much sense. I mean, personally, I didn't care what alert status we were. If they had wasted less time talking about their alert status, they could have added at least 2 minutes into the episode.
    2. The Russians and the Goa'uld situation seemed very unsettling to me. I agree with what somewhat said about if the General was compromised, his right-hand man would have been. But they insisted on taking Daniel's blood.
    3. Kinsey's glowing eyes and Goa'uld voice wasn't the same. It almost looked like his eyes were red instead of the yellowish/gold color - but it may have been from seeing it through two TV's.
    4. Walter's constant updates got annoying, but nice to see Chevron Guy!!
    5. Why did Daniel transport out of the prison? Like they said, doesn't that basically show the SGC is compromised....which they aren't though.

    Good Quotes/Moments:
    1. The whole thing between Daniel and the Russian woman about the food that didn't didn't like and their Russian conversation.
    2. "I bet you 5 bucks Carter has a theory"
    3. Daniel ringing in aboard the Prommie
    4. Seeing the Prommie in action
    5. "I have to go get my dry-cleaning" "You're leaving for Russia in 30 minutes"

    All in all, I give "Full Alert" a 8/10 for some slow moments, but overall exciting, suspenseful, and action-packed (at times).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jantreeuk1
    I've an idea send Teal'c off world and release the poison over Russia just to clear up any left over Goa'ulds.
    That's a great idea! But they should do it all over Earth just to be sure. Oh, and Teal'c would be fine, he no longer has a symbiote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Token
    Even if the Russian colonel was not a Gou'ald, I don't remember ever hearing about a blood test that tests for Gou'ald infestation. Could they have been checking for the Ancient gene?
    Well, thinking about stuff in a logical fashion, it would make sense that biomedical research details of the Goa'uld and their physiology would be shared amongst the countries in on the stargate secret as part of their ongoing agreement to share intel and military efforts. Remember that the SGC and Area 51 have made a lot of progress in their knowledge of Goa'uld physiology, including the changes that might be exerted on the host, biochemically. For instance, the immune response can be subverted and various circulating cytokine or chemokines could have their normal levels elevated or suppressed to accomodate the presence of the symbiote. Maybe even looking for elevated levels of Goa'uld-specific antigens in the blood is also possible as a diagnostic aid.
    McKAY: Well, you wouldn’t know that from this, would you? This might as well say, “Bing tiddle tiddle bong.” It’s complete gibberish!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major Tyler
    That's a great idea! But they should do it all over Earth just to be sure. Oh, and Teal'c would be fine, he no longer has a symbiote.
    There are a few major problems with that idea. First up, we don't know how many symbiotes are wagging their tails in hosts on earth and more importantly, who they're in. Remember that dying Goa'uld symbiotes take their hosts with them by releasing a biochemical poison that the host cannot tolerate. What if important businessmen or political figures suddenly started keeling over? The media furor over this would inevitably lead to public revelation of the stargate project. That would be a big no no.

    Also ethically, the host, as we often know are generally unwilling ones. Releasing the symbiote poison over Earth is in effect a death sentence for the host as well. I don't think they deserve that kind of fate. It's just as morally objectionable as using the symbiote poison against the Jaffa armies of the enemy System Lords. Why? Because, just like every other biological or chemical agent of warfare, the killing power is indiscriminate beyond belief. And not to mention really hard to control.
    McKAY: Well, you wouldn’t know that from this, would you? This might as well say, “Bing tiddle tiddle bong.” It’s complete gibberish!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kryon22
    There are a few major problems with that idea. First up, we don't know how many symbiotes are wagging their tails in hosts on earth and more importantly, who they're in. Remember that dying Goa'uld symbiotes take their hosts with them by releasing a biochemical poison that the host cannot tolerate. What if important businessmen or political figures suddenly started keeling over? The media furor over this would inevitably lead to public revelation of the stargate project. That would be a big no no.

    Also ethically, the host, as we often know are generally unwilling ones. Releasing the symbiote poison over Earth is in effect a death sentence for the host as well. I don't think they deserve that kind of fate. It's just as morally objectionable as using the symbiote poison against the Jaffa armies of the enemy System Lords. Why? Because, just like every other biological or chemical agent of warfare, the killing power is indiscriminate beyond belief. And not to mention really hard to control.



    I don't think that it would be hard to make a good cover on people dieing.....Knowing Gou'ald they wouldn't sit around working when they could have someone worship them.

    And if someone was a Gou'ald on Earth I don't think we would have any problem killing them off. It is all about keeping Earth safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mathwizard
    How about testing for the presence of naquadah?
    I thought about that, but is the naquadah present in the host's blood while the symbiote is still alive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kryon22
    Well, thinking about stuff in a logical fashion, it would make sense that biomedical research details of the Goa'uld and their physiology would be shared amongst the countries in on the stargate secret as part of their ongoing agreement to share intel and military efforts. Remember that the SGC and Area 51 have made a lot of progress in their knowledge of Goa'uld physiology, including the changes that might be exerted on the host, biochemically. For instance, the immune response can be subverted and various circulating cytokine or chemokines could have their normal levels elevated or suppressed to accomodate the presence of the symbiote. Maybe even looking for elevated levels of Goa'uld-specific antigens in the blood is also possible as a diagnostic aid.
    Good thoughts!

    Is there anything is Stargate canon that states that a blood test can identify someone as a Gou'ald? I was still under the impression it was only determined by CT-scan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Token
    Good thoughts!

    Is there anything is Stargate canon that states that a blood test can identify someone as a Gou'ald? I was still under the impression it was only determined by CT-scan.
    Nope, not specifically. As far as I remember from all the more biological/medical slanted stories, they used MRIs to physically visualize the presence of the symbiote. But MRIs are expensive and limited in deployability. Having blood samples shipped off for Western Blot or polymerase chain reaction (DNA) diagnostics, seems a more logistically sound approach. And probably better for cover stories too, i'd think.

    For Area 51 to backwards engineer and refine the symbiote poison from Tok'Ra data also means that Earth's knowledge of Goa'uld physiology is impressive enough to be able to devise biochemical tests for the express purpose of detection.
    McKAY: Well, you wouldn’t know that from this, would you? This might as well say, “Bing tiddle tiddle bong.” It’s complete gibberish!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DelTrax1
    I don't think that it would be hard to make a good cover on people dieing.....Knowing Gou'ald they wouldn't sit around working when they could have someone worship them.

    And if someone was a Gou'ald on Earth I don't think we would have any problem killing them off. It is all about keeping Earth safe.
    Ok...having said that, put yourself in the host's shoes. I'm sure you would be an unwilling host. And if someone decided to pull the plug on you because you were deemed a security risk, but through no fault of your own, wouldn't you object?

    As for keeping Earth safe, by sacrificing whatever morals we can lay claim to, for the "greater good," we might as well be saying that we condone all forms of warfare, including performing acts, specifically prohibited by the Geneva convention. I know in practice, morals are often the first thing to fly out the window, but we run the risk of being as bad as the Goa'uld if we ever go down that path. Even the Tok'Ra agreed to stay their hand and not use the poison initially. I suspect with the massive movement in the jaffa rebellion, they will be even less motivated to use mass dispersal means to spread the poison. They might probably develop an ingestible version of it. Who knows?
    McKAY: Well, you wouldn’t know that from this, would you? This might as well say, “Bing tiddle tiddle bong.” It’s complete gibberish!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Token
    Good thoughts!

    Is there anything is Stargate canon that states that a blood test can identify someone as a Gou'ald? I was still under the impression it was only determined by CT-scan.
    Once you become a host you get naqueda (bad spelling) in your blood. That is how Carter can tell if someone is a Gou'ald.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DelTrax1
    Once you become a host you get naqueda (bad spelling) in your blood. That is how Carter can tell if someone is a Gou'ald.
    Personally, I think the physiology is a little more complicated than that. Remember that Carter only started exhibiting the ability to use Goa'uld technology on her own because the Naquadah in her system remained there after Jolinar died and was absorbed into her system. I suspect that Naquadah, like most heavy metals tend to stay lodged in a biological system and build up. As for how it enables Goa'uld-ed hosts to use Naquadah-based technology, that one remains up in the air (although i think that if the element itself were tied into specific pathway reactions in their cellular makeup like being part of co-factors or enzyme-coupled composition it might lend an air of plausability in theories going around). We've seen evidence of this repeating itself in other former hosts (remember Kendra in Thor's Hammer?). As for detecting Goa'uld, it's not easy to rely on intuition and molecular resonance feelings. Just imagine the thousands of people you'd have to come into close proximity with to suss them out. And that's assuming the Goa'uld doesn't suss you out first and make a bolt for it.
    McKAY: Well, you wouldn’t know that from this, would you? This might as well say, “Bing tiddle tiddle bong.” It’s complete gibberish!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kryon22
    Ok...having said that, put yourself in the host's shoes. I'm sure you would be an unwilling host. And if someone decided to pull the plug on you because you were deemed a security risk, but through no fault of your own, wouldn't you object?

    As for keeping Earth safe, by sacrificing whatever morals we can lay claim to, for the "greater good," we might as well be saying that we condone all forms of warfare, including performing acts, specifically prohibited by the Geneva convention. I know in practice, morals are often the first thing to fly out the window, but we run the risk of being as bad as the Goa'uld if we ever go down that path. Even the Tok'Ra agreed to stay their hand and not use the poison initially. I suspect with the massive movement in the jaffa rebellion, they will be even less motivated to use mass dispersal means to spread the poison. They might probably develop an ingestible version of it. Who knows?
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