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    I did a long commentry-ramble on LiveJournal during the great and terrible absence and I started out with the words 'Kill! Kill him!' not far from Everetts name every time I mentioned him... but by the end I had grown somewhat attached to him. I do not understand it. All I want is for it to go away because I do not WANT to like him. *shrug*

    Lots of Dr Zelenka which is always nice. VFX were lovely! Especially when the Wraith dart was burning up and it crashed into the ocean. The swooping city shots were nice, very detailed. What else... the chair was very much there and being its pretty self.

    By the way, how many jumpers are left. I could've sworn there were four and when four were shown in the montage sequence I jumped up and down for the joy of continuity... but then in a later shot five were shown in the bay. Mistake or are there actually five left?

    All in all I wouls give it a 4 stars. Anything that will make me type four pages of ramble-commentry willingly deserves 4 stars.
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    I am rather disappointed that nothing got resolved by the end of this episode. Don't get me wrong. I loved the episode and its plot twists and stuff (although it was rather obvious that the plans were not going to work). I would have just liked to see more thing resolved such as the wraith hive ships blow up or something and then we can still be leave hanging as to who have survived, etc.).

    I just hope that season 2 doesn't start with the Prometheus popping in to save the day. That would be rather lame although I am sure the Prometheus will be involved somehow.

    I enjoyed the episode but I just hate being left with the empty feeling of having to wait until the summer. When you build up the entire second half of the season on this final attack, I think you have got to resolve this a bit more than what they have done.
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    I thought "Seige, pt1" was great. Part Two, however, was probably the best hour of television I've ever seen!

    After a poor dubbing job in the opening scenes, I grew to like Everett. (Does it sound to anyone else like PDL re-recorded those lines?) He was the man with the plan, and didn't want to waste any time implementing it. While trying to cut Weir out of the loop wasn't the best idea, he wasn't disrespectful about it. He relieved her of command in proper military fashion (including saluting her), then set about his job.

    The night battle over Atlantis made me shiver. When it began, it was like watching Baghdad on CNN, circa '91 or '03. Except in Atlantis, they were hitting things.

    And I think I growled audibly when I saw "to be continued". I can't wait until July to see how this ends!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatcheter
    (Does it sound to anyone else like PDL re-recorded those lines?)
    Yes!! It was very weird. But I found nothing at all to like about the character, "following military protocol" or not.

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    I thought Everett was a class act and he was damn near perfect in what the writers intended. My dad is ex military and has some of those traits. Such as getting things done when needed to and his "buy you a drink remark". His salute to Weir was a sign of respect, who else has ever saluted Weir out of respect in the show? Just that alone could of been enough. His voice sounded great but it was different.

    A military man in command is their to get things done no questions asked, just like Sheppard said, he is trying to set up a chain of command. His area isn't politics and people problems, that Weirs forte. Notice how they were much better together rather than apart. Notice Lt. Ford has no trouble with him, and quickly knew who was in charge.

    I damn well love tho character and hope he stays AND in charge with Weir. Each both doing their thing. They showed they could in this episode.

    Shepperd btw is going to be rescued by the earth ship (guessing). Since earth has a puddlejumper they could of known about its cloak abilities and thus might well pick him out at the last moment with a timely teleport. (For those who get the joke, can I say teleport?)

    One thing I didn't like was the loss of mines, they should of kept at least one. Plus while I could understand they wanted to send more through the gate from earth, but in a small time as possible (to save energy), I think they could of brought more power generation with them. Seemed a kop out when they were running into problems later on. Since they read the reports, they should of known they had aleady lost a generator in the nanites episode.

    Anybody notice, Everett went with the term "Puddlejumper" and not Timeship, didn't question it? Also you could tell he knew about the Genii when it was mentioned. He certainly read his stuff.

    I wonder if this ship has a hanger bay full of the 302's?

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    My Review for "The Seige: Part 2" Yay yay yay (don't ask, too much sugar!)

    Things I Liked:
    1. When the Stargate activated and then McKay was like "It's Stargate command". YAY EARTH!
    2. Everett owes Weir a drink...I smell some new shippers, especially toward the end of the episode?
    3. Sheppard is so brave when he's like I know what I have to do. And Weir was like, alright.
    4. Weir off-world! And we go to see her negotiating a second time (first being with the system lords in "New Order: Part 1 and 2"
    5. The rail guns.
    6. Atlantis when all the power was shut down and then the lights in the sky just lit up the whole city,
    7. Throughout the whole episode, when they kept showing the outside of the city and moving from part to part.
    8. Everett and Larry (the Wraith!). I didn't like Everett.
    9. The Athosians wanting to help fight.

    Thing's I Didn't Like:
    1. Everett. Hate the man more than the Wraith. I mean...he's acting sucked and he was a jerk to Weir and McKay.
    2. NO DAEDULUS! I so wanted to see it soooo bad!
    3. The fight scenes weren't as exciting as I thought they would be.
    4. Cliffhanger episode.
    5. At the end, everyone is either dead, knocked out, or about to die (Sheppard).
    6. NO DAEDULUS!

    Good Quotes/Moments:
    THE WHOLE THING! All 43 minutes of it from beginning to end!!

    So a 10/10 no doubt. Only 6 more months till Season 2. I can deal. I know I can.

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    What a nail-biter... I was on the edge of whatever seat I was on during most of the episode... and in the tradition of every Stargate season finale, it ended with (*surprise, surprise*) a cliffhanger.
    Atlantis has exceeded my expectations... I really didn't expect TPTB to be able to maintain the tension for four straight episodes... it so un-Stargate ... I almost didn't want to watch it for fear of wanting more...

    Colonel Everett seemed pretty much the Sumner clone... not one to suffer fools gladly... it doesn't sound like most people were convinced by his Southern air... I didn't mind him... I thought he acted fairly consistently as the military stereotype who reeks of overweening arrogance and then later softens when he realises that this is no normal military situation... I was grinning inwardly when Rodney took him down a peg or two later... came close to cheering actually...
    It was nice to see Sheppard stick up for Weir in front of Everett... it really showed how much he has grown in his attitude towards Weir's leadership since Hot Zone.

    When Sheppard runs off to do his thing at the end... I thought... "that is so Sheppard... that is something he would do... it is very consistent with who he is all throughout the first season." I think it exemplifies his attitude and actions in Hot Zone very effectively. On another forum someone accused Sheppard of being selfish and thoughtless in his decision making process... but I think far from being selfish, Sheppard has very good intentions... to the point of being self-sacrificing... that is his blind spot... he cares too much and he is a man of action. He is not one to standby and do nothing if he feels he has the power to make things happen.

    Weir did well in this episode too... I thought the Genii were going to cause problems again... but almost cheered again when Weir told the commander to "get off his high horse" (so to speak). It was pretty gutsy... once again it shows growth in her journey as leader of the expedition... shows how much she has had to adapt to the circumstances around her...

    Some nice banter between Zelenka and Rodney... it was important for us to see how much of a toll the situation had taken on both of them... ie the need for stimulants... that created a sense of weariness and urgency for me. Hopefully we'll continue to see more of Zelenka in Season 2.

    It was a wonderful episode all in all (the drama, the excitement, the danger so close at hand)... it reminded me of how much I'm going to miss Atlantis during the hiatus...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easter Lily
    it doesn't sound like most people were convinced by his Southern air...
    Maybe if he'd kept the Southern accent consistently. It seemed like the actor kept forgetting to do it- sometimes Everett had an accent, sometimes he didn't and his voice still didn't sound right.

    I think it's funny that someone else thought he sounded like PDL at times, too.

    I wasn't convinced by any aspect of this character. And I'll agree with him being a clone of Sumner. But while I understand that stereotypes are stereotypes because people do tend to behave in certain ways, I'm getting a bit sick of the gung-ho hooyah military stereotype. I didn't like it in Sumner and I like it even less in Everett.

    His confrontation with Shep about his "good friend" annoyed me, too. But then, EVERYTHING about him annoyed me. Ye gods, who knew someone could actually make the female wraith look GOOD...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowMaat
    Maybe if he'd kept the Southern accent consistently. It seemed like the actor kept forgetting to do it- sometimes Everett had an accent, sometimes he didn't and his voice still didn't sound right.

    I think it's funny that someone else thought he sounded like PDL at times, too.

    I wasn't convinced by any aspect of this character. And I'll agree with him being a clone of Sumner. But while I understand that stereotypes are stereotypes because people do tend to behave in certain ways, I'm getting a bit sick of the gung-ho hooyah military stereotype. I didn't like it in Sumner and I like it even less in Everett.

    His confrontation with Shep about his "good friend" annoyed me, too. But then, EVERYTHING about him annoyed me. Ye gods, who knew someone could actually make the female wraith look GOOD...
    They are not clones.

    Sumner was not gung ho either and the fact that they made Everett a Southerner should of been a clear enough signal that he was different to Sumner as well.

    Sumner was always hesitant with having Weir as an equal before the fan was hit with something. Everett had no issues with her at all. He is military and thought military, he was respectful and held nothing against her either. He was even gracious to her at times, like with offering the chair back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrackedButter
    He is military and thought military, he was respectful and held nothing against her either.
    He largly ignored her until Sheppard coerced him into letting her into the meeting, because she was civilian. I call that holding something against her. He was somewhat condescending to her also, later on.

    It not that I really hate him now, but his first few scenes gave me murderous urges. I'm indifferent towards him now. With time (although I suspect from his last scene, he does not have much of that) I may work up to something in the region of like.
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    This episode was so perfect! I loved every minute of it! Colonel Everett was great because we got to see him progress from stereotypical hardass, to a member of the team. Weir and Sheppard had to steamroll him, but once they got their feet in the door, Everett respected them (kind of).

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    Quote Originally Posted by joanne1138
    He largly ignored her until Sheppard coerced him into letting her into the meeting, because she was civilian. I call that holding something against her. He was somewhat condescending to her also, later on.

    It not that I really hate him now, but his first few scenes gave me murderous urges. I'm indifferent towards him now. With time (although I suspect from his last scene, he does not have much of that) I may work up to something in the region of like.
    You certainly don't know your military then. Everett had nothing against her. If you remember Weir was treated in the same way by SG1 before she proved herself in New Order.

    Everetts reasons were simple (she IS a civvie) and it seems at this stage, without motive, he probably just misunderstood the situation just like everything else at first. Now Everett did have something against Shep and we found out the reason why. Notice the difference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quinn Mallory
    I am rather disappointed that nothing got resolved by the end of this episode. Don't get me wrong. I loved the episode and its plot twists and stuff (although it was rather obvious that the plans were not going to work). I would have just liked to see more thing resolved such as the wraith hive ships blow up or something and then we can still be leave hanging as to who have survived, etc.).

    I just hope that season 2 doesn't start with the Prometheus popping in to save the day. That would be rather lame although I am sure the Prometheus will be involved somehow.

    I enjoyed the episode but I just hate being left with the empty feeling of having to wait until the summer. When you build up the entire second half of the season on this final attack, I think you have got to resolve this a bit more than what they have done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrackedButter
    You certainly don't know your military then.
    Know what? I don't give a flying fig if his characterization is "militarily accurate" or not. I still hate the guy, I still think he acted like a complete jackhole and I still don't like the way he sounded.

    I also fail to understand what knowing the military has to do with liking a character or not and I highly doubt that TPTB wrote Everett figuring, "Oh, well, everyone will understand he's acting this way because he's a military guy". Being a Marine is a fact, not an excuse.

    I've seen bunches of military-oriented movies and a handful of military shows. I've even loved by-the-book fanatically militaristic characters born with a ka-bar in their mouths, but that doesn't change the fact that in Everett's case, I hate him and find him thus far irredeemable. *shrug*

    Defend him all you like. Explain that it's a "military thing". I still hate him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowMaat
    Know what? I don't give a flying fig if his characterization is "militarily accurate" or not. I still hate the guy, I still think he acted like a complete jackhole and I still don't like the way he sounded.

    I also fail to understand what knowing the military has to do with liking a character or not and I highly doubt that TPTB wrote Everett figuring, "Oh, well, everyone will understand he's acting this way because he's a military guy". Being a Marine is a fact, not an excuse.
    Isn't this like anything in life, not knowing enough about something generally leads a person to not understanding clearly either. It goes hand in hand. Hence all those cliches about fearing the unknown and what not.

    I've seen bunches of military-oriented movies and a handful of military shows. I've even loved by-the-book fanatically militaristic characters born with a ka-bar in their mouths, but that doesn't change the fact that in Everett's case, I hate him and find him thus far irredeemable. *shrug*

    Defend him all you like. Explain that it's a "military thing". I still hate him.
    Its typical in a conversation when one person goes off on a tangent and stops discussing the matter at hand after the other has proved his or her point.

    I understand you hate him as a character but my point is more the reason why you hate him, as you have pointed out. You said don't understand, thus you might misinterpret his mannerisms asyou did. Then formed an opinion based on your lack of understanding.

    You think he acted in ways which might have had ulterior motives and I don't think he did, simply for being military (plus again, the writers have openly had him out as having a grudge against Shep). The opinions here seem that one minute he is a clone of Sumner and has a Gung ho attitude, next minute he is hinted at being cold and calculating.

    He infact complemented Weir later on when he said she was the best person in the "base" to negioate with the Genii. Notice he also calls atlantis a base and not a city?

    He is simply a military man with a plan and doesn't have time for niceities with people he doesn't know and haven't earn't his respect of them. This all changes later when he comes on board and understands the people he is dealing with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrackedButter
    You think he acted in ways which might have had ulterior motives and I don't think he did, simply for being military (plus again, the writers have openly had him out as having a grudge against Shep). The opinions here seem that one minute he is a clone of Sumner and has a Gung ho attitude, next minute he is hinted at being cold and calculating.

    He infact complemented Weir later on when he said she was the best person in the "base" to negioate with the Genii. Notice he also calls atlantis a base and not a city?

    He is simply a military man with a plan and doesn't have time for niceities with people he doesn't know and haven't earn't his respect of them. This all changes later when he comes on board and understands the people he is dealing with.
    That seems to be my impression as well... In fact I would go further and say that there is really not that much of him for us to like or dislike. He performed a role in the episode... he went on a quick journey of gruff military commander to I'm-sorry-I-was-such-an-idiot all in the space of 40 something minutes... it was a life and death situation and he acted according to his usual instincts. He gave the main players a chance to rise to the occasion and that was really why he was there.

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    Ok, first thing about this is Everett's opening dialogue was soo bad.
    It just didn't fit at all and unless they fix it I will be unhappy at buying the dvd/dvdboxset with it on.

    Everyone watching it laughed so much at that bad dubbing, almost as bad as kungfu movies
    I didn't hear most of what he said frst time we watched it since we couldn't get over the disastrous re-record of that.

    Other than that Everett was annyonig and acent fluctuating. I didn't mind him so much as episode went on but if he's dead then I won't care. And was it just me or did he have a strange thing going with Weir by the end? Almost like he was flirting, very odd. Of course I also hated the whole you killed my buddy thing because he realy ought to have understood if he'd read the reports but, ah well.

    I prefered Seige part 1 to part 2. This won't be an episode I want to rewatch as much as others like part 1 but the cgi was fantastic, the shots of the city and the battle (the lights going out scene was wonderful). They deserve an award for what we see here.

    Also little sad they downplayed Weir's negotiation/kidnapping - could have been more to it but I'm happy she gets such a strong role in the episode and hoping the genii and Prenim are back in Season 2, especially if Weir gets to deal with them again.

    The whole Sheppard/Weir scene at the end really bugs me. Over the top soap opera-ish, doesn't make me like Sheppard so much, he should have gone done it rather than wasting time with angsty looks of goodbye.

    Other thing I want to see in te continuation is McKay collapsing because he should be done in by the end of the crisis, he certainly looked near breaking point most of the way thorugh the episode. Unless he slept on the jumper flights in part 1 and between then it sounds like he hasn't slept properly for 2 weeks, if at all in that last week before this all.

    The last thing is where was Sora?
    Its the battle and they need all the hands they can get and so why is she presumably sitting in the brig either with guards being wasted on her or being useless and just a tasty snack for some wraith if they find her there?

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    Great episode, I loved the night fight scenes and how the camera moved around the exteriors of Atlantis, then went in to close-ups, then to the interior! Breathtaking! The only bad thing is we have to wait sooooo long for season 2!

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    I'm glad to see that the site is back up. I don't normally post much here, but for this ep I made an exception.

    And that with the worst timing in history.

    Anyway, I was utterly blown away by this ep. I will even go as far as to forgive the vfx team for the cheesy tsunami earlier in the season. I retract every bad coment I made about the visuals back when "the eye" aired. The way they zoomed around the city was right up my alley. The only thing I would have done diffrently wasn't done (I'm sure) because of budget. But hey, I can live without the camera going all the way through the walls rather than just outside.
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    I really disliked Everett. His voice was so annoying, something about it just drives me nuts. I'm not sure whether he is believable or not but I didn't like him and I hope he gets killed by a Wraith soon.

    Regarding Bates, I used to dislike him but he's grown on me. I do think he has valid points in regard to security, but I think the way that he goes about things is bad. He could be a more tactful and less accusatory, and get the same points across more successfully.

    McKay and Zelenka were fab as usual. I liked their point about how the military disregard them until they are really needed -- it struck me as very true.

    It was fun to see sexy Shep in the chair kicking ass. Also cool that Ford jumped out to gun after the previous gunner got sucked up.

    I adored Weir, and her 'I'm WAY beyond careful line.' I like her hard ass attitude -- it's her best side if you ask me.

    Question about the new-found zpm and the Daedalus -- somehow I feel like sending just the zpm through the gate would have been better, rather than having to wait 4 days for the battle cruiser -- what do others think?

    I was disappointed that it's a cliffhanger episode and I would probably die from withdrawal if I didn't have over 7 seasons of SG1 to catch up on!

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