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    It thought it was cute to see Sam and Daniel so excited while they were playing with the crystal. They are such dorks.

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    I found this episode very awkward, when Sara was asking Jack those questions at the park you could see her desire to get back with him. However that is not what happened the reel jack did not love Sara anymore. I wonder what happened to Sara after that, I also wonder why Jack was ever with her in the first place. Don't get me wrong she seemed like a very nice person, but she was not Jack's type at all.

    Then when Jack allowed Sara to see their son, I was thinking this is going to screw her up for along time. I mean if my dead son started talking to me as if he was a different person. I would go crazy, especially if i was never given a straight answer about the whole thing.

    I just wish they would have gone in a completely different direction and not involved Jack's family.

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    Not so much action here. Too much drama, IMO.

    Most memorable scene for me would be when the alien transformed into Charlie. It was memorable because of Jack's reaction. Shock, longingness, wishing it was really his son, sadness that its really not, pain that he has was forced to face the truth.

    Not an ep that I'd watch again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by L E E View Post
    Not so much action here. Too much drama, IMO.

    Most memorable scene for me would be when the alien transformed into Charlie. It was memorable because of Jack's reaction. Shock, longingness, wishing it was really his son, sadness that its really not, pain that he has was forced to face the truth.

    Not an ep that I'd watch again.
    I totally agree that this wasn't an action episode it was much more of a scientific and even philosophical episode.

    The whole concept of different lifeforms in the galaxy makes it seem larger. If all there was were humans being dominated by the Goa'uld, the Stargate universe would seem extremely small. The episode makes us realize that SG-1 doesn't just fight off bad guys, they attempt to help and understand the good ones.

    I didn't like the Sara and Charlie branch of this episode. However the scientific... the philosophical... those were great.

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    Finally got around to the funky crystal episode with the 2 jacks.

    Recently there was a thread somewhere around here about all the "planets" having the same forest ~ or some such drabble about villages being the same, etc. Well, the location certainly went out of the forest on this one. I loved the colors in the opening scenes, all those yellows and blues. They icon nice

    Hmmm. I think Teal'c and the staff weapon stole the episode. Here's why:

    Teal'c cracked me up. They're leaving base to go find the other Jack and Hammond tells him he can't take his staff weapon. "I have seen your world. I will need this" (paraphrasing)
    Daniel and Sam are conducting tests on the crystal using the staff weapon. Teal'c "You did get permission for me to fire my staff weapon in the gateroom" - Daniel and Sam just dart away with a noncommital "uh, sure"

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    The Not!Forest planet is bright and shiny... so I made some more icons because that's what the world needs. More icons.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Pic-CollSwan View Post
    Hmmm. I think Teal'c and the staff weapon stole the episode. Here's why:

    Teal'c cracked me up. They're leaving base to go find the other Jack and Hammond tells him he can't take his staff weapon. "I have seen your world. I will need this" (paraphrasing)

    Daniel and Sam are conducting tests on the crystal using the staff weapon. Teal'c "You did get permission for me to fire my staff weapon in the gateroom" - Daniel and Sam just dart away with a noncommital "uh, sure"
    Also my two funny moments of what was a very serious episode.

    First time we really saw the pain that Jack feels/has bottled up inside him. It was evident in the movie but not so much throughout the series until now.

    Some pretty top acting by Jack conveying his hurt and the alien Jack's confusion over everything.

    I noticed Sara still had her wedding ring on I think, probably showing that she still had hope that after Jack had dealt with the pain he was feeling their relationship could of continued.

    I think the embrace just before they left the hospital was signifying that their relationship was over "we were good together weren't we?" Jack replies "the greatest"....

    Like Pic-CollSwan I loved all the colour variations in the opening sequence on the planet. Another cool Gate shot at the end to.

    Although not what I would call one of my favourite episodes I feel it was a necessary one to provide that background detail into Jack.

    Awesome! Nice avatars Pic-CollSwan.

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    this was a cool episode i thought what happened with jacks son was sad and its good to know that there is a reason for why he is emotionless when it comes to people and i think this episode helps him to start healing and allow him to start to fall for sam

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    A great performance from RDA in this one as the copy of O'Neill struggles to come to terms with Jack's past. We saw a gentler side of O'Neill that is seldom allowed to show. The sight of the copy hugging Charlie's things made me cry, as did the closing scene of Jack and Sarah with 'Charlie'. I think the way Jack and Sarah hug shows that there's still some feeling there, but they both know it's over for them.

    Daniel's reaction to the crystal when it changed to his face was quite funny. The way the real Jack reacted to the troops in the gateroom when he returned was good, too.

    It's good to see a lifeform that isn't more-or-less humanoid, or bipedal at the very least. The idea that there's more to life than carbon-based lifeforms isn't new, but it's not one that's used much. It's also nice to see a recognition that Earth's environment can actually be harmful to alien life. So often Earth is invaded by aliens that have no problems with our atmosphere, E-M field, gravity...

    Over all, a very good episode.
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    I LOVE this episode and frankly don't understand why the first season gets such a bad rap. I'd like to address each issue, but first things first, about the episode:

    It's a dramatic story with a science fiction backdrop. Remember Jeff Bridges in "Starman?" Same premise. IMO it's a feather in RDA's cap that he pulled off the dual role so convincingly. So what if this is an episode that didn't carry the flavor of the many episodes yet to come? IMO if it had been more centered around canon (i.e. the Goa'uld attack on the Unity) than on the individual character development of Jack O'Neill and the back story of Charlie's death and Jack's separation from Sarah it would have been a more "forgettable" episode. As it stands, I found it to be a rather endearing bit of writing that makes O'Neill seem more "human" behind all that bravado and quick wit.

    What really hits me about this episode is the emotional response it drew within me. As a full-time dad to two small boys who are as much a part of me as, well, any physical part of my body I found myself gripped by the drama. I spend almost every minute of every day with my sons and on the rare occasion we're apart for more than a couple of hours I miss them terribly. If something were to happen to either one of them, I don't know if I could survive. Call it "projection" (a psychological term) or simply wearing my heart on my sleeve (a literary cliché) I could feel Jack's pain as the Unity stepped into his life and uncovered the sense of loss from Charlie's death.

    That RDA was able to draw upon some type of empathy during the projection of this episode to further flesh out the character that Kurt Russell created shows that this is indeed a bit of canon - even if it's only for one character - and hints at O'Neill's incredible strength of will to overcome adversity.

    Stepping back to a more critical POV, the only improvement I could see upon this episode would to have been have the characters react on a more emotional level as they became involved in what was formerly a "private" part of Jack's life. I mean, Daniel became Jack's best friend in the movie because he helped Jack deal with the loss in the first place. Daniel could have at least opened up to Sam a little more when the subject came up in this episode. And whatever happened to Sarah? Did she get remarried? Did she receive disclosure about the Stargate program? Did she and Jack ever air out their feelings like she started to do with the Unity imposter?

    BTW, the actress who played Sarah bears a remarkable similarity to the actress who originally played Elizabeth Weir 6 years later? I know they're two different actresses but it's kinda eerie.

    Now, getting on to season one's bad rap I'd have to say that this season had the benefit of breaking new ground. Sure, the special effects have come a long way, but so have the clichés.

    I mean, did every Goa'uld (or even the Asgard for that matter) affect the role of some god or another from any one of several of Earth's many cultures? Strange that they didn't touch upon the Big 3 (Judaism, Christianity or Islam) but I'm kind of glad they didn't. At least they didn't go the Men in Black route and show a Goa'uld dressed as Elvis (quote: "Elvis ain't dead, son - he just went home") If that were the case, then SG-1 would have "jumped the shark" a lot sooner than it did - which by my estimation was around the same time SciFi (and commercial television) picked it up.

    As a former Trekkie, I say throw canon out the window. Relying on it as a literary tool is akin to painting oneself into a corner; there are only so many new ideas to dream up if one limits the scope of one's imagination. SG-1 did it many times during the first 8 years. For the second incarnation they fell back on the same plot devices but switched around the details a little bit.

    PS: as a former Trekkie, I must point out that there were a LOT of good episodes in TOS. Too many folks remember Shatner's overacting but I'd hazard a guess to point out that he was getting a little too comfortable in the role and was just phoning it in by the time season 3 came around. Arguably the same could be said about RDA in many episodes of SG-1 during seasons 6-8.

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    Just watched this episode, and although I enjoyed it so much remained unresolved that it bugged me.

    1. Jack steps through the Stargate to take his 'son' back to an alien planet. And then the episode ends abruptly. We don't see how hard must it have been for a father to dump the image of his child on an alien world and then abandon him or watch him die again? I felt cheated out of what could have been a powerful scene.

    2. O'Neill just leaves his wife in the hospital without any explanation as to why there are two versions of himself running around or why her dead son appears to be alive. Just saying 'It's not Charlie' isn't enough in my mind. Is she supposed to just think 'Oh well then'. The episode should have ended with O'Neill explaining what had happened, and that he was sorry for having ignored her etc...

    3. The crystal on the base was asking for help, and then it was ignored for the rest of the episode. Did they shove it in a cupboard or something?

    4. Why were the crystal creatures gathered near the gate and executed? I take it the Goa'uld were responsible, but why did they fear the crystals?


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    Quote Originally Posted by NK1969 View Post
    I LOVE this episode and frankly don't understand why the first season gets such a bad rap.
    Very nice post, NK1969! I agree. I'm currently in the midst of my first ever re-watch (so I hadn't seen these episodes in years) and I had forgotten how enjoyable these early episodes were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frozen Serpent View Post
    Just watched this episode, and although I enjoyed it so much remained unresolved that it bugged me.

    1. Jack steps through the Stargate to take his 'son' back to an alien planet. And then the episode ends abruptly. We don't see how hard must it have been for a father to dump the image of his child on an alien world and then abandon him or watch him die again? I felt cheated out of what could have been a powerful scene.

    2. O'Neill just leaves his wife in the hospital without any explanation as to why there are two versions of himself running around or why her dead son appears to be alive. Just saying 'It's not Charlie' isn't enough in my mind. Is she supposed to just think 'Oh well then'. The episode should have ended with O'Neill explaining what had happened, and that he was sorry for having ignored her etc...

    3. The crystal on the base was asking for help, and then it was ignored for the rest of the episode. Did they shove it in a cupboard or something?

    4. Why were the crystal creatures gathered near the gate and executed? I take it the Goa'uld were responsible, but why did they fear the crystals?

    the crystals attacted the goa'uld and one died i remember them telling u that and because of it the goa'uld attacked them with there staffs

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    Yes, but it was also stated that the crystals were put there by someone else in the first place (as a kind of execution site / grave). If the Jaffa were shocked whenever they touched the crystals, how were they transported there?

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    i don't know but i think it became a execution site after the jaffa destroyed them. altho if they were movied i don't know how they were movied altho they could have been movied after. because maybe after the crystals are destroyed they lose power and at that time can be moved

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    Pic has got me snarled into her re-watch. I'm not ambitious enough to post on every episode, but I just watched this one and had to remark how lovely it is to see a planet that doesn't have a forest.

    Sam's comment about the locker room & sand getting into everything cracked me up!

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    This has gotta be one of my least favorite episodes =\ Although I liked how they finally shedded some light on the whole Jacks son shot himself situation.

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    I just recently watched this episode again for the first time in years. I think it holds up pretty well! A lot of nice moments between the fake Jack and Sarah. It's definitely stuff you would never see a lot of in the later seasons.

    7/10!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Descent View Post
    I just recently watched this episode again for the first time in years. I think it holds up pretty well! A lot of nice moments between the fake Jack and Sarah. It's definitely stuff you would never see a lot of in the later seasons.

    7/10!
    agreed!

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