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    Quote Originally Posted by sueKay
    I wish TPTB would revisit the Charlie storyling. I think that Jack has healed a lot since Charlie's death, but I still think he has some issues there, and always will have. It seems to have been forgotten too easily.
    It seems to me like they're always revisiting the Charlie storyline. Jack has a tendancy to project his desire to see his son again on every young moppet that passes through the stargate (see Show and Tell, Learning Curve, any Skaara episode). He's had a whole movie to get over his suicidal tendancies and another full episode to work things out with his ex-wife. I'd like to think that this is one personal demon Jack has left behind.

    Totally agree with you about Dumb Jack, though. He doesn't have to understand everything Carter talks about, but the least he could do is act *normal* as he does for the length of this episode.

    Other great things about this episode:
    • Yellow sand planet! The blue on yellow contrast gave the offworld scenes a truly otherworldly feel.
    • Teal'c ventures off base (without wearing a novelty hat).
    • Movie references galore.
    • A cool and unusual alien.
    • Great acting by RDA.
    • Supurb SFX work (Jack/Charlie morph, energy bolts, etc.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Dick
    It seems to me like they're always revisiting the Charlie storyline. Jack has a tendancy to project his desire to see his son again on every young moppet that passes through the stargate (see Show and Tell, Learning Curve, any Skaara episode). He's had a whole movie to get over his suicidal tendancies and another full episode to work things out with his ex-wife. I'd like to think that this is one personal demon Jack has left behind.

    Totally agree with you about Dumb Jack, though. He doesn't have to understand everything Carter talks about, but the least he could do is act *normal* as he does for the length of this episode.

    Other great things about this episode:
    • Yellow sand planet! The blue on yellow contrast gave the offworld scenes a truly otherworldly feel.
    • Teal'c ventures off base (without wearing a novelty hat).
    • Movie references galore.
    • A cool and unusual alien.
    • Great acting by RDA.
    • Supurb SFX work (Jack/Charlie morph, energy bolts, etc.)
    Completely agree, except the Charlie issue. That's just my opinion though !

    Awesome episode - no argument from me!

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    I really enjoyed this episode too. Sometimes you get tired of just seeing humans on other planets. Well, I'd say that these blue crystals are definitely non-humanoid (at least until you touch them)

    I don't know about the yellow playsand, though. It kind of gave it a Star Trek original series feel in my opinion. It just didn't look quite right.

    Teal'c gets his first glimpse of Earth in the show, we get to see how Charlie's incident happened, and we see some great acting by RDA. Very, very good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeaBee
    I agree. A bit of an up and down episode, OK, but only just.
    And in any case, there've been worse ones. Grr.

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    The crystals were kind of a cool idea & I found some of the scenes quite touching.

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    Good episode, it was good showing Jack happy and with his family. Crystals were cool

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    Quote Originally Posted by WraithWarrior
    Good episode, it was good showing Jack happy and with his family. Crystals were cool
    yeah but I wonder what about Sara she saw 2 Jack's and Charlie and knows about the stargate !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel's_twin
    I don't know about the yellow playsand, though. It kind of gave it a Star Trek original series feel in my opinion. It just didn't look quite right.
    You say Star Trek like it's a bad thing...!

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    With Kirk, without a doubt. Can't stand nothin' of his series but the Trouble with Tribbles.
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    Doing my best to bite my tongue...

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    What'? you can't honestly say that he did a good job. And the stories did pretty much stink. Very few are worth watching, unless you are a completely devoted Trekkie.

    No offense meant to anyone. IMHO, the first series stank with the stench of Netu.
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    And I'll back you up on that. Even my Mum would and she's the family Trekker(she originally got put off Trek by Kirk, it took a certain bald guy for Trek to redeem itself in her eyes). The films involving Kirk's crew are generally decent. Some of the books are good as well. But Trek TOS is only good for ripping the p out of.

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    And I can't talk at all, having hardly seen any Star Trek (had you going, didn't I?). I like the basic premise, and I saw a few of the movies on a marathon--a marathon that I saw because I was home sick with a fever of 102. Consequently I don't remember much of it. I just defend Star Trek because...I'll get back to you on this one. Maybe 'cause it's a classic. I dunno.

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    I liked that it was the first episode that (as far as the series goes) we learned more about Sarah & Charlie. And that the team, who’d only been together for a matter of months by this 6th episode (based on a dialogue line of Sam’s in the ep.) also were able to learn more about Jack’s private life since he’d kept very quiet about it. Even Daniel admitted to only knowing a wee bit about it at that point in the show.

    Yep Zats… Sarah did remind me of Sam too, tinkering with her car, in her overall demeanor, and in general looks…
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    I was watching this episode again today, and i noticed something that i had never noticed before. This was when Teal'c, sam and Danny are in the gate room and Teal'c shoots the crystal there with his staff weapon. The alarms go off and Teal'c exclaims, "You had permission for me to fire my staff weapon in the gate room?". Sam and Danny are all "Yeah, sure, uh, we did." I don't know why i never saw this before, but i just laughed so hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel's_twin
    What'? you can't honestly say that he did a good job. And the stories did pretty much stink. Very few are worth watching, unless you are a completely devoted Trekkie.

    No offense meant to anyone. IMHO, the first series stank with the stench of Netu.
    The thing about classic Star Trek that you absolutely cannot forget, was that it was the first sf television show besides Twilight Zone that both took itself seriously as a quality show (at least for the first two seasons) and was written and produced by people who knew science fiction well and dared to handle current events in a serious fashion. They were a quantum leap above every previous sf television show (except the Twilight Zone). Yes, compared to today's shows it was campy, overacted, and often just plain bad (which could be said of most late-sixties tv shows). Their handling of morals and themes could be ham-handed (but still better than later Trek series' blandly-mouthed platitudes!). The sets and set design were oftem literally composed of articles pulled out of dumpsters of other shows and spray-painted to look 'alien' (though according to the aesthetic of its time, it looked cool). And the acting often ... had problems. But without it, sf tv as we know it would not be possible.

    I'm not saying it was a great show by today's standards. Just that it was outstanding by the standards of its time, and paved the way for the shows I'd rather watch.
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    I'm just one of the newer generations, and maybe I could have taken the show. I've dealt with kinda bad storylines on TNG. It is just Kirk. I dislike him so much, it's almost un-Christian.
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    I love TNG, grew up on it, and season 1 apart remains my favourite sci fi show..

    Stargate is close though..

    anyway back on topic.. anyone else notice that the effect they used as the energy coming from the crystal to turn into duplicate o'neill ( the first ) is the same as the one they use for the ascended.. maybe the crystals and the ascended are connected somehow..

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    Yeah, I noticed the 'glowy' thing looked kinda familiar.
    I watched this ep yesterday. Was good seeing how little Sam knew about Jack and Daniel having to fill her in with the details.

    Watched the Nox today, stupidly expecting Fire and Water (must've read the wrong ep number in Sky One's website. The descriptions are less than basic) I'd totally forgotten the extent of the Nox's Bed Heads.

    It's hard, but I'm trying to catch as much of S1 as I can - some of it I've never seen (like F&W) and the contrast between S8 and S1 is...well, it's as it should be...it's different. Even Jack's hair...um...colour.

    Can't believe how many times SG1 get injured in S1 compared to S6,7,8. Maybe it's not trendy for the writers to include it now.
    Maybe it's just me.
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    Another favourite. A beautifully crafted character study and very poignant. And Jack's response when he returns from the planet never fails to make me laugh. Especially the expression on his face when he's hauled bodily off the ramp by the SFs. LOL! And the scene with Teal'c, Sam and Daniel when they fire the staff weapon and the bewildered "So's yours" from Daniel, when Teal'c complains that Earth is a weird place.

    There is something that always makes me wince though and that's the awkward, clumsy dialogue when Daniel fills Sam in on Jack's past and Charlie's death. It makes Sam look callous and uncaring. A kind of "Oh dear, how sad. Oh well, never mind, look a cool crystal!". And later, the same lack in the writing gives the same impression when she reports to Jack that she has a theory the alien might have gone to find Sara. I know that the fact that it's radioactive is important, but Sam adds in this fact like it's some kind of casual afterthought, with no real sense that she has any inkling this could be potentially dangerous for Sara and little sense of urgency. It's a weird little moment of delivery that always strikes a sour note for me.

    And then there's that poor crystal! It tells them its energy is fading and that if it doesn't get back to its planet it will die - So, do they react immediately with concern and dash it back to the gate and home so it will live? Nope. They all collectively turn their backs on it, start discussing the revelations it's given them, and leave it there! Hey, folks, hello, dying alien life form sitting on the desk here!

    But these little quibbles aside, this is one of the highlights of the season for me. A great episode.

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