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    And in a plot twist I really did not see coming: apparently, George Takei isn't happy about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pharaoh Hamenthotep View Post
    Has it been so far? Also.. New Spock is gay in real life.
    I never would have realized the actor playing the new spock was gay till you mentiond it..

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    Star Trek was founded on the idea of a better future, where the prejudices of today no longer exist.
    It was also founded somewhat on a socialist like utopia, where no one needs to work, no one gets paid, etc..

    Quote Originally Posted by Pharaoh Hamenthotep View Post
    Your disgust proves there is still a long way to go. Sulu being gay in this film is presented just like any other normal healthy relationship. Not 'in your face' like Spock/Uhura was in the first film. Or Kirk in bed with a woman in the first film, two in the second. But that's OK, right? Because they're straight....
    Disgust? I am not discusted, i just don't what someone's lifestyle tossed in my face.

    As to the whole kirk angle, THAT's part OF who his character is.. A womanizer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    I just don't what someone's lifestyle tossed in my face.

    As to the whole kirk angle, THAT's part OF who his character is.. A womanizer.
    Holy double standards, Batman!

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    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    It was also founded somewhat on a socialist like utopia, where no one needs to work, no one gets paid, etc..
    TNG era and later, yes. That's true. That is clear from Picard's explanation of the federation to Lily in First Contact.

    But TOS era was still a capitalist society, where people earned their own livings and had to compete. Thus, we had folks like Cyrano Jones, the private trader who dealt in tribbles, etc., Harry Mud, the miners who Mudd provided "wives" for and so forth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pharaoh Hamenthotep View Post
    Holy double standards, Batman!
    Holy crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    I never would have realized the actor playing the new spock was gay till you mentiond it..

    But that's the point I'm trying to make.. You're against gay Sulu because you don't want to see the "gay lifestyle" (whatever that means) being all "in your face"..

    And yet you can't spot an actual real life gay person when he's right in front of you..

    So, what are you really afraid of?

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    I say who cares it depends on how they do it as long as they dont beat us over the head with it & its a one time mention it wont annoy me one bit. But if the movie keeps reminding us about it throughout it wont bother me it all depends on how its done

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    I think there's been only one instance of gay characters on-screen that ever really irritated me.

    Almost a decade ago, Isaiah Washington, currently playing "Jaha" on "The 100" was playing a doctor on "Grey's Anatomy".
    Isiah made some comments at an awards show of some sort that the LGBT community found offensive, and the LGBT folks deluged ABC with protests and the like.
    ABC canned him from his role in the show. I have no problem with that. You shoot your mouth off in a public auditorium, and you're gonna pay the price.

    What bothers me is that for the next 3-4 years, they might have just renamed the show "Gay's Anatomy". The show focused on gay relationships in the show, primarily between Torres and the blonde baby doctor who lost a leg in the airliner crash (I forget her name) to the exclusion of almost everything else about the show. I presume that this was intended by ABC and the writers as a mea culpa to the LGBT folks.
    I don't care about if the relationship was gay or not. I just got so damned tired of the constant focusing upon that relationship. Half the time you would tune in and almost immediately "Oh, not these two again", Click.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DigiFluid View Post
    Probably all the Spock/Uhura scenes. How many times did they have to show their relationship in the first two films? They couldn't have made it any more obvious. It was practically the main storyline of the first film.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DigiFluid View Post
    Imagine something like suddenly out of no where women start hitting on Sulu & hes like "Im gay" repeating that for 5 minutes & even on the alien planet if the alien women show interest he keeps saying "i'm gay" they do gotta be careful with that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pharaoh Hamenthotep View Post
    But that's the point I'm trying to make.. You're against gay Sulu because you don't want to see the "gay lifestyle" (whatever that means) being all "in your face"..

    And yet you can't spot an actual real life gay person when he's right in front of you..

    So, what are you really afraid of?
    I am NOT against him being gay, just as long as its NOT done overtly/in your face. If you would open your eyes and actually read what the heck i write..

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    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    I am NOT against him being gay, just as long as its NOT done overtly/in your face. If you would open your eyes and actually read what the heck i write..
    Thats my worry as well they might have some strange random women on the ship show interest just so he can say hes gay when no ones shown interest before Paramount hopefully did not over do this

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRandomOne View Post
    Imagine something like suddenly out of no where women start hitting on Sulu & hes like "Im gay" repeating that for 5 minutes & even on the alien planet if the alien women show interest he keeps saying "i'm gay" they do gotta be careful with that
    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    I am NOT against him being gay, just as long as its NOT done overtly/in your face. If you would open your eyes and actually read what the heck i write..
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    Thats my worry as well they might have some strange random women on the ship show interest just so he can say hes gay when no ones shown interest before Paramount hopefully did not over do this
    So.. You're worried having an openly gay character is going to turn Star Trek into a Carry On film?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pharaoh Hamenthotep View Post
    So.. You're worried having an openly gay character is going to turn Star Trek into a Carry On film?
    We have enough drama with Spock & whats her face. People dont watch these movies because of a characters sexuality. They can make Kirk & Spock gay for each other for all I care. But if that romance was the main plot of a movie I would be turned off from it & quit this franchise. If this ends up feeling like its some propaganda like a certain Sony movie coming out next week I have no problem quitting this franchise. Paramount does have 2 be careful with how they do this people do not watch these movies for the romances after all

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    Someone find me the Futurama "oh wait, you're serious" meme
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRandomOne View Post
    We have enough drama with Spock & whats her face. People dont watch these movies because of a characters sexuality. <SNIP>
    ....people do not watch these movies for the romances after all
    Amen to that. Less heing and sheeing (or whatever and whatevering) and more sci fi, action, the kind of thing we watch these for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DigiFluid View Post
    Someone find me the Futurama "oh wait, you're serious" meme
    It will be the fans that decide this franchise's future depending on how they handle this

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRandomOne View Post
    It will be the fans that decide this franchise's future depending on how they handle this
    eh? This franchise's future is in no danger whatsoever from this. There might be a discussion or two, but that's it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pharaoh Hamenthotep View Post
    So.. You're worried having an openly gay character is going to turn Star Trek into a Carry On film?
    From my recollection of the carry on films there was few if anything gay about the characters. You might be thinking of "Are you being served"..

    Quote Originally Posted by Annoyed View Post
    Amen to that. Less heing and sheeing (or whatever and whatevering) and more sci fi, action, the kind of thing we watch these for.
    Exactly. I got into trek cause of the space battles and such.
    If i wanted socialization, i would watch a soap opera.

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