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    Quote Originally Posted by JMSwallow View Post
    Well, if you're looking for new SGA stuff, there's six original stories right here - http://www.bigfinish.com/Stargate-SG-1-and-Atlantis

    Just sayin'...
    Sorry I looked where are the new ones I have all the news on pre order an have had since the begining of this year but they keep getting the release dates pushed back an back an now thats March 2010. Thats what we are moaning about. An if you check Stargate Novels home page even they say all the new ones are still pending.

    So my gripe stands that the "new" ones havent been released yet an still keep getting pushed back. An I cant get my "new" fix of SGA
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMSwallow View Post
    Well, if you're looking for new SGA stuff, there's six original stories right here - http://www.bigfinish.com/Stargate-SG-1-and-Atlantis

    Just sayin'...


    I have those. But they aren't the novels we were discussing.

    My fav audio books, though, are Zero Point and Perchance To Dream. Love how those are read!

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    Anyone know where I can find 'Halycon' and 'The Chosen' without paying an arm, a leg or first born child for them? I have all the others and the rest on order. But those two are so elusive. I love SGA but I can't justify spending a $100 on a paperback. *sigh*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzieb View Post
    Anyone know where I can find 'Halycon' and 'The Chosen' without paying an arm, a leg or first born child for them? I have all the others and the rest on order. But those two are so elusive. I love SGA but I can't justify spending a $100 on a paperback. *sigh*
    Someone posted one page back on what to do to get them. Here is the link to their post
    http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost....1&postcount=75
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    Quote Originally Posted by gottaluvit View Post
    I have those. But they aren't the novels we were discussing.
    My point was, Atlantis Rocks said...

    the books are my only way to get a SGA fix
    ...and I was just noting that actually, no it isn't. There are many new original SGA audio dramas that are (if you'll pardon my bias) worth your time and money.

    Okay, OT maybe, as this is a "novels" thread, but I'm just trying to raise awareness of the audios as well as the books.

    And while I'm here: regarding delays in release dates. Please understand that Fandemonium is a very small company with a long and complex approval process to go through at every stage of production, and delays are often unavoidable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMSwallow View Post
    My point was, Atlantis Rocks said...



    ...and I was just noting that actually, no it isn't. There are many new original SGA audio dramas that are (if you'll pardon my bias) worth your time and money.

    Okay, OT maybe, as this is a "novels" thread, but I'm just trying to raise awareness of the audios as well as the books.

    And while I'm here: regarding delays in release dates. Please understand that Fandemonium is a very small company with a long and complex approval process to go through at every stage of production, and delays are often unavoidable.
    Ahh, yes. fair enough. I enjoy the audio books myself and when I'm really desperate for an Atlantis fix I'll even wander over to read some fan fiction (shhhh ) between novel releases.

    I think I mentioned earlier on that I understand the delay's can't be helped. We're just anxious to get our hands on more novels ASAP.

    In a way the delay has been good for me, I've started reading the SG1 novels and discovered I love them as much as the SGA ones (and I was never a great lover of SG1 as a show).

    The Audio books appeal to a wider audience then the novels IMO. I listen to them at night to unwind, and all three of my kids love them. I also have my 12yr old sons (who has high functioning autism) MP3 player loaded with them and he listens to them over and over. It's a great way of distracting him when he's in a situation that makes him anxious like crowded shopping malls etc.

    And of course, now we have the comic books as well to keep us hooked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elite Anubis Guard View Post
    Who cares? The quality of their books is worth the wait. Always.
    I would agree if it was true. But for example "Nightfall" was so riddled with ridiculous mistakes that it felt like it didn't go through an approval system at all. The gate wormhole goes both ways? Really? Since when? The one-way street is the point of the whole series. And the Atlantis gate "rattles"? Since when? It's stationary and digital. Though I could chalk that one up to the "author's flair", that they missed the first thing is inexcusable. And as I said, I work in this branch of publishing industry so I'm not pulling big words out of my butt - especially since one part of my job is to keep terms/names/settings in series consistent.

    I'm eternally grateful to Fandemonium for publishing these books, of that there's absolutely no doubt. But I am disappointed by the fact that they couldn't keep their publishing schedule if their lives depended on it
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    I have all the books except Nightfall and Do No Harm (which is currently on the way to me). So I have 23 out of the 25 novels. Of the lot, the only ones I count as being bad are City of the Gods and Entanglement. I count some as needing re-reads for clarification - Roswell, Mirror Mirror and Relativity.

    The others are wonderful reads where the authors get the show, the characters and what the fans love. Especially the women writers. They're best attuned to the side of the fanbase that loves these novels, I think.

    Now obviously I understand the concern with Nightfall. From what I've read on Amazon, there seems to be a few flaws with it which I do find a bit bewildering as James is on this forum and has quite a bit of SG literature beneath his belt so to miss something like that...

    But that's what the Ask the Author's thread is for.

    That said, having read the preview of the upcoming Dead End and the whole wormhole travel bit in that...I do see the concerns here. I hope the glaring inaccuracies are soon stomped out.

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    Mentioned it in the 'ask the authors' but Power Behind the Throne went to MGM today for approval - which I believe is a fairly slow process right now, but obviously the delay on it when it was 'Shadows' was ALL my fault and shouldn't be levelled at Fandy's door at all. Sometimes life gets in the way and no matter how much you wish it otherwise you're still prone to stupid stuff like illness, which knocked back my second pass on the manuscript by six months and basically killed the pub. schedule for the book. But it's done, I'm happy, Fandy are happy, and hopefully when it lands in your hands, you guys will be happy... so contrary to what I just read on amazon, nope, not been cancelled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elite Anubis Guard View Post
    I have all the books except Nightfall and Do No Harm (which is currently on the way to me). So I have 23 out of the 25 novels. Of the lot, the only ones I count as being bad are City of the Gods and Entanglement. I count some as needing re-reads for clarification - Roswell, Mirror Mirror and Relativity.

    The others are wonderful reads where the authors get the show, the characters and what the fans love. Especially the women writers. They're best attuned to the side of the fanbase that loves these novels, I think.
    I agree about the female writers (I actually enjoyed Entanglement quite a lot)! I don't know, their books are somehow... better. They pay much more attention to detail. I mean, there was this mishap where McKay drooled over a lemon cake when he's allergic to citrus in the show and Sonny Whitelaw made Ronon immune to feeding which is utter nonsense. But the books pay much more attention to the character interaction and they are not full of scientific babble and/or problems that in some cases (like Nightfall) end up being totally wrong which makes them laughable.

    Now obviously I understand the concern with Nightfall. From what I've read on Amazon, there seems to be a few flaws with it which I do find a bit bewildering as James is on this forum and has quite a bit of SG literature beneath his belt so to miss something like that...
    I was one of the people who was quite harsh in their review. Nightfall was the only SG book that got 3 stars from me because it was barely readable in places like:

    Spoiler:
    Yet another kidnapped!Keller plotline - Keller shouldn't have been a part of this mission at all, she's Atlantis' CMO and she has no place on a recon mission to a possibly hostile planet. The Marines go and search for a space ship on foot. And the fact that Teyla was time and time again called "the warrior woman" was quite silly.


    I freely admit that I had to force myself to finish it. I was very disappointed by that because I was quite looking forward to it after reading the synopsis

    That said, having read the preview of the upcoming Dead End and the whole wormhole travel bit in that...I do see the concerns here. I hope the glaring inaccuracies are soon stomped out.
    Please, please tell me that they won't screw up the whole gate wormhole again! Please. After reading about the two-way-street gate in Nightfall, I wrote to Mark over at Fandemonium and made him aware of the fact that in relation to the show, it's utter nonsense. Please, tell me that they actually paid attention to it this time?

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    It's not two way...it's that, well he made it an actual tunnel where they could pilot the Jumper through...:-/

    Onto a positive note though. Just finished Valhalla which I absolutely loved. Tim got the team down to a Tee. The story was very engaging and interesting. Was a story that hasn't really been broached in any of the novels so that was lovely to see. Esp a new Asgard character.

    Wasn't overly sure on Jonas' secondary story. Seemed a bit... disconnected from the a-story. That said, I did love having Jonas back and his development with Kianna. Was really cool. I definitely recommend that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elite Anubis Guard View Post
    It's not two way...it's that, well he made it an actual tunnel where they could pilot the Jumper through...:-/
    *head/desk* Did the author even watch SG? Any SG at all?

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    Honestly there's been a couple of mistakes in a few of the books. But I think there were a hell of a lot more in the shows themselves. I don't find it a huge deal, just something to point out to the author so that he/she will be aware if it and avoid that mistake again.

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    I've only read two of the books so far. I've got Hydra as it came free with my Stargate Magazine subscription, and although I found it a bit confusing keeping up with story it did inspire me to head to the local library to read some more. I thought Sacrifice Moon was brilliant. Much easier to read and follow. Also, the story was so well written, I could actually imagine the characters interacting with each other which made it far more enjoyable. I think I've got Trial By Fire on reserve next so hoping that will be as good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katikatnik View Post
    *head/desk* Did the author even watch SG? Any SG at all?

    I know I shouldn't poke my nose in here, but you do realise we don't just 'make stuff up' but actually go through a stringent approval process that isn't merely the editors at Fandemonium but involves it going to the relevant authorities at MGM who read not only the finished novel but also the outline and pitch right at the beginning, so if something as radical as a two-way gate is done, it is done with the creators/owners of the show's blessing. They *have* to approve everything. Not a word can go to print without their agreement.

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    I know I shouldn't poke my nose in here, but you do realise we don't just 'make stuff up' but actually go through a stringent approval process that isn't merely the editors at Fandemonium but involves it going to the relevant authorities at MGM who read not only the finished novel but also the outline and pitch right at the beginning, so if something as radical as a two-way gate is done, it is done with the creators/owners of the show's blessing. They *have* to approve everything. Not a word can go to print without their agreement.
    Of that I have no doubt. I just don't get how the author could change the basic rules of the universe he was writing in? I mean, if it was his original story, his universe, he would be more than welcome. But this? That the approval system didn't catch that was simply bad job done and who ever is approving the books, is obviously the wrong person for it. But that the author came up with it in the first place?

    The gate wormhole is one of the most established things in the franchise - it goes one way and it's not a real tunnel, no matter what it looks like, it's all about the disintegration and reintegration of particles. It's used in every episode, every fan knows of the 38 minutes window that the gate can stay open and nothing can come through from the opposite side, it's been the point of several episodes. Changing that is like making Sheppard a bad pilot - not respecting established rules. The reader is jarred out of the plot.

    I mean, I can understand such things when authors are hired to write for a show and delve in with little or no previous knowledge. But when the author claims to be a fan of the show and makes mistakes like that? It's not a small thing - almost every review points out this nonsense. Maybe authors shouldn't rely on the approval system so much and do research on their own? If he asked about it, everybody would have told him it was not possible.

    I admit that I sound disgruntled but I am a loyal fan of SG-1/SGA (especially of SGA) and such things give tie-ins bad rep.

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    Just ordered Valhalla from http://www.whona.com/, a site that I have found ships pretty quickly. I'm so excited to get it!

    A question for those who have read this book: What season is it in? I know that the cover shows only Jack, Sam, Teal'c, and Jonas, but it also mentions Kyanna and the fact that Jonas is working on Langara on the back cover, which leads me to think that it's more season 7. Is it set before or after "Fallout"? Thanks! ~Jess

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamJackShipper93 View Post
    Just ordered Valhalla from http://www.whona.com/, a site that I have found ships pretty quickly. I'm so excited to get it!

    A question for those who have read this book: What season is it in? I know that the cover shows only Jack, Sam, Teal'c, and Jonas, but it also mentions Kyanna and the fact that Jonas is working on Langara on the back cover, which leads me to think that it's more season 7. Is it set before or after "Fallout"? Thanks! ~Jess
    I think it's set after S6. I haven't read it yet but from various reviews, that's how I understand it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamJackShipper93 View Post
    Just ordered Valhalla from http://www.whona.com/, a site that I have found ships pretty quickly. I'm so excited to get it!

    A question for those who have read this book: What season is it in? I know that the cover shows only Jack, Sam, Teal'c, and Jonas, but it also mentions Kyanna and the fact that Jonas is working on Langara on the back cover, which leads me to think that it's more season 7. Is it set before or after "Fallout"? Thanks! ~Jess
    It's set after "Fallout" and before Cam joins the team. Beyond that, there's no clear placement I could figure out.

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    But this? That the approval system didn't catch that was simply bad job done and who ever is approving the books, is obviously the wrong person for it. But that the author came up with it in the first place?

    Again, I really don't think that's right. The writer has pitched the idea because it is something he thinks could be fun to explore - something that contradicts everything we think we know about the universe - the notion is pitched to MGM not once but twice, first as a raw concept where MGM have been asked 'hey how about we explore this?' and they have actively agreed it would be interesting to do so. The books are an avenue to explore things that can't be explored on screen. Then when the book is written with all of the 'different logic' presented MGM again get to see it and decide that yes it works within the strictures of Stargate.

    It really isn't a case of someone making a mistake. It's a deliberate decision by the author, who knows full well that in the shows the gates work in one way, but has thought, hey, what if there were one exception that proves the rule, like the first time they dial the 8th chevron, or last week the 9th... it's never been done before, suddenly it is done... it's a process of evolving the universe.

    And you know what? The author knows full well he's convincing MGM to take a leap, and fans are going to think 'christ this muppet is clueless' but he isn't, he's playing with the toys in a way you aren't used to.

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