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    Default Ori vs Wraith Battles

    In a battle between the wraith and the Ori who do you think would win?

    The Ori have superior ships and technology but the Wraith have strength in numbers, and their life sucking ability. Personally I think that the Wraith may have a slight chance of winning, but becase of the Milky Way Galaxy's fight with the Ori, I think that the Ori have a better change of coming out on top.

    What you you all think

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    Default Re: Ori vs Wraith Battle

    I think if it was every Hive in Pagasus Vs. every toilet ship in the Milky Way then the Wraith would win...

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    Default Re: Ori vs Wraith Battle

    We still have no idea how the Ori shield is powered. From what I see its powered from what looks like a mini-ZPM.

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    Default Re: Ori vs Wraith Battle

    If it were all the factions of the Wraith with all the Hive ships Vs. the Ori in the MW, the Wraith hands down. The same way they were on the verge of beating the Ancients. VAST numbers.

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    Default Re: Ori vs Wraith Battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Cap116 View Post
    If it were all the factions of the Wraith with all the Hive ships Vs. the Ori in the MW, the Wraith hands down. The same way they were on the verge of beating the Ancients. VAST numbers.
    There is one the other hand the ancients in the avalon galaxy could have become more advanced before they totally acended, hell for all we know the ori battle ships could be way more advanced than the ancient battleships in the Pegasus galaxy, even resistant against drones.

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    Default Re: Ori vs Wraith Battle

    We don't really know enough about both of them to really make a very good prediction, especially the Ori.

    I'm not as impressed with the Ori now as I was at first after the recent episodes either. It looks now like the only reason their ships seem so uber is because their weapons are really good at shooting down shields. The Wraith don't rely on shields for defence, they rely on hull armour that's a great deal stronger than the dirt and rocks that mountain on Dakara was made of. The mountain an Ori ship had to deathbeam a half dozen times to so to even begin to damage.

    The Ori could still win but if they do it'll be because of reasons other than their ships hugely outclassing Wraith ones 1 on 1.

    If anything the Wraith otuclass them, but mainly only because their ships tend to be so ungodly huge by comparison.

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    Default Re: Ori vs Wraith Battle

    Are the Wraith ships THAT strong? I dont think so... we have never seen them in battle against any other ships then our own, we dont know how they would fare against an Asgard or Jaffa fleet. I doubt even Wraith ships would penetrate the Ori shields, maybe if they outnumber them 2000 to 1.

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    Default Re: Ori vs Wraith Battle

    Quote Originally Posted by boberth2o View Post
    In a battle between the wraith and the Ori who do you think would win?

    The Ori have superior ships and technology but the Wraith have strength in numbers, and their life sucking ability. Personally I think that the Wraith may have a slight chance of winning, but becase of the Milky Way Galaxy's fight with the Ori, I think that the Ori have a better change of coming out on top.

    What you you all think
    I beleive the wraith, The Ori and the Ancients are very Similer.

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    Default Re: Ori vs Wraith Battle

    Has anyone thought that their wouldn't be a battle. They probably would become allies. The Ori would give them the planets that won't worship them for their feeding grounds.

    To get back on the subject, The Ori would probably win because they are ascended like the Acients.

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    Default Re: Ori vs Wraith Battle

    Quote Originally Posted by boberth2o View Post
    In a battle between the wraith and the Ori who do you think would win?

    The Ori have superior ships and technology but the Wraith have strength in numbers, and their life sucking ability. Personally I think that the Wraith may have a slight chance of winning, but becase of the Milky Way Galaxy's fight with the Ori, I think that the Ori have a better change of coming out on top.

    What you you all think
    If the Ori shield tech is similar to the Lantean tech, the Ori could get surprised by some nasty ZPM draining weapon of doom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freek View Post
    Are the Wraith ships THAT strong? I dont think so... we have never seen them in battle against any other ships then our own, we dont know how they would fare against an Asgard or Jaffa fleet. I doubt even Wraith ships would penetrate the Ori shields, maybe if they outnumber them 2000 to 1.
    Well apparently as of the last episode
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    even late war Wraith cruisers are enough to "be too much for" an ancient Aurora class battleship with a ZPM on board
    so in a nutshell, yeah, they certainly seem to be that strong.

    Some of the bolts a hive fires have actually been bigger than the Ori uber cannon shots to. They just don't look it because the entire ship is so huge as well it tends to make the bolts look smaller.

    Here's one that doesn't look small though.



    It's true that the Ori shields are a bit of an unknown right now but in light of that thing about the cruisers I spoilered they don't seem like they'd be too huge a deal unless they're massively better than ancient shields.

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    Hmm, interesting. Still, the Ori have the number advantage in the long run, plus the fact that they have ancient knowledge and have been able to develop it for 1000's of years since the ancients left. Seeing how the Ori ships fare against Goa'uld / Asgard / Earth ships, I dont think we have even seen their fullest potential.

    However, seeing that both their ships are basically stronger then what any other race has, I think a battle between the two races would be great to watch. In the end though, I think the Ori would win, thanks to their massive numbers, followers, supreme technology (not just in weapons) and the fact that they're well... ascended being, their priors would wtfpwn any wraith in combat.

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    Default Re: Ori vs Wraith Battle

    Spoiler:
    Obviously the Wraith didn't manage to drain their ZPM, seeing as how they still have it functioning post battle. Hence, the damage would have either had to occur from a) the fact that the shield malfunctioned, or b) the fact that the shields don't defy the laws on conserving energy/momentum, which is why you still see the ship shaking whenever the shield gets hit. Shields historically do not cancel out energy, they merely disperse it, the same way that physical shields do in real life.

    It would be roughly equivalent to putting a bunch of eggs into a steel can, and the throwing that can across the room. Even if the can (shield) itself is undamaged, the eggs inside (ship) are not.

    Hence, the Wraith cruisers would not need to outpower the shields in this scenario (And obviously, they couldn't have short of malfunction, or the ZPM would be dead.). They would only need to shake the ship a bit. The other option is that the shields were malfunction, or that the ship simply ran out of drones.


    The Ori main advantages her is that they can outrun the Wraith ships, meaning that they can drop in, shoot a few, and zip into hyperspace if they ever get damaged to recharge their shields. They also don't use expendable weaponry, like the Ancients, so they don't have to worry about running out.

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    I can't imagine the Wraith would win in a war between the two.

    The Wraith only cull planets every so often, right? It seems pretty clear that's more than enough time for a Prior to convert a planet (or else a crusading army to conquer it). We've also seen planets with limited technology build advanced weapons technologies ("Ethon", "Crusade") under Prior tutelage, so it also doesn't seem that much of a stretch that Ori-controlled worlds would rapidly become militarized.

    Hell, I can even see the Priors literally demonizing the Wraith to motivate people to holy war against them. After all, these people have a generations-inborn fear and hatred of the Wraith, how much of a stretch is it to make them the evil offspring of the "demonic" Ancients?

    Rallying all of Pegasus into a holy crusade against the Wraith. Imagine that.
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    Default Re: Ori vs Wraith Battle

    and even in the prime, with the ancients at their full power (where they controlled most of the galexy) and the populations of worlds were BRIMMING.

    The Wraith pushed them back over a hundred years, without really slowing down, because of numbers, now the entire pegasus galexy is not much more then a few low level or mid level civilizations here and there, because in the 10,000 years after the ancients left. how many cullings were there?

    even the entire galexy militerized by the ancients wasn't enough.

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    The ori would win easily imo, the wraith aren't even a threat to them. The Ori are much much more aggressive than the ancients were and also seem to be better tactical thinkers. Also the ancients in pegasus were split, they weren't a united force like everyone think, take 'the long goobye' for example, those two worlds were at war with each other, the ori are a united force.

    Yes it's true the wraith have vast numbers but not nearly as many as the ori have. They have an entire galaxy and probably about half the milkyway galaxy on their side and considering how much larger the milkyway is than pegasus I'd say those numbers far exceed that of the wraith. So in a ground battle the Ori will have superior numbers and technology on their side.

    Now ship battles, darts against the Ori raiders, my money's on the raiders, based on gateworld and wiki those ships have some kind of shielding, they have ori weaponary and are greater in size. I think darts would outnumber the ori raiders but it would take atleast half a dozen maybe more darts to take out a single raider, granted these are only assumptions as we haven't seen much of the Ori raiders.

    Now the big ships, the hive vs the ori warship, obviously one on one a hive doesn't stand a chance, infact I'd say only 10 against 1 will the wraith be victorious. Yes hive ships are massive, based on what I've seen ori warships are about 2/3's the size of a hive but the Ori warships have much greater shielding that the wraith would have to beat down alot in order to do damage. Also we don't known the material the actual ships are made out of, if it's the same as the material used in the supergate then it's hull will be tougher than even a hives. Wraith weapons seem quite good but not nearly enough to beat an Ori warship, the beam would take out a hive in atleast 2 shots I reckon and that isn't even counting the secondary fire which is much more rapid than wraith weapons and probably on par in terms of effectiveness (taking out a ha'tak in about 5 shots).

    Now all the hive ships in pegasus against all the ori warships in the milkyway ofcourse the wraith would win, 60 hives against 3 warships. However the main Ori fleet isn't even here yet, they have dozens and dozens of more ships in their galaxy, all they'd need to do is send maybe 10 of those ships though a supergate and the wraith would be overwhelmed. On all fronts the wraith can't win, infact logically no other race we know of (including Asurans) would be able to overwhelm the Ori, they're the ultimate enemy with greater numbers and technology than any other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kirmit View Post
    The ori would win easily imo, the wraith aren't even a threat to them. The Ori are much much more aggressive than the ancients were and also seem to be better tactical thinkers. Also the ancients in pegasus were split, they weren't a united force like everyone think, take 'the long goobye' for example, those two worlds were at war with each other, the ori are a united force.
    I don't think Phebes and I can't even remember the guy's name were Ancients though, actually i think it's stated they are not.

    Yes it's true the wraith have vast numbers but not nearly as many as the ori have. They have an entire galaxy and probably about half the milkyway galaxy on their side and considering how much larger the milkyway is than pegasus I'd say those numbers far exceed that of the wraith. So in a ground battle the Ori will have superior numbers and technology on their side.
    In a ground...battle. Now vs normal Ori troops? (Not a Prior) I think the wraith have the advantage, including numbers in this, with each hive ship carrying thousands of wraith, which are basically super human, they take a incredible amount of firepower to kill (ref: "The Defiant One")

    Now ship battles, darts against the Ori raiders, my money's on the raiders, based on gateworld and wiki those ships have some kind of shielding, they have ori weaponary and are greater in size. I think darts would outnumber the ori raiders but it would take atleast half a dozen maybe more darts to take out a single raider, granted these are only assumptions as we haven't seen much of the Ori raiders.
    This is a snippit of information from Wikipedia.

    The Ori are essentially the same race as the Ancients. However, the two groups split millions of years ago to avoid a war. Thus, the Ori's technology is as advanced as the Ancients. As a body, the Ori are completely Ascended, and they often use this to further enhance the effects of their technology. Overall, all of their efforts, including their technology, are for the purpose of garnering worshippers. For every person who donates his or her free will to the Ori, via an extremely complex metaphysical process, the Ori gain power, and hope to wipe out the Ancients.
    I don't think it's as hard to take out a raider..

    Now the big ships, the hive vs the ori warship, obviously one on one a hive doesn't stand a chance, infact I'd say only 10 against 1 will the wraith be victorious. Yes hive ships are massive, based on what I've seen ori warships are about 2/3's the size of a hive but the Ori warships have much greater shielding that the wraith would have to beat down alot in order to do damage. Also we don't known the material the actual ships are made out of, if it's the same as the material used in the supergate then it's hull will be tougher than even a hives. Wraith weapons seem quite good but not nearly enough to beat an Ori warship, the beam would take out a hive in atleast 2 shots I reckon and that isn't even counting the secondary fire which is much more rapid than wraith weapons and probably on par in terms of effectiveness (taking out a ha'tak in about 5 shots).
    I'm a little skeptical, about it taking 10 Wraith HIVE Ships, to take out a single warship. doing a bit more reading from wikipedia, i say 2 or 3 ships would take on a ori ship, for one thing.

    The shields are ultra weak right after firing their main cannon, now we know wraith ships can lay down a incredible wall of firepower when needed(ref: the seige part 2) i think it's a matter on who's tactically smarter, as the wraith ships got alot stronger towards the end of the ancient/wraith war.

    I can see 10 cruisers != 1 Ori battleship, but not Hive ships.

    Now all the hive ships in pegasus against all the ori warships in the milkyway ofcourse the wraith would win, 60 hives against 3 warships. However the main Ori fleet isn't even here yet, they have dozens and dozens of more ships in their galaxy, all they'd need to do is send maybe 10 of those ships though and the wraith would be overwhelmed. On all fronts the wraith can't win, infact logically no other race we know of (including Asurans) would be able to overwhelm the Ori, they're the ultimate enemy with greater numbers and technology than any other.

    I don't think it's so simple, the wraith have the uncanny ability to adapt VERY quickly, even going as so far as finding counters to technology they've never encounted, like the Asgard transporter tech. and forget the fact if Wraith boarded the ori ships in MASS numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kharaa View Post
    I don't think Phebes and I can't even remember the guy's name were Ancients though, actually i think it's stated they are not.
    Exactly so the whole Galaxy were not ancients, and would not of all been united, though we could see their technology was nearly as or on par with ancients.

    Quote Originally Posted by kharaa View Post
    In a ground...battle. Now vs normal Ori troops? (Not a Prior) I think the wraith have the advantage, including numbers in this, with each hive ship carrying thousands of wraith, which are basically super human, they take a incredible amount of firepower to kill (ref: "The Defiant One")
    Like I've said with the numbers, the wraith will not outnumber the combined ori forces of their galaxy and of what they've converted in the Milkyway, if the Ori knew the wraith were coming they'd train more warriors and equip them. In terms of the wraith resiliance well we've seen ori staff blast does not act as a normal staff blast, it seems to do more internal damage before causing the body to shut down.

    Quote Originally Posted by kharaa View Post
    This is a snippit of information from Wikipedia.
    No it wasn't

    Quote Originally Posted by kharaa View Post
    I don't think it's as hard to take out a raider..
    If they do have the suggested shielding then yes it will be however like I said we haven't seen enough of them to give a clear assumption.



    Quote Originally Posted by kharaa View Post
    I'm a little skeptical, about it taking 10 Wraith HIVE Ships, to take out a single warship. doing a bit more reading from wikipedia, i say 2 or 3 ships would take on a ori ship, for one thing.

    The shields are ultra weak right after firing their main cannon, now we know wraith ships can lay down a incredible wall of firepower when needed(ref: the seige part 2) i think it's a matter on who's tactically smarter, as the wraith ships got alot stronger towards the end of the ancient/wraith war.

    I can see 10 cruisers != 1 Ori battleship, but not Hive ships.
    If the Ori shields are anywhere close to the Atlantis shield which I think they are it would take hours maybe even days for 3 hives to drain them. In which time the ori beam can take out the hives in 2 maybe 3 shots whilst the secondary fire takes care of crucial weak points like the dart bays. About the fluctuation in the shields, that's what it is a fluctuation they don't get ultra weak and isn't even nearly even time for any blasts to get through, that's why the team suggested beaming but as the wraith don't seem to be able to do this they wouldn't be able to take out the ship.

    Quote Originally Posted by kharaa View Post
    I don't think it's so simple, the wraith have the uncanny ability to adapt VERY quickly, even going as so far as finding counters to technology they've never encounted, like the Asgard transporter tech. and forget the fact if Wraith boarded the ori ships in MASS numbers.
    For the wraith to board them then shields would have to be drained and like I said them won't get the time to do that.

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    Wraith have superior numbers/military strength overall, but Orii ahve ascended knwoledge & superior tehnology; so would have to say the Orii hands down - although we still don't enough about both races to say whom would win indefinately (although i reckon the Wraith would hurt them a hell of alot & go down fighting unto the last individual warrior before being defeated!). . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by boberth2o View Post
    There is one the other hand the ancients in the avalon galaxy could have become more advanced before they totally acended, hell for all we know the ori battle ships could be way more advanced than the ancient battleships in the Pegasus galaxy, even resistant against drones.
    Well I'm not sure about that The Ori ha e got to have reason to stay away from earth and it might be the drones on earth they might still think we still have it runing like the rest of the galaxy. Besides why would the anicnets build ships impervous to drones when only ancients can run the drones.

    As for the fight the Wraith would win in a fight against the Milky way Ori ships but as for a all-in-war battle it would last a long-long-long time but the Ori would get sick of it and use there power to end it then earth would be more ready for the ori army.
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