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    ok so i watched "the gathering" and payed attention all the way through for the first time. The story wasn't bad, the acting wasn't tooo bad... but the CGI was HORRIBLE. It would go from the interior gritty space station to the exterior Saturday morning cartoon. Please tell me the CGI gets better quickly.

    Does it?
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    SG1/SGA are not Drama/Soap although some elements are touched on to add depth to these action/adventure series. If you want to see a show focused on Soap/Drama go watch BSG or Days of our Lives.

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    it does, at least imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumper_One View Post
    it does, at least imo
    thank god.

    I mean CGI isn't everything... but wow... it actually took away from the show. I would rather them not have showed anything.
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    SG1/SGA are not Drama/Soap although some elements are touched on to add depth to these action/adventure series. If you want to see a show focused on Soap/Drama go watch BSG or Days of our Lives.

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    It gets a ton better. There's only so much you can do with a pilot's limited budget in 1994.

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    Oh yes, it absolutely gets better. Especially in the 3rd and 4th seasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bytor View Post
    ok so i watched "the gathering" and payed attention all the way through for the first time. The story wasn't bad, the acting wasn't tooo bad... but the CGI was HORRIBLE. It would go from the interior gritty space station to the exterior Saturday morning cartoon. Please tell me the CGI gets better quickly.

    Does it?
    you have to remember that this is the first television show to use CGI heavily and it is the first episode of the series so of course it's going to look bad

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffala View Post
    It gets a ton better. There's only so much you can do with a pilot's limited budget in 1994.

    I expected something better than the Original Star Trek. I was wrong.
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    Drama: A drama film is a film genre that depends mostly on in-depth development of realistic characters dealing with emotional themes

    SG1/SGA are not Drama/Soap although some elements are touched on to add depth to these action/adventure series. If you want to see a show focused on Soap/Drama go watch BSG or Days of our Lives.

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    You're talking about two completely different mediums.

    TOS used models with matte paintings (if they were even that "advanced"). B5 was the first large-scale use of CGI in a television series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bytor View Post
    ok so i watched "the gathering" and payed attention all the way through for the first time. The story wasn't bad, the acting wasn't tooo bad... but the CGI was HORRIBLE. It would go from the interior gritty space station to the exterior Saturday morning cartoon. Please tell me the CGI gets better quickly.

    Does it?
    What cut of the Gathering did you watch? The original from 1992 or the redone TNT version from 1998. Because the TNT cut is 100 times more watchable. CGI is still almost 20 years old but it is what it is.
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    Babylon 5 is not a series for you if you are mainly interested in CGI, but if you are interested in character growth and a wonderful overall storyline then it's up there with the best.

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    So is there anyone else here who wouldn't mind a remastered Babylon 5 with updated CGI for the whole series? At the very least, I would like to see an updated effect for the PPG weapon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prior Master View Post
    So is there anyone else here who wouldn't mind a remastered Babylon 5 with updated CGI for the whole series? At the very least, I would like to see an updated effect for the PPG weapon.

    I think most effects have held up really well. Would be cool, but I sure woldn't rebuy because of fresher effects.

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    I agree. I happily watch the show today and still enjoy the effects.
    Remastering everything just to keep up with the audience of 'today'? I hate it. You'll have to remaster a show every ten years at that rate, if not more often. Just leave the original as it was and move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suse View Post
    I think most effects have held up really well. Would be cool, but I sure woldn't rebuy because of fresher effects.

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    I guess they could redo the effects for a blue-ray release, and any other future new-format releases.

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    but one thing
    cgi of b5 is fare more les itriating than cgi of cruade
    sorry cant spell

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    Unless something happens like a successful movie, I doubt the series will be re-released in near future. Warner Bros. lost all the original cgi files for ships, planets etc.

    The Lost Tales had less CGI than JMS originally wanted due to cost of rebuilding the computer models for the spaceships. That is the main reason there is only one type of Centauri capital ship and one type of Earth capital ship and fighter. The only new addition was the new Presidental cruiser.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nx01a View Post
    I agree. I happily watch the show today and still enjoy the effects.
    Remastering everything just to keep up with the audience of 'today'? I hate it. You'll have to remaster a show every ten years at that rate, if not more often. Just leave the original as it was and move on.
    I agree with this, to a point. I think B5 is a special situation since they filmed in widescreen for the regular shots (which made it to the current dvds) but not for the FX shots, so they look worse now on DVD than they did in the original 4:3 broadcasts. I think a fix of that problem would be great, but I don't think it would be cost effective for them at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redhooks View Post
    Unless something happens like a successful movie, I doubt the series will be re-released in near future. Warner Bros. lost all the original cgi files for ships, planets etc.

    The Lost Tales had less CGI than JMS originally wanted due to cost of rebuilding the computer models for the spaceships. That is the main reason there is only one type of Centauri capital ship and one type of Earth capital ship and fighter. The only new addition was the new Presidental cruiser.
    Indeed. And JMS is on record thanking the dedicated fans who had created wireframe models and renders that TLT could and did use as a starting point for the CGI we do see. TLT looks very slick, but I still wish they'd spent more of the money on hiring extras to fill the empty corridors of the station, or otherwise explained the emptiness (i.e. the station was losing its importance as a central, neutral trading post and diplomatic center and would eventually be decommissioned). As it is, TLT looks cheap in spite of the impressive CGI.
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    The cgi in TLT was, for me... generic. It's today's standard, I'm accustomed to it now. The back-in-the-day effects continue to make me smile, though, considering how old [relatively speaking] they are, as well as the nostalgia.

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    I love B5's CGI, even the original "Gathering" print. I think it's amazing that it looks so good. B5 did not have a big budget, unfortunately, and the ability of Ron Thornton & his staff to churn out impressive CGI pleasantly surprises me.

    And "The Gathering" was given a CGI facelift in 1998. That's the version on DVD, but the iTunes version is the original print.

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