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    I liked this episode as well cuz we got 2 kno a little bit more about teal'c and his personality. I was hoping they would b able 2 remove the goa'uld from kowalsky, but the whole episode i had a feeling it wasn't gonna happen. I liked kawalsky and was sad 2 c him die, but in the end sg1 got teal'c 2 join them officially so that was nice.

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    From information I have seen the reason Kawalski was killed off in "The Enemy Within" was because he already had another TV deal lined up and didn't want to stay on board. He was given a choice to remain with SG-1 or move on to the other project. He chose the latter. While I don't know which TV series he went to or even if that is true there is precedent for this kind of thing. In 1974 McLean Stevenson was up for contract renewal for his character of Colonel Henry Blake in MASH. At the time he had to decide between staying on or going to another production with another network. After a great deal of negotiations with CBS and Larry Gelbart, Stevenson chose to walk as he believed MASH would not stay on the air very long. The studio felt betrayed and thus added that shocking final scene in his last episode where Radar explains in the OR his plane was shot down and his character was killed. Unfortunately for Stevenson his prediction was not entirely accurate (if I may borrow a phrase from Col. O'Neill). MASH would go on to win critical acclaim, numerous emmys and enjoy top 3 ratings for another nine years. Thats Hollywood. It happens.
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    I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Wizard of Oz reference in this episode. It was the first one ever. “That’s right Dorothy, it was all a dream.”

    Overall, pretty good. Too bad Kawalsky had to go.

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    Again, I'm rewatching all episodes after I've seen the entire SG-1 series, and then letting myself forget every little detail before I rewatch it.

    In this episode, I think the main point was that we (the audience) were already supposed to be somewhat attached to Kawalsky since the character was in the original Stargate movie, and that being said, he was picked by the writers to be sacrificed, since we liked him, so that we would always know from now on that the SGC protocol would be to check the SG teams for evidence of a Goa'uld presence. After this episode, we now place our faith into the SGC's ability to protect itself from a direct Goa'uld infestation. I think that was the whole point of this episode.

    I also think that Jack figured out that the radiation from a Stargate would probably kill a Goa'uld just because the radiation from a Stargate is just that dangerous to any living things on Earth. The SGC always has a rad team sweep in to clean up after an SG team returns. He knew Kawalsky died on the surgical table after the Goa'uld must have gained control. The Goa'uld threat had to be eliminated, so he told Teal'c to hold him there on purpose, knowing the wormhole radiation would vaporize said threat.
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    i like this episode. i wish kawalski did not have to die. poor jack. RDA played well the part of a friend and commander fearing for kawalski's life while managing to still be a smartass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starshineRoxie View Post
    Again, I'm rewatching all episodes after I've seen the entire SG-1 series, and then letting myself forget every little detail before I rewatch it.

    In this episode, I think the main point was that we (the audience) were already supposed to be somewhat attached to Kawalsky since the character was in the original Stargate movie, and that being said, he was picked by the writers to be sacrificed, since we liked him, so that we would always know from now on that the SGC protocol would be to check the SG teams for evidence of a Goa'uld presence. After this episode, we now place our faith into the SGC's ability to protect itself from a direct Goa'uld infestation. I think that was the whole point of this episode.

    I also think that Jack figured out that the radiation from a Stargate would probably kill a Goa'uld just because the radiation from a Stargate is just that dangerous to any living things on Earth. The SGC always has a rad team sweep in to clean up after an SG team returns. He knew Kawalsky died on the surgical table after the Goa'uld must have gained control. The Goa'uld threat had to be eliminated, so he told Teal'c to hold him there on purpose, knowing the wormhole radiation would vaporize said threat.
    First I agree that learning that the SGC could withstand a direct threat from the Goa'uld was a a main point. However, I also believe that it was about learning more about the way a Goa'uld takes control of a human host. We learn much about the reason for why the Goa'uld need the Jaffa. We learn this both in the interview with Teal'c and in Kawalsky's fight with the infant Goa'uld.

    Second I am not sure the you would call it radiation. See what happened was, all of the molecules that made up the back of Kawalsky's head were demolecularized in order to be sent through the wormhole, when the gate was shut off all of those molecules simply ceased to exist. They were not burned by radiation, they were just gone.

    I like this episode. i wish kawalski did not have to die. poor jack. RDA played well the part of a friend and commander fearing for kawalski's life while managing to still be a smartass.
    I think TPTB killed off Kawalsky for a number of reasons, but it was most likely the fact that he just didn't really fit into the puzzle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starshineRoxie View Post
    Again, I'm rewatching all episodes after I've seen the entire SG-1 series, and then letting myself forget every little detail before I rewatch it.

    In this episode, I think the main point was that we (the audience) were already supposed to be somewhat attached to Kawalsky since the character was in the original Stargate movie, and that being said, he was picked by the writers to be sacrificed, since we liked him, so that we would always know from now on that the SGC protocol would be to check the SG teams for evidence of a Goa'uld presence. After this episode, we now place our faith into the SGC's ability to protect itself from a direct Goa'uld infestation. I think that was the whole point of this episode.

    I also think that Jack figured out that the radiation from a Stargate would probably kill a Goa'uld just because the radiation from a Stargate is just that dangerous to any living things on Earth. The SGC always has a rad team sweep in to clean up after an SG team returns. He knew Kawalsky died on the surgical table after the Goa'uld must have gained control. The Goa'uld threat had to be eliminated, so he told Teal'c to hold him there on purpose, knowing the wormhole radiation would vaporize said threat.
    I'm rewatching a whole lot of SG-1 episodes, but this time I'm going to comment on every one!

    I think Kawalsky was killed off because he was the only other character from the original film. I don't think this was because of any attachment we may have felt, but because he wasn't going to be a member of SG-1. He was given his own team to lead, but that team wasn't going to feature on a regular basis. So, if a major character from the film isn't going to have a major role in the series, the character has to go.

    O'Neill knew that whatever was pushed through the event horizon would de-molecularize. Shutting off the Stargate with part Kawalsky's head through the event horizon would destroy his head, killing him. The rad team was probably checking that nothing the Goa'uld sent through had caused any major radiation problems. We don't see them in other episodes, so radiation from the Stargate isn't the issue here.


    Now my own thoughts. This is a good episode, showing the SGC's ability to defend itself from Goa'uld incursion and their willingness to sacrifice themselves and the base to prevent an attack via the Stargate. It also shows Hammond's willingness to fight for his men, even against people who have been given orders from a higher authority.

    What did surprise me, though, is that Dr. Warner thought the Goa'uld had been dealt with, even though the head was still in Kawalsky's body. My first thought was that if the head was still there, the Goa'uld could still be in control - and it was.

    I also liked the way Sam gave hope to Daniel by saying that something of the host survives, because Kawalsky remembered the code for the auto-destruct. The Goa'uld could have forced Kawalsky to enter the auto-destruct code, but the information had to be taken from his memories.

    Over all, a good second episode, relying on characters rather than special effects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheerful Dragon View Post
    I'm rewatching a whole lot of SG-1 episodes, but this time I'm going to comment on every one!

    I think Kawalsky was killed off because he was the only other character from the original film. I don't think this was because of any attachment we may have felt, but because he wasn't going to be a member of SG-1. He was given his own team to lead, but that team wasn't going to feature on a regular basis. So, if a major character from the film isn't going to have a major role in the series, the character has to go.
    What do you base that on? We see Alexis Cruz as Skaara and Erick Avari as Kasuf in several episodes. I think the writers simply didn't see him as being a key part of the series, in early seasons simplicity is key, keep prices down and keep quality up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by captain jake View Post
    What do you base that on? We see Alexis Cruz as Skaara and Erick Avari as Kasuf in several episodes. I think the writers simply didn't see him as being a key part of the series, in early seasons simplicity is key, keep prices down and keep quality up.
    OK, badly phrased. Kawalsky and Ferretti were the only members of the original Air Force team (in the film) to appear in the pilot episode of the TV series. Ferretti was seriously injured in the first episode and doesn't appear again until Within the Serpent's Grasp. He doesn't appear again after that, AFAIK. Kawalsky was put in charge of SG-2. I'm guessing that fans of the film might have hoped to see him cropping up in subsequent episodes, leading that team. I agree that simplicity is key. The producers could have just dropped the character, but that would have raised questions about what had happened to him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheerful Dragon View Post
    OK, badly phrased. Kawalsky and Ferretti were the only members of the original Air Force team (in the film) to appear in the pilot episode of the TV series. Ferretti was seriously injured in the first episode and doesn't appear again until Within the Serpent's Grasp. He doesn't appear again after that, AFAIK. Kawalsky was put in charge of SG-2. I'm guessing that fans of the film might have hoped to see him cropping up in subsequent episodes, leading that team. I agree that simplicity is key. The producers could have just dropped the character, but that would have raised questions about what had happened to him.
    So we agree that they killed Kawalsky off for a reason other than the fact that he was in the original movie. However, I stated that I thought that it was a budgetary type issue. Do you agree?

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    Quote Originally Posted by captain jake View Post
    So we agree that they killed Kawalsky off for a reason other than the fact that he was in the original movie. However, I stated that I thought that it was a budgetary type issue. Do you agree?
    Not sure about budgetary. Kawalsky would have been a minor character at best, and Jay Acovone's salary would have been no more than the actor playing Dr. Warner, for example. It certainly would have been less than Don S. Davis's and way less than the main SG-1 team's. It's my understanding that salaries are a minor component of sci-fi series, particularly the FX-heavy ones. Admittedly, the early episodes of Stargate SG-1 aren't so heavy on FX, but I'm still not convinced that Kawalsky was dumped for budgetary reasons.

    Let's just agree that Kawalsky was killed off to keep things simple, to dispose of an unnecessary character and leave no loose ends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheerful Dragon View Post
    Not sure about budgetary. Kawalsky would have been a minor character at best, and Jay Acovone's salary would have been no more than the actor playing Dr. Warner, for example. It certainly would have been less than Don S. Davis's and way less than the main SG-1 team's. It's my understanding that salaries are a minor component of sci-fi series, particularly the FX-heavy ones. Admittedly, the early episodes of Stargate SG-1 aren't so heavy on FX, but I'm still not convinced that Kawalsky was dumped for budgetary reasons.

    Let's just agree that Kawalsky was killed off to keep things simple, to dispose of an unnecessary character and leave no loose ends.
    It's possible, however I still invite different opinions on the subject of Kawalsky's death.

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    It's possible, however I still invite different opinions on the subject of Kawalsky's death.
    Please read my previous post. As I undertand it. the reason Kawalsky was killed off was because he had other obligations. He signed a deal with another TV series (don't know which) that never made it out of the testing run. At the time he didn't think SG-1 would last more than the original two season alotment given by Showtime anyway. Sadly he was mistaken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Michael Benjamin View Post
    Please read my previous post. As I undertand it. the reason Kawalsky was killed off was because he had other obligations. He signed a deal with another TV series (don't know which) that never made it out of the testing run. At the time he didn't think SG-1 would last more than the original two season alotment given by Showtime anyway. Sadly he was mistaken.
    Do you have an interview or source in order to support your statements?

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    Somewhat on topic with Kawalsky...
    I didn’t find the whole Kawalsky affair as touching as I did when I initially watched the episode. I did find it interesting that his first name is Charlie and that Jack uses it frequently.

    Other thoughts on terms they used in this episode, "Inbound Traveler" & "Embarkation Room" (is embarkation even a word?) I'm so glad they morphed into "incoming wormhole" and "gate room", especially gate room, embarkation is so stuffy and lame.

    Side note: Jack says "oh for cryin' out loud again". I know it’s a catch phrase for Jack, but is it used every episode? Did I miss that in my first pass? Guess I'll find out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pic-CollSwan View Post
    Somewhat on topic with Kawalsky...
    I didn’t find the whole Kawalsky affair as touching as I did when I initially watched the episode. I did find it interesting that his first name is Charlie and that Jack uses it frequently.

    Other thoughts on terms they used in this episode, "Inbound Traveler" & "Embarkation Room" (is embarkation even a word?) I'm so glad they morphed into "incoming wormhole" and "gate room", especially gate room, embarkation is so stuffy and lame.

    Side note: Jack says "oh for cryin' out loud again". I know it’s a catch phrase for Jack, but is it used every episode? Did I miss that in my first pass? Guess I'll find out.
    I never found the Kawalsky affair touching, I always saw it as interesting. The whole embarkation room thing never bothered me. In my opinion it is still called that they just use the slang term gate room instead.

    Nope he doesn't say it in every episode, but he says it a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pic-CollSwan View Post
    Somewhat on topic with Kawalsky...
    I didn’t find the whole Kawalsky affair as touching as I did when I initially watched the episode. I did find it interesting that his first name is Charlie and that Jack uses it frequently.

    Other thoughts on terms they used in this episode, "Inbound Traveler" & "Embarkation Room" (is embarkation even a word?) I'm so glad they morphed into "incoming wormhole" and "gate room", especially gate room, embarkation is so stuffy and lame.

    Side note: Jack says "oh for cryin' out loud again". I know it’s a catch phrase for Jack, but is it used every episode? Did I miss that in my first pass? Guess I'll find out.
    I never found the Kawalsky affair touching, I always saw it as interesting. The whole embarkation room thing never bothered me. In my opinion it is still called that they just use the slang term gate room instead.

    Nope he doesn't say it in every episode, but he says it a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pic-CollSwan View Post
    Other thoughts on terms they used in this episode, "Inbound Traveler" & "Embarkation Room" (is embarkation even a word?) I'm so glad they morphed into "incoming wormhole" and "gate room", especially gate room, embarkation is so stuffy and lame.
    Yes, especially now everything they say seems to flow and suit so well.

    Bye Kawalsky. I personally liked the character and this episode was a great follow on from the first episode, where we were just introduced to the Goa'uld (besides the movie) and didn't have much intel on them. Maybe on the reasons I like Kawalsky was because him and Jack seemed to play each other offer in the banter so well. Wasn't he Captain in the first episode? If so they played down his rank promotion and played up this first command.

    I thought it was interesting to note that General Hammond referred to Teal'c as "son". Creating that family feel which later is picked up on by Landry when Teal'c gets capture with the “Teal'c is family..." speech. I thought it was a nice touch.

    Another thing we learned from this episode is that all visiting Air force officers/overseers are evil and after their own agenda.

    There were also some cool shots with the Gate and the team embarking at the end. Overall an excellent following on from the first episode.

    Spoilered are my two favourite shots of the episode - hehe one is probably the opposite to your signature image Pic-CollSwan.

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    I thought it was a good ep & a great intro of the enemy to the SGC people, it showed the basis of Teal'c character, but my biggest disappointment was during Teal'c interrogation. They never even bothered to ask why he decided to defect & that would have a huge bearing on the credibility of the info he offered them & his potential value to the SGC, Also He mentioned us as his people's greatest hope, but I could never figure out exactly what he saw in us. We're still far behind in technology. At least we have a few shuttles

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    When Teal'c learned that SG-1 were from the people of the Tau'ri (the humans who were taken by the Goa'uld and populated the universe) he knew that he had to join us.

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