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    Stargate Storage Space

    Ok, I just had the weirdest thought, it has being stated that the stargate sends components through in one piece, I.E. it doesn't transmit data unless it it has completely entered the event horizon.

    Using this information it is possible to work out the amount of storage that a Stargate must have.

    A Stargates internal dimension is around 5 meters across or 500 cm, using the formula of pi * r^2 we know the internal area is:

    pi * (250*250) = 196250 cm squared.

    We know that a stargate can stay open for 38 minutes or 2280 seconds,

    if we assume that an object that is the same area as the stargate were to enter the gate, at the fastest speed possible i.e. for the sake of arguments light speed we can work out how much matter can enter a gate.

    lightspeed in metre per second is 299792458 metres per second

    or

    29979245800 centimetres per second.

    this means that the number of cubic centimeters that could go through the gate in the 38 minutes is (time on * cm per second * area)

    2280 *29979245800 *196250 = 13414213533210000000 centimeter cubed

    if we look at the number of atoms in a cm cubed of copper (using cos I have that info but this isn't the highest value so this could be a lot bigger)

    there are around 100000000000000000000000 atoms in a centimeter cubed.

    this means that in total approximately

    1341421353321000000000000000000000000000000

    atoms would have to go through the gate,

    the gate then has to get the information regarding the atoms status, I have no idea how that would be done but this would likely require thousands of bytes of data to represent.

    I am going to use the value of 100 bytes of data which I am sure is very low but I have no idea how to get an accurate value of the storage requirements.

    This means that:

    134142135332100000000000000000000000000000000 bytes of data storage would be needed to hold all that information.

    this is

    134142135332100000000000000000000000000000 kilobytes

    134142135332100000000000000000000000000 megabytes

    134142135332100000000000000000000000 gigabytes

    134142135332100000000000000000000 terabytes

    134142135332100000000000000000 petabytes

    134142135332100000000000000 exabytes

    134142135332100000000000 zettabytes

    134142135332100000000 yottabytes

    After that I have run out of names,

    this however shows the capabilities of ancient technology, we are literally talking

    134142 billion billion billion of today's largest hard drives, that many hard drives would if sat next to each other cover an area of 19780599276071466000000000000 kilometres squared, to put this in perspective America has a surface area of 2631000 kilometers squared.

    Or in another term a total of

    479079054757500000000000000000 DVD would be needed,

    or

    9213058745336538461538461538 Stargate boxsets, thats a lot of stargate :-)



    I have no idea why I had this mad idea but I do think that it gives an idea of the ancients level of technology in respect to ours.

    Comments, suggestions or if you just want to tell me I am mad feel free...

    #2
    Originally posted by rob-ward View Post
    Comments, suggestions or if you just want to tell me I am mad feel free...
    Can't resist an offer like that....

    You're mad!!


    Interesting thoughts though... I wonder how much data a memory crystal can hold?
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      #3
      Originally posted by Blackbow View Post

      Interesting thoughts though... I wonder how much data a memory crystal can hold?
      Well a crystal being 10cm *10 cm * 10cm would have over 100000000000000000000000000 atoms in it, 1 bit in each atom would give

      10000000000000000000000000 bytes

      10000000000000000000000 kilobytes

      10000000000000000000 megabytes

      10000000000000000 gigabytes

      10000000000000 terabytes

      Thats a lot of storage, now I just have to perfect crystal storage and i'll be a millionaire.

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        #4
        You lost me after the 2nd line.

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          #5
          Originally posted by si|verb0lt View Post
          You lost me after the 2nd line.
          Ye Unfortunately I have that effect on people often.

          To sum up I think my point was Ancients has really really cool technology way beyond ours.

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            #6
            Originally posted by rob-ward View Post

            Thats a lot of storage, now I just have to perfect crystal storage and i'll be a millionaire.
            If you can make the crystal storage compatible with iTunes, you'll be a billionaire!!
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              #7
              Why just one bit per atom? You need to identify the atom and which isotope. With copper, especially, you need to know something of the valence state. I'll let you off easy on the valence state with some kind of probability-based description. We just don't want to get into trying to simultaneously describe the position and velocities of the electrons, now, do we?


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                #8
                Why? Just... why?
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                  #9
                  I never of actually thought of storage space, or anything else posted, you sir, have a lot of time on your hands!

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Replicator Todd View Post
                    you sir, have a lot of time on your hands!
                    I second that. And how did you find the time to do all that math? I hate doing a simple equation such as: 2+3=Chair.
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                      #11
                      The amount of storage in a stargate cannot be this number. Think about the stargate can only stay open for 38 minutes. that includes the recieving gate. From your calculations i can gather that the actual storage would be half this amount. this allow for the object to enter the sending stargate and be able to exit the recieving gate before it shuts down. 134142135332100000000 yottabytes

                      Although the ancients in their almighty wisdom most likely thought to themselves that what are the chances of a stargate being put in this situation. On big lump of atoms. It's not likely it will constantly be sending data as whole objects enter. therefor the actual storage space is most likely much lower then calculated.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by J-Whitt Remastered View Post
                        2+3=Chair.


                        So long as it's the Atlantis chair!!
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                          #13
                          I really doubt anyone would attempt to send a solid object 38 lightminutes long through an active stargate at lightspeed. And if they did, they'd probably blow up the gate before it got very far, due to friction. And if you're using a stargate, what's the point of going lightspeed?

                          I wonder if the data storage crystals store patters in some kind of subspace field. I don't think it can be possible for the complete quantum state of an object to be stored as data within an object of lesser mass. Data compression isn't much use since we're dealing with completely arbitrary data which must be reproduced perfectly in realtime, and the DHD would have to start compression before it had all the data available since there is not space for all the data. Compression of 'packets' of data would be far less effective than compressing the whole object in one go. And there wouldn't be enough processing power available to perform the compression (and it wouldn't really be enough, not even using McKay's super compression algorithms).
                          Storing the data in a 'subspace field' around the crystals seems like a logical way to save space, and it makes sense since the matter stream is sent through a subspace wormhole and explains why forming a new wormhole would erase any pattern stored in the buffer.

                          Just an unfounded hypothesis, but it kinda fits.
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                            #14
                            the fastest they can go is .999999999999999 etc the speed of light . ancient ships can go light speed though . other wise they enter hyperspace but then they can hardly move through a gate . so ..........mleh on ur theory :L sorry guy just in an annoyin mood.....thought id spread the pain a bit :L

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                              #15
                              Well obviously it's not possible for matter to reach the speed of light in normal space, as it requires infinite energy. Even an Ancient ship with ZPMs couldn't quite get there, but there's not really much point in going light speed due to the time dilation issues. It's much more energy efficient to use a hyperdrive, but that only works if your hyperdrive isn't broken. Of course, it's not possible to enter a stargate while in hyperspace (not that anyone is suggesting such a thing).
                              Regardless, a ship can't enter a normal stargate - it would have to be a supergate. We don't know if the Ancients ever build any of those. Since they had intergalactic hyperdrive they didn't really need to.

                              But none of that is really relevant. The original post sets an extreme upper limit on the amount of data a DHD would need to store, but we know it's not feasible to move an object of such a size through a stargate at any sort of speed. The real issue is that using storage methods that rely on physical space and matter, it's not possible to perfectly store any sizable object in DHD crystals, which is why some sort of subspace storage field could possibly be the answer.

                              I don't really understand what the previous post is getting at. I'm not really smart enough to understand things unless they're written in a clear and logical way ;-)
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