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    I believe Ben killed Locke because he was of no longer any use to him when he told him who he needed to talk to. I'm betting he's gonna get an unexpected awakening when he wakes up and locke is sitting over him. No doubt he'll make up some lie though.

    When Mr. Widmore talked about a war coming... and locke needed to be on the island, I think this is the war with the island natives and the darma. I think he knows somehow that locke would be sent back to the 70's, before the purge happens.

    I'm still not sure what side widmore is on though. He wants locke to be on the good side.... but what side is that? What side does he want to win? I'm guessing it's the side of the "others" since he worked with them for so long.

    All this show we have been lead to believe that the others were the "bad" people of the island, and the darma was the good side.

    The more this show goes, it seems like that role is finally being changed.

    In the end, I think widmore will be shown to have been the good guy, and ben the evil.

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    You just never know with Ben. His actions are so mysterious and surprising at times. I don't think we'll know if he is really good or evil for some time to come.

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    awesome episode

    ben killing locke really suprised me, although i dont see why it should being the lying manipulative person he is

    and no oceanic 6 in this episode was dissapointing but with the title of the episode i really didnt expect them to be in this one

    i also like it how time moves slower on the island then the rest of the world, i hope they explain this
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Wake View Post
    In the end, I think widmore will be shown to have been the good guy, and ben the evil.
    I personally think both of them are bad guys who believe they are doing good (especially Ben). But... they both have their own (evil ) agendas. It seems like Ben wants the Island and Jacob to forgive him/take him back and Widmore wants to (apparently) control time using the Island. Evil I say!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Descent View Post
    Even though we've already known about most of this stuff for quite sometime, I thought this was a great episode. I totally called Ben killing Locke after talking him down. Saw that coming from a mile away...what a jerk....
    see, i didn't see that coming.

    ben just seemed sincerely upset at what locke was trying to do. and then, when he was strangling him, he wouldn't look at his face. and notice when he was ready to leave the room, he finally made himself look up at locke. i 'think' he said he was really going to miss him.

    but what i really want to know is what triggered this. or, why mentioning daniel's mom's name brought out this sudden desire to carry out locke's plan.

    i think i'm stuck on ben really going there to talk to locke and being sincerely upset that he was going to hang himself. but mentioning that woman's name set ben off on another decision.

    but i still think ben's crap for doing that to locke!
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    Quote Originally Posted by majorsal View Post
    see, i didn't see that coming.

    ben just seemed sincerely upset at what locke was trying to do. and then, when he was strangling him, he wouldn't look at his face. and notice when he was ready to leave the room, he finally made himself look up at locke. i 'think' he said he was really going to miss him.

    but what i really want to know is what triggered this. or, why mentioning daniel's mom's name brought out this sudden desire to carry out locke's plan.

    i think i'm stuck on ben really going there to talk to locke and being sincerely upset that he was going to hang himself. but mentioning that woman's name set ben off on another decision.


    but i still think ben's crap for doing that to locke!
    Yes, Ben did say he was going to miss Locke.

    I am sure, eventually, we will learn what suddenly set him off at the mention of Faraday's mom. Hopefully, not too long from now.

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    So do you guys think that when ben left the island, and was transported to the same spot locke was, those guys that were trying to take ben were working for widmore? I just thought they were terrorists... but now since we have seen them take locke to a care center, I don't think they ever were going to harm ben.... just take him to widmore.

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    I didn't believe Ben's sincerity, but I didn't think he was going to kill Locke. The whole time Ben was in there, I kept hearing Christian Shephard's words about how trusting Ben has never gotten him anywhere good, but to extrapolate it to murder wasn't there in my head.

    I am not convinced, however, that the 316ers are the ones in the boats who shot at our Island Losties. Since Lipidis and mystery woman stole a boat and took it somewhere, it's possible that it was that boat that the Island Losties found and used. Meanwhile, the original owners of the boats came back and met the 316ers (not sure what they did to them, although I could see some kind of scuffle breaking out as per Walt's dream) and went in search of Frank and mystery woman, but found the Island Losties instead and started shooting.

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    Lost is too good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Wake View Post
    So do you guys think that when ben left the island, and was transported to the same spot locke was, those guys that were trying to take ben were working for widmore? I just thought they were terrorists... but now since we have seen them take locke to a care center, I don't think they ever were going to harm ben.... just take him to widmore.
    No idea. I don't remember there being any cameras there when Ben left the island. Maybe Widmore somehow found out about Ben being transported there and started watching the spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amalthea View Post
    I didn't believe Ben's sincerity, but I didn't think he was going to kill Locke. The whole time Ben was in there, I kept hearing Christian Shephard's words about how trusting Ben has never gotten him anywhere good, but to extrapolate it to murder wasn't there in my head.

    I am not convinced, however, that the 316ers are the ones in the boats who shot at our Island Losties. Since Lipidis and mystery woman stole a boat and took it somewhere, it's possible that it was that boat that the Island Losties found and used. Meanwhile, the original owners of the boats came back and met the 316ers (not sure what they did to them, although I could see some kind of scuffle breaking out as per Walt's dream) and went in search of Frank and mystery woman, but found the Island Losties instead and started shooting.
    They got the boats from the Others' equipment on the second island.

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    Another great episode.

    I think Ben didn´t care one bit about Locke killing himself other then that he needed the information about how to get back to the island. Once he had that info Locke wasn´t needed ans since killing him on the island doesn´t seem to be an option Ben decided to act there and then.

    I´ll admit that I didn´t expect the other peoples on the plane to end up on the island. I´m also surprised if Frank (and Sun?) didn´t get caught up in the flash, seems strange that some are effected and others not. Of course it could have been the co-pilot and the Fed escorting Sayid.

    As for who is the good guy in the Ben/Whitmore conflict I´m going to say that neither is the good guy, this is a straight up power struggle between two borderline psychos.

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    Default Re: The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham (507)

    both ben and widmore are supremely self-motivated. and they'll use/abuse anyone to get their goals.

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    The one thing I just thought is that why Ben and Widmore was probably at each other throats for a long, Richard Alpert does not seem the type of guy to let them two rip each other to pieces.

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    I think another big question is did the Locke and the 316ers flash back in time to the 70's with Jack, Kate, Hurley and presumably Sayid?

    I've found a lot of people assumed they did, but I thought it was implied that they didn't when Ceasar explained that he saw Hurley and others disappear from the plane. If they all flashed, then why would some disappear and the rest not?

    Craziness!

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    Oh also, weighing in on who is the good guy, I was starting to lean towards Widmore being, if not the good guy, then on the right side, but the one thing that I can't justify is why the island wouldn't let Michael die until he was in a position where he could stop Widmore's freighter from ultimately reaching the island. That makes me think the island is not a fan of Widmore...but who knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrminarrd View Post
    As for who is the good guy in the Ben/Whitmore conflict I´m going to say that neither is the good guy, this is a straight up power struggle between two borderline psychos.
    my take on this too (ftm)


    btw could Ben have known that killing John would send him back to the island ? (and leave him stranded)
    it's doubtful but Ben does seems to know a lot of things..

    and Widmore somehow being on the good side was immediately excluded given the kind of people he hired

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    Quote Originally Posted by dsigal View Post
    the one thing that I can't justify is why the island wouldn't let Michael die until he was in a position where he could stop Widmore's freighter from ultimately reaching the island. That makes me think the island is not a fan of Widmore...but who knows.
    Good point. For the first time a lighter side of Widmore has been shown and im not quite sure what to think.

    When Jack is talking to Ben on the plane and points out that Locke killed himself, I knew immediately Ben was lying when he said he didnt know. I thought he simply knew he did, but just before the big moment it became quite obvious to me Locke was about to be killed But at the same time

    Im surprised no has mentioned that Locke came back to life when he landed on the island. I had been guessing this for a year now and to finally see it gives us some pretty good evidence that Christian Shepherd is alive and well!

    These last three episodes have been great. .
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    Ben tricked Locke into being the one to move the island so he could go pull his revenge on Widmore.

    Ben killed Locke once he had the information to return to the island because Locke would have returned the leader of the others when he came back to the island.

    Ben didn't expect John to return to life when they brought him back to the island.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThreeFriesShortOfaHappyMeal View Post
    Good point. For the first time a lighter side of Widmore has been shown and im not quite sure what to think.

    When Jack is talking to Ben on the plane and points out that Locke killed himself, I knew immediately Ben was lying when he said he didnt know. I thought he simply knew he did, but just before the big moment it became quite obvious to me Locke was about to be killed But at the same time

    Im surprised no has mentioned that Locke came back to life when he landed on the island. I had been guessing this for a year now and to finally see it gives us some pretty good evidence that Christian Shepherd is alive and well!

    These last three episodes have been great. .

    I dont think so as when locke was about to turn the whelle he asked if christian could help him up and christian said he couldnt, i think he is incorporial!


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