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    Quote Originally Posted by bcmilco
    Just posted this on the Cor-Ai thread, but thought it fit better over here.

    Frankly I find Teal'c's switch bothersome. I love Teal'c and I think his character is wonderful (especially when he gets a chance to speak! ), but his change just doesn't work for me. You said "people who were in a good position to combat the goa'uld." And for me that's the rub, they weren't in a good possition. They were in the crappiest possition they could be in. They were prisoners, and Teal'c had no clue how many there were, or how strong they were. To just up and take off with some nobody you just meet isn't the smartest idea, other then the fact that the script says it's the right thing to do.



    And that line always baffled me too, because up till then he's seen humans from earth get the crap kicked out of them by Jaffa. IMO there is no reason why Teal'c should believe that statement except for the fact that the script told him to say it.

    I understand it's supposed to show he's noble, and virtuous, and a good judge of character, and I did see that, but it still bothers me.
    Well in threshold, he tells us he joined us not because of our technology, but because of our freedon. He SAW Jack not as a Colonel who might have a couple guns cached somewhere, but as the one person he had met in his life who had tasted liberty.

    He joined us because he saw we would die before giving up his rights, just like him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadJaffa
    Well in threshold, he tells us he joined us not because of our technology, but because of our freedon. He SAW Jack not as a Colonel who might have a couple guns cached somewhere, but as the one person he had met in his life who had tasted liberty.

    He joined us because he saw we would die before giving up his rights, just like him.
    I know, but it took them FIVE (5) years before they got around to telling us.

    I'm saying in the context of the one/two episodes that is CotG. Without knowing the character, IMO they didn't do the best job setting up his eventual switch. In fact for me, all they would have needed was that one scene, from Threshold, that they filmed between Teal'c and Bra'tec where they are looking through the bars at Jack, Sam, and Daniel, talking about freedom. That one scene would have made me go "Ok, I can see that now".

    Otherwise it just felt like a plot device to serve getting them out and getting Teal'c to join them.
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    I didn't see that episode

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    Default Re: Children of the Gods (101)

    Quote Originally Posted by bcmilco
    Just posted this on the Cor-Ai thread, but thought it fit better over here.

    Frankly I find Teal'c's switch bothersome. I love Teal'c and I think his character is wonderful (especially when he gets a chance to speak! ), but his change just doesn't work for me. You said "people who were in a good position to combat the goa'uld." And for me that's the rub, they weren't in a good possition. They were in the crappiest possition they could be in. They were prisoners, and Teal'c had no clue how many there were, or how strong they were. To just up and take off with some nobody you just meet isn't the smartest idea, other then the fact that the script says it's the right thing to do.

    I always thought he switch sides because the humans of the Tauri possessed the incredibly powerful Digital Watch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KorbenDirewolf
    I always thought he switch sides because the humans of the Tauri possessed the incredibly powerful Digital Watch.
    D'oh! You're right! How could I have missed something so obvious!
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    I always figured that what Teal'c meant was that he saw in Jack the potential to do what he said he could do. There's a recurrent theme in the series that Jaffa warriors learn to assess a person very quickly by looking them in the eyes. What inspired Teal'c to finally turn against Apophis was something he saw in Jack which told him that Jack's people could bring down a god.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KorbenDirewolf
    I always thought he switch sides because the humans of the Tauri possessed the incredibly powerful Digital Watch.
    He may have switched for the Digital Watch, but it's the doughnuts that made him stay.

    p.s. COTG is not the only time we've seen the gate opened without a DHD or the dialing computer used to do so. Cassie did it in 2010 and Freya did it in The Nox. That doesn't explain COTG, though. Didn't the Asgard do it once as well?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SGSlugger

    Really it's just one of those big honkin' plot holes.
    Yep, definately a plot hole. These often happen in early episodes of a lot of long running shows, before the creators develop the stories, and put in place certain laws that control the way things work in the later eps.

    Good opening ep., though.

    I've got to get it on DVD, apparently there are bits on it that don't appear on the video.
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    Yup about 7-10 minutes worth of "missing scenes" Of course the DVD is rated R for 1 scene of nudity which wasn't even needed.
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    I know... That 'top' scene sure wasnt needed, they could have just shown the head up like they did with the first girl captured.

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    Of Course It Was Needed!

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    Haha, if you think it was needed, maybe it was needed, but i guess it showed that Apophis wants to see his new wife/host (or something) naked before he chooses Haha... What a shallow goa'uld!

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    I really enjoyed COTG,and I don't care about any "Plot Holes".(For once ! )
    I've got it on VHS,but I want the missing scenes,so I'm set on upgrading to DVD,to see what I've missed .....not that I care one way, or the other about the "Nude" scene,but I'm just nosy about the other stuff !
    (Hubby will no doubt "check out" the rude bits,IMO. )

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    It's a bit of a shock if you aren't expecting it, I can tell you!
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    LOL !! At least I've been warned !
    To be honest,I'm more easily offended by Symbiotes coming out of their pouches, and "Yuck", than rude bits .
    Well,.......so far,at least!

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    It's not exactly 'eek', more just 'am I watching the right DVD? What the hell is happening?'
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    Um,not sure I want the full version now ! Oh well,Hubby's all set on ordering the Season 1 DVD set, ASAP,(I wonder why ! ) so too late to reconsider,......Ho-Hum !

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    Season 1 DVD's are pretty cool

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    When i recently rewatched CoTG I found some bits that i couldnīt find a good explanation for. Iīm new here so maybe/probably these have already been discussed on the forum, so Iīm sorry if i repeat anything.
    ok, the first thing. Every time in the episode if somebody from the SGC travelled through the gate, they all froze up. Carter explanied:
    Quote: thatīs the result of the compression your molecules undergo under a millisecond required for reconstitution.
    Iīm ok with the explanation, but that doesnīt explain why the freezing doesnīt occur in later episodes. Maybe that doesnīt happen if a person "gets used to" travelling through the gate? Does anyone have an explanation for that? And another thing i noticed. The weapons of SGC were so ineffective against the jaffa. They had to shoot at the jaffa so long before they would be taken down. In later episodes they shot at them much less and had the same effect. The armor of the jaffa looks same as in other episodes, except for the huge headgear(only Apophisī on Heru-Urīs jaffa wore those, right? I havenīt watched the first seasons for a while now, just started over from CoTG, so i donīt remember everything ), but does that give them a certain immunity against earthly weapons?
    PS! My english isnīt the best so sorry for any mistakes

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    Hey there, and Welcome!

    The whole "freezing" thing is a very common topic, there is at least one thread in the General Discussion area (too lazy to find it for you ).

    However, in short, they explain it away by saying: accounting for stellar drift causes a smoother ride and thus no ice. It's metioned in "Red Sky". And I think it was mentioned in s1 but I forget what episode if it was.

    *mumbles about needing to go back and re-watch the series again.*
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