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    Default Re: Janet Frasier Appreciation Thread

    I really liked Heroes, Part 2. It's my favourite episode, but I miss Janet too. She was a great character. The problem with the new doctors are the fact that they change every episode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michelleb
    I hated Dr Brightman (She called him 'Daniel'!! How dare she call him Daniel!! She barely knows him!!! Plus I think she was a robot).
    A Robot! That's a good one. I agree that it was disconcerting for her to call him Daniel--we'd never heard of her before & were given no indication that she knew him from before either. Janet never presumed so much on a first meeting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jckfan55
    A Robot! That's a good one. I agree that it was disconcerting for her to call him Daniel--we'd never heard of her before & were given no indication that she knew him from before either. Janet never presumed so much on a first meeting.
    Who else would have insisted on calling Teal'c "Mr. Teal'c"?

    I don't like any of the new doctors either. I think they just lost a little something called a personality.
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    Default Re: Janet Frasier Appreciation Thread

    I thought I'd dredge up this thread (which I just found) to post some biographical information that might be of interest to those who posted here.
    For those that don't know, there is a brief bio about Janet that was created by Teryl Rothery herself. It's not an indepth analysis or anything, but it should interest Fraiser fans.
    A fan's summary of it can be found at http://rothery.stargate-sg1.hu/starg...netfraiser.php

    Some interesting facts from the summary:
    Her full name is Janet Elizabeth
    She was married for three years
    She is the oldest of 3 children
    She has two brothers: Scott Jameson & Jeffrey Sutton
    Her father Jameson Franklin Fraiser, is a retired Army officer
    Her mother, Marjorie Kathryn Fraiser, is a homemaker.


    I stole.... uh quoted the whole text of the summary:

    JANET'S FAMILY | Written by Teryl Rothery for the SG-1 Companion

    In "Stargate SG-1: The Illustrated Companion Seasons 1 & 2", Teryl wrote her take on Janet & her family. This she created on her own to make the character more real for her.

    Basically, she is the oldest of 3 children, she & 2 brothers. Teryl picked the names Scott Jameson & Jeffrey Sutton. Her full name is Janet Elizabeth. Her father, Jameson Franklin Fraiser, is a retired Army(!) officer & her mother, Marjorie Kathryn Fraiser, is a homemaker.

    Majorie, who everyone (except the kids) call Kate) is warm & fun-loving. Janet has this too but is also very self-contained like her father.

    Janet has always felt like she has to prove herself to her father (who Teryl also sees as a bit of a chauvinist - Jack O'Neill?). This was why she entered the Air Force, went through medical school, & specialized in exotic diseases. (Teryl says he is proud of his daughter but can't express it so Janet keeps pushing herself.)

    The best thing that happened to her is Cassandra (presuming we discount Sam...). Or possibly the 2nd best as Teryl sees Janet's divorce as one of the best things she could've done. She was married for three years to a pompus chauvinist. ("Three very long years!!" to quote Teryl.)

    Cassandra has let her open herself up and may even be the first time Janet has given herself permission to love.

    Have a great weekend, everyone.

    Many THX to John O'Connor for submitting this article
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    It's worth pointing out that the summary is on just one page of http://rothery.stargate-sg1.hu which is probably the best Teryl Rothery fansite currently in existence. Tons of information, screencaps and other goodies.

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    I never really appreciated the role of Fraser until she was gone and the idiot brigade came riding in. I also now notice Teryl Rothery in different shows now; usually scifi based.

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    I loved the way Janet would advance the comic movement of the story with just a look. She was so good at that.

    Some of my favorite scenes are:

    When Carter is arguing with Urgo in the hall and Janet trys to ask Urgo to leave Sam alone, Urgo make a rude comment which we don't hear. Carter says: "Urgo that is rude!" Janet gets this indignant look on her face and says, "What did he say?!"

    Also in Urgo, they're all in the briefing room and both Janet and Hammond are sitting down at the end of the table with these confused, slightly horrified looks on their faces and it is hysterical.

    I miss Janet.
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    Wow, no wonder TR was able to make Janet come alive what with creating that backstory for her.

    I think it was a mistake to get rid of her. Dr. Brightman is duller than dishwater, although I did like the male doctor they had briefly. But, they need another female. And, Janet was a strong woman who had a personality in her own right. Meaning she was different enough from Sam to have another type of woman represented, and took up enough screen time to really get to know her.

    I liked her in Serpent's Song, with her attitude being in opposition to everyone. And, Lifeboat. "You don't belong in that man's body, and I intend to take it back!" Well, you go girl
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    I also loved the way Janet pulled on a gun on Nirti. There was cold steel in her eyes that as a mother I completely recognized and identifed with. It's a good thing Nirti decided to talk because somebody was going to die that night!
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    Where I live we haven't had Hero's yet so I'm savoring every last Janet moment. I think I'm realy going to mis her when the time comes

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    I happen to think Heroes did Janet a disservice. I'll put it in spoilers.
    Spoiler:
    Aside from the fact that I don't think killing off Janet was necessary or even a good idea, I think it was done badly. Janet wasn't just some unknown person. We had gotten to know and care about her. An episode where she died should have been a tribute to her. It should have been about her. Instead, they decided to do a "fooled you!" by making it seem like Jack died for a large part of the episode. And, what was the point of that? Well, I have my theories, but I'll refrain from bringing that up. But, what were they hoping the audience reaction would be when they found out it wasn't Jack? Relief that it was only Janet? One of the things I found fitting was Daniel's grief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dani347
    I happen to think Heroes did Janet a disservice. I'll put it in spoilers.
    Spoiler:
    Aside from the fact that I don't think killing off Janet was necessary or even a good idea, I think it was done badly. Janet wasn't just some unknown person. We had gotten to know and care about her. An episode where she died should have been a tribute to her. It should have been about her. Instead, they decided to do a "fooled you!" by making it seem like Jack died for a large part of the episode. And, what was the point of that? Well, I have my theories, but I'll refrain from bringing that up. But, what were they hoping the audience reaction would be when they found out it wasn't Jack? Relief that it was only Janet? One of the things I found fitting was Daniel's grief.
    I agree. I think it could have been handled with a little more sensitivity. The one who got to me was General Hammond. His reaction just broke my heart.
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    I miss Janet too! She was always my favourite character in SG1 right from the start. Teryl's portrayl of her was amazing and no-one can ever fill the hole that's been left now she's not on the show anymore. I miss Janet she was such a strong and kick ass female character!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dani347
    I happen to think Heroes did Janet a disservice. I'll put it in spoilers.
    Spoiler:
    Aside from the fact that I don't think killing off Janet was necessary or even a good idea, I think it was done badly. Janet wasn't just some unknown person. We had gotten to know and care about her. An episode where she died should have been a tribute to her. It should have been about her. Instead, they decided to do a "fooled you!" by making it seem like Jack died for a large part of the episode. And, what was the point of that? Well, I have my theories, but I'll refrain from bringing that up. But, what were they hoping the audience reaction would be when they found out it wasn't Jack? Relief that it was only Janet? One of the things I found fitting was Daniel's grief.
    I said it before and I'll say it again, I hate how they handled it.

    Spoiler:
    The entire episode was just "Look! Someone died... it might be Jack.... Do you think it's Jack yet? Look! Sam's crying, maybe you shippers might think it was Jack! Look how sad everyone is, think it's Jack yet?

    HA! Fooled you! It was only Janet! Oh, I guess we'll pay a little tribute to her and everything... but we're still gloating over how we made you think it was Jack.

    No one was fooled, and I was extremely POed that they would handle it that way. They tried to make it seem more like "real life" when it really wasn't! If Jack died, I think everyone would have known that it was Jack.


    Oh well, I got to see TR in some Christmas movie, that made me happy and everytime she came on screen I screamed "JANET LIVES!"
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    Janet was my second favourite character of all time, and the ONE person I didnt' want to die... My best friend, who's alias is Janet (like i'm Sam) and the day Heroes came out, we skipped work and watched it, at which point we BAWLED OUR EYES OUT. From about 5 minutes into the second part onwards we used up I swear a pack of kleenex each! Never cried so much about any TV show, Movie, anything. Was depressed for like, 3 weeks after it! It was horrible!

    Why couldn't SAM have died?!!? Janet had to LIVE, (and get with Daniel!!!!) :'(
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    I stopped watching Stargate for awhile, but for some reason decided to watch Heroes Pt.1 and I was like "Hey, this isn't that bad" so I tuned in for Heroes Pt. 2 to see
    Spoiler:
    Janet die. I was in complete shock! I didn't look at any of the spoilers (like I used to do) so I wasn't prepared or anything and then they tried to make it look like Jack died! I didn't see any of the spoilers or anything so if I wasn't fooled, then it was really bad. So then I was just mad.
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    On the other hand, the way she died was effective. I think that just made it more shocking. It was like a kick in the gut for the team (and audience). She is definitely missed.

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    I think I'd rather have an honest emotional tribute than something done for shock value. One of the best farewell episodes ever on a show (non sci-fi) was Newsradio. Of course, Phil Hartman had died in real life, so the emotional level was already more than any fictional death could be, but the writing left no doubt that it was about saying goodbye to his character. The episode was about Bill McNeal and how the characters would miss him. Another good departure on the same show was when Khandi Alexander left. Her character didn't die, but the show that she left in was about her (even with special credits) and about her departure. It seemed to me that Heroes wasn't about Janet, and it should have been. But, I still say it made no sense to do it anyway. For shock value? I think if that's the reason for getting rid of a well known character, that's a pretty poor reason. To show that death happens? I think we're all aware of that, and we're all aware of how dangerous real life soldiers lives are, and can well imagine without needing somone to point it out like that how much more dangerous life defending the planet would be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dani347
    I think I'd rather have an honest emotional tribute than something done for shock value.... The episode was about Bill McNeal and how the characters would miss him. .... It seemed to me that Heroes wasn't about Janet, and it should have been. But, I still say it made no sense to do it anyway. For shock value? I think if that's the reason for getting rid of a well known character, that's a pretty poor reason. To show that death happens? I think we're all aware of that, and we're all aware of how dangerous real life soldiers lives are, and can well imagine without needing somone to point it out like that how much more dangerous life defending the planet would be.
    I would have wanted the episode to be more about Janet too, rather than the "guessing who's dead" thing. That said, I guess what I meant was no dramatic death scene, hanging on just to impart words of wisdom & that jazz.
    I think I heard that they thought the show would be ending (one of many false alarms, it seems) and so it wouldn't be like she'd be missing many episodes. Also, with the skilled cast and (usually) skilled writers, they *could* have made us feel a loss for a character we hadn't seen before if they were just going for the "dangerous job/people die" angle. I thought they did that pretty well with the SG guy who killed himself in "the Light" & with the guy stuck on the black hole planet.

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    Shocking? Don't we get enough of that when just about every main character has died or been in a life threatening situation? Don't we get more of it when that same main character makes a miraculous come back? If Janet had to die, I agree with Dani, it should have been more of an emotional tribute than something just done for shock value. And she didn't have to die anyway or she should just come back somehow for season 9. The show would need an already developed character with RDA basically gone, AT probably not in all of the eps, and BB just coming to the show as the newbie. Plus, all the new doctors are scary robots made by Ben Stein.
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    this is my first post and I had to post here because I adore Janet. I've seen Heroes quite a few times now and still cry everytime. The episode was so senseless to me. Usually when there is a "death" on a tv show there is a reason behind it. Everytime I see Heroes I try to figure it out but it seems like Janet was killed just to kill off a character. If it wasn't bad enough that Daniel was being pushed into the background they go and kill off the one last strong woman on the show ('cause Sam's become a weepy girly girl unfortunatly). Although I have to admit (I'm a bit weird) Heroes is one of my favorite episodes despite everything.
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