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    How do the stargate series relate to the original movie 1994

    ok, just watched the Stargare movie with Ra....
    Some stuff do not add up. like the gate dailing sequense...here there is a problem when dailing home...Becaus the sequense is not the oposiete or the same for home....its like if every phone had a own and different nr to the same other phone... that is why they bring Daniel....

    And Ra is a alien that posseses a human body like a parasite not as a parasite, and you even get to see him, looks like a old Asgard...or rather like the one in StarCraft (game) alien race.

    And how come that the staff weapon and skill of the Jaffa sudenly drop...Ra had 3 Jaffa, that took out the whole elit unit, and the staff weapon is more like a granade and realy penetrate the where it hits instead of just making a black mark...

    and if I ansered, and know that I could "get away with it".....


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    Originally posted by Apsu View Post
    ok, just watched the Stargare movie with Ra....
    Some stuff do not add up. like the gate dailing sequense...here there is a problem when dailing home...Becaus the sequense is not the oposiete or the same for home....its like if every phone had a own and different nr to the same other phone... that is why they bring Daniel....

    And Ra is a alien that posseses a human body like a parasite not as a parasite, and you even get to see him, looks like a old Asgard...or rather like the one in StarCraft (game) alien race.

    And how come that the staff weapon and skill of the Jaffa sudenly drop...Ra had 3 Jaffa, that took out the whole elit unit, and the staff weapon is more like a granade and realy penetrate the where it hits instead of just making a black mark...
    Ok. You are going to get people coming in here and telling you that the movie is not canonical with the series. This is not true.

    What you need to understand is simply that certain things in the movie were RETCONNED for the show, ie, changed in retrospect to allow for better story telling in a different media. Such as Abydos being moved from the edge of the universe, to actually quite nearby.

    The different gate symbols is a massive issue, they do however address it SLIGHTLY in Childre on the Gods in that Daniel STILL has to decipher the address home, even though the gate symbols are mostly the same. Put this down to just having to work out Earth's addy, and ignore comments in the movie about totally different glyphs.


    As for Ra, iirc, in the ORIGINAL version of the movie, we never actually saw the scenes now present in the director's cut where Ra looks like an Asgard, and so SG1 didn't change anything here. After the directors cut version though, which makes Ra look like an Asgard, interpret it as you will, that Ra's old host was an Asgard maybe? And just ignore the scene where the nuke blows up in his face.

    Ra's guards however were not Jaffa, O'Neill points this out in Children of the Gods, they were either very strong humans guarding Ra, OR they were minor goa'uld. Of course this is retrospective thinking. In terms of the movie itself, they would have been human.

    Basically, just allow for some differences, but treat them as a continuation, like the Buffy movie and series.

    Hope that helps.


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      #3
      Well you could also explain that we had never encountered Jaffa before. Remember in SG-1 regulalry fully trained soldiers still had to go through training for the stargate program. The soldiers in the movie would have had no idea about the Jaffa's weapons, fighting techniques, effectiveness of our weapons, etc.

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        Simple explanation is SG1 comes straight after the movie however the people who made SG1 are different to the people who made the movie and they made a few changes to better suit the TV format.
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          #5
          The series is totally inconsistent with the movie. I seriously doubt the Idiots, er TPTB that made the series ever watched the original movie.

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            Originally posted by SylvreWolfe View Post
            The series is totally inconsistent with the movie. I seriously doubt the Idiots, er TPTB that made the series ever watched the original movie.
            Of course they bloody well did.
            Do you know what the phrase 'adapted for television' meant. If you keep complete true to the movie: Ra was the last of his kind; so they'd be no baddies. The stargate only goes to Abydos, so there's no where to explore. Even if they gate does go other places, the symbols are alway different so there's never any guarantee of ever getting back.

            Its not totally inconsistent, they changed a few details to make it work as a series nothing more.
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              Originally posted by SylvreWolfe View Post
              The series is totally inconsistent with the movie. I seriously doubt the Idiots, er TPTB that made the series ever watched the original movie.
              Oh, don't be daft, of coruse they did. The movie's setting was great for a one off but unsustainable for a television shiow. They had to compromise or the show would have ended on episode 2, or would have had a nature that is completely alien to both the movie and what TPTB were aiming at. Just like when books are changed when adapted to movies. Adaptation is just that - not a one-to-one copy.
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                I would say how they relate is the giant circle thing made of metal that creates a kawoosh sound when you punch in the right sequence on the keypad.

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                  #9
                  The movie canon and the series canon are separate. This is true.

                  The show canon loosely incorporates some of the movie canon into it's own, but that's about it.

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                    Originally posted by Flying Officer Bennett View Post
                    Ok. You are going to get people coming in here and telling you that the movie is not canonical with the series. This is not true.
                    wrong. It's fairly evident by the obvious differences that the movie and tv show are not in the same canon. What is canon in the TV show is the general outline of events that happened in the movie (Jackson gets hired to solve the puzzle of the Stargate, O'Neill takes a team through to explore, they run into Ra, they defeat Ra, Jackson stays behind) - not the specific movie details.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Agent_Dark View Post
                      wrong. It's fairly evident by the obvious differences that the movie and tv show are not in the same canon. What is canon in the TV show is the general outline of events that happened in the movie (Jackson gets hired to solve the puzzle of the Stargate, O'Neill takes a team through to explore, they run into Ra, they defeat Ra, Jackson stays behind) - not the specific movie details.
                      Retconning.


                      The very fact that CoTG starts with "One Year Later".


                      It's canon, they just retconned things.


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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Apsu View Post
                        ok, just watched the Stargare movie with Ra....
                        Some stuff do not add up. like the gate dailing sequense...here there is a problem when dailing home...Becaus the sequense is not the oposiete or the same for home....its like if every phone had a own and different nr to the same other phone... that is why they bring Daniel....

                        And Ra is a alien that posseses a human body like a parasite not as a parasite, and you even get to see him, looks like a old Asgard...or rather like the one in StarCraft (game) alien race.

                        And how come that the staff weapon and skill of the Jaffa sudenly drop...Ra had 3 Jaffa, that took out the whole elit unit, and the staff weapon is more like a granade and realy penetrate the where it hits instead of just making a black mark...
                        ohh over ten years in show some things have changed.

                        but the first episode is like the second part from the movie


                        and there are 3 years from the movie and seris

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                          Originally posted by Flying Officer Bennett View Post
                          Retconning.


                          The very fact that CoTG starts with "One Year Later".


                          It's canon, they just retconned things.
                          The series writers don't have creative control over the movie, they don't have the power to retcon anything in it, all they can do is do their own thing and explain how the movie relates to their material.

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                            #14
                            Rather than argue whether the movie as a whole is or is not canon, or whether we want to call it retconning, I think it is safe to argue that most of the events that take place within the movie are canon--eg. discovery of the Stargate in Egypt, the trip to Abydos, the encounter with Ra, his defeat etc. Even General West becomes a part of canon simply because he's referred to in the series. The series adopted these and other movie elements as a part of canon.

                            But perhaps what is more important is that, despite the inconsistencies between movie and series, that to anyone contemplating watching the series for the first time from beginning to end, they should start with the movie, and not with COTG. To do the latter means one would miss many longer term story elements. The discrepancies can be explained later (as they are right now in this thread.)
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Professor D.H.D. Puddlejumper View Post
                              But perhaps what is more important is that, despite the inconsistencies between movie and series, that to anyone contemplating watching the series for the first time from beginning to end, they should start with the movie, and not with COTG. To do the latter means one would miss many longer term story elements. The discrepancies can be explained later (as they are right now in this thread.)
                              why? there is nothing in the movie that isn't explained in the first episodes of the show. Certainly not any long term story elements. The only things in the movie that are followed through in the series are the abydonians (explained and elaborated on in cotg), shaur'ai (again, explained and elaborated on in cotg) and Jack's son (dealt with in an episode in s1)

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