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    #31
    Originally posted by thekillman View Post
    back to square one:


    1: what merlin made isnt ancient made. he was ascended.
    2: atlantis was fully powered. apollo wasnt. the hyperdrives are working at 1/4th of their capability. adding a ZPM isnt cheating. but you could also just add some better asgard powersource
    Atlantis had a single ZPM. Thats not fully powered is it? Seeing as before we've been told to fly the ship 3 is needed, now we know 3 is required to fly it safely.
    Robert Jastrow (self-proclaimed agnostic): "For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries."

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      #32
      but theres a difference in flying at topspeed and flying safely. atlantis had those safeguards, so if something happened, you wouldnt be dead in space.

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        #33
        Originally posted by thekillman View Post
        but theres a difference in flying at topspeed and flying safely. atlantis had those safeguards, so if something happened, you wouldnt be dead in space.
        Atlantis has to maintain shields in hyperspace something which is apparently impossible for Asgard ships even with 4 NIG's. Its possible that to limit the strain on the single ZPM they didn't push the hyper drive to its max. It was probably not working at its full potential not to mention that we know it would have beaten the Apollo. For all we know it would have beaten it by fair margin. IMO the jury is still out on Asgard and Ancient hyper drives.
        Robert Jastrow (self-proclaimed agnostic): "For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries."

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          #34
          Originally posted by Buba uognarf View Post
          Atlantis has to maintain shields in hyperspace something which is apparently impossible for Asgard ships even with 4 NIG's. Its possible that to limit the strain on the single ZPM they didn't push the hyper drive to its max. It was probably not working at its full potential not to mention that we know it would have beaten the Apollo. For all we know it would have beaten it by fair margin. IMO the jury is still out on Asgard and Ancient hyper drives.
          Well, actually, we still don't know, because the apollo's hyperdrives are still limited by its power generators. Asgard hyperdrives can cross galaxies in a very short time. But, Atlantis's hyperdrives are still pretty powerful. The Asuran ships weren't the same as the Ancient ones simply because the actual Ancient ships would have suffered no damage whatsoever from the Wraith or Travelers ships. The Orion, a damaged and underpowered aurora class was still able to take out a Wraith hive ship relatively easily. With adequate power. The Asurans had over 30 ships vs. only seven hives, several Travelers ships, and 2 Earth ships. Even if the Earth ships could do some damage to them, the Asuran ships should have wiped out the Wraith and traveler ships. Why? Because the ratio of aurora-to-hive is atleast 1:5, and drones are still effective, even if they magically couldn't go through Asgard or Traveler shields (a convenient plothole IMO). Conveniently, the Asurans did not launch swarms of drones, nor did they really engage in battle. So, BAMSR is not a good reference for ship-to-ship comparisons.
          Never, never, never believe any war will be smooth or easy...

          ... or that any man can measure the tides and hurricanes he will
          encounter on the strange journey.


          Spoiler:

          2 Cor. 10:3-5
          3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
          4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds; )
          5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

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            #35
            , even if they magically couldn't go through Asgard or Traveler shields (a convenient plothole IMO).
            that only seems to work on weak shields. we have drone immune shields [no penetration] either due to advancement or modding the shields to be drone proof.[tao of rodney, or asgard made it, or we made it using drone research].

            travellers couldve gotten it from us.

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              #36
              Originally posted by thekillman View Post
              that only seems to work on weak shields. we have drone immune shields [no penetration] either due to advancement or modding the shields to be drone proof.[tao of rodney, or asgard made it, or we made it using drone research].

              travellers couldve gotten it from us.
              That would definitely make drones a less advanced technology, which seems contrary to what they have been portrayed as. Anubis's shields were pretty asvanced, and even Ancient derived. It's very possible he could have gone head-to-head with an Asgard ship. I think the writers changed the original advantage of drone tech when they developed the Asurans, realizing that the SGA team would logically not be able to defend against such an advantage. Travelers did not get shield tech from us. their shields are completely different. It's possible they studied the Ancient warship's shields, but if that's the case, how did the traveler's warship's drones penetrate the shields of the Asuran warships? plothole.
              Never, never, never believe any war will be smooth or easy...

              ... or that any man can measure the tides and hurricanes he will
              encounter on the strange journey.


              Spoiler:

              2 Cor. 10:3-5
              3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
              4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds; )
              5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

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                #37
                i mean the drone immunity thing.

                we have access to drones. we couldve figured it out. or the asgard decided it woulnt be funny if their shields would be just bypassed, and figured out a way. and gave it to us too. and we decided the travellers wouldnt be much use without that formula, and we gave it to them.

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                  #38
                  just for the record.

                  the asuran ships didnt fire drones they were firing beams. because drones are fired from only one location from the ship as seen when the arora piloted by sheppard fires in the same scene. plus the asuran tech are cheap replicates anyways.

                  the ancient drones own all. FACT

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                    #39
                    Drones are just as good as beam weapons against all the targets we've seen them both used against.

                    A single drone from a puddle jumper crippled a cruiser.
                    A small cluster of drones (6) fired from a puddle jumper hitting an undamaged section finished off a Hive ship.
                    A few drones blew an Asuran Aurora to pieces.

                    In all these cases the drones did as well as the Asgard beams IMO. We don't know how well Drones do against Ori shields and we don't know how well our shields could truly hold up against Drones or Asgard beams.

                    Asgard beam weapons are good because they do loads of damage in a single shot. Drones are good for precision strikes and general targeting. I'd assume the Ancients didn't have a problem building drones to replenish their supplies.
                    Robert Jastrow (self-proclaimed agnostic): "For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries."

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Ltcolshepjumper
                      That would definitely make drones a less advanced technology, which seems contrary to what they have been portrayed as. Anubis's shields were pretty asvanced, and even Ancient derived. It's very possible he could have gone head-to-head with an Asgard ship. I think the writers changed the original advantage of drone tech when they developed the Asurans, realizing that the SGA team would logically not be able to defend against such an advantage. Travelers did not get shield tech from us. their shields are completely different. It's possible they studied the Ancient warship's shields, but if that's the case, how did the traveler's warship's drones penetrate the shields of the Asuran warships? plothole.
                      Joe Mallozzi did say that the Asuran battle ships weren't as good as the Ancient ones. They are apparently very good imitations, but not as good as the original. This of course nicely solves the perceived plotholes. Which means we still don't know if Ancient drones can penetrate Asgard shields. I do think that the Asgard beam weapons can penetrate an Ancients Aurora class ship, because the Wraith could do it, and the Asgard beams are more powerful than the Wraith weapons.
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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Betelgeuze View Post
                        Joe Mallozzi did say that the Asuran battle ships weren't as good as the Ancient ones. They are apparently very good imitations, but not as good as the original. This of course nicely solves the perceived plotholes. Which means we still don't know if Ancient drones can penetrate Asgard shields. I do think that the Asgard beam weapons can penetrate an Ancients Aurora class ship, because the Wraith could do it, and the Asgard beams are more powerful than the Wraith weapons.
                        Well, how long exactly does it take for a Wraith Hive to weaken the shields of an Aurora class Ancient warship? The Wraith even said the Ancient vessels were near invincible compared to the wraith hives. It took many hives to destroy their ships. We still don't know how the Asgard weapons actually work. It seems odd that the Asgard could make such a leap in technology in only one year. Remember, the Ori ships suffered virtually no damage in the Camelot battle, possibly because of their power source. The Asgard weapons were obviously designed to work solely on the Ori ships, but were able to work on any vessels. I don't remember the Asgard ever saying they actually studied drone technology. If they had, they would have been able to defeat the Goauld, Replicators and Ori. I doubt they retrieved that info. And no doubt they would have made drone tech.
                        Never, never, never believe any war will be smooth or easy...

                        ... or that any man can measure the tides and hurricanes he will
                        encounter on the strange journey.


                        Spoiler:

                        2 Cor. 10:3-5
                        3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
                        4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds; )
                        5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

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                          #42
                          How would the Asgard been able to defeat the Replicators with drones? The Wraith beat the Ancients and they had inferior technology, they won through superior numbers. Not only were the Replicators far more numerous than the Asgard, they also possessed superior shields and weapons technology.

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Giantevilhead View Post
                            How would the Asgard been able to defeat the Replicators with drones? The Wraith beat the Ancients and they had inferior technology, they won through superior numbers. Not only were the Replicators far more numerous than the Asgard, they also possessed superior shields and weapons technology.
                            The replicators seemed to be vulnerable to Ancient technology. The Dakara weapon was able to pass through their shields, why not drones?
                            Robert Jastrow (self-proclaimed agnostic): "For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries."

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by Buba uognarf View Post
                              The replicators seemed to be vulnerable to Ancient technology. The Dakara weapon was able to pass through their shields, why not drones?
                              The Dakara weapon only worked because it killed all the Replicators at the same time. They won't be able to do that with drones. It would have only been a matter of time before the Replicators overwhelms a ship carrying drones and absorbs that technology. Also, in order to destroy the Replicators, sufficient damage has to be done to the Replicator blocks, if there are enough blocks intact then they could reassemble themselves.

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Giantevilhead View Post
                                How would the Asgard been able to defeat the Replicators with drones? The Wraith beat the Ancients and they had inferior technology, they won through superior numbers. Not only were the Replicators far more numerous than the Asgard, they also possessed superior shields and weapons technology.
                                If they had the knowledge, they would have used every piece of technology available to defeat the Replicators. And swarms of drones were much more effective than the conventional Asgard weapons.
                                Never, never, never believe any war will be smooth or easy...

                                ... or that any man can measure the tides and hurricanes he will
                                encounter on the strange journey.


                                Spoiler:

                                2 Cor. 10:3-5
                                3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
                                4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds; )
                                5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

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