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    Default Lovecraft in SGU

    I think it would be awesome so somehow tie in the Cthulhu Mythos somehow...I have no idea how but I think that would be so awesome

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    Default Re: Lovecraft in SGU

    I disagree. But I'm probably wrong.

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    Default Re: Lovecraft in SGU

    Colour out of space seems like a good alien threat. A pervasive grey death that infects entire worlds killing most things and mutating others into ghastly forms.

    Eyah eyah cuthlhu ftaghen!

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    I agree completely. I wish a sci-fi show would use more lovecraftian elements. If they are exploring the universe it would be great to see some truly godlike nightmarish threats beyond imagination...not more dull biped aliens. Ia! Ia! Shub-Niggurath!!!



    hell, my own stargate series concept had the idea of them finding abandoned ancient cyclopean cities at the edge of the universe and accidently awakening a race of "flying polps" which existed before the universe began, as well as the strange effect these pre-universal beings have on the rest of the universe with their own laws/physics....probably too "out there" for mainstream audiences though. I should really post the three page concept up somewhere though...
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    Default Re: Lovecraft in SGU

    Yes, let's tie Stargate into another fictional universe...

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    Default Re: Lovecraft in SGU

    Or at least some based heavily in Lovecraftian mythos

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    Unless Universe can come up with something original (which is hard to do, Original ideas don't exist), then the Lovecraft mythos would be perfect. Dark, Unexplored and Totally Alien.

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    Default Re: Lovecraft in SGU

    Quote Originally Posted by kymeric View Post
    Colour out of space seems like a good alien threat. A pervasive grey death that infects entire worlds killing most things and mutating others into ghastly forms.

    Eyah eyah cuthlhu ftaghen!
    Ooh kinky!

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    I kinda thought a being like Sovereign from Mass Effect (who is inspired by Lovecraftian Mythos) would be a good villian.
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    Folks have been clamoring for Lovecraftian stuff in Stargate since the days of SG-1. I used to be one of them; even wrote a crossover-ish fanfic.

    Now, however... I think it's a subject best left alone. The Cthulhu mythos is too easy to get wrong, as legions of cheesetastic movies prove, and I doubt TPTB would be up to the task of doing it right when they keep screwing up their own stuff all the time. I'm to the point where I'd rather see no Cthluhu than to see it done badly, which means TPTB are out of the picture. LOL!

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    I don't think we need to actually see Cthulhu. But there have been many versions of beings that sound similar and seem similar.

    Warcraft's "Old Gods" are based on Lovecraft's beings. There was a character called "C'thun."

    Justice League Unlimited had an apparently godlike being that was "Great Old One", called "Ikthultu"

    I thought they all worked in the story fine. And came across as effective enemies to the good guys, without seeming absurd.
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    Yeah, but we're talking about Stargate's writers, here. Do you seriously think they'd be able to pull off a Cthulhu-esque storyline without making it a complete embarrassment?

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    I can't say I'm intimately familiar with Lovecraftian Fiction, but I am more familiar with beings, based on some of its concepts. It can't be too difficult to some manner of frighteningly alien and unfathomably powerful monstrosity. At the end of the day it wouldn't even need to be much like like Cthulhu visually.

    As I mentioned before, someone like "Sovereign" would work well and doesn't exactly seem to be beyond what I imagine the Stargate writers would be capable of.


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    I agree with a Sovereign like being but I would like to see something that's not Man (or Alien) made. Something living maybe not even sentient but a being whose very nature is pure evil

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    i would say a situation like in call of cthulu would be bad, but i like the idea of that story about the antarctic expidition where they run across the old city would work well.

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    Basically I would love to see the SGU enemy be able to be described as grotesque in every sense of the word...something VERY dark and horrific and grotesque...not something that wants power or worship just to feed

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    I always thought it'd be cool to have an utterly alien enemy, one that's unknowable and unapproachable and maybe even one whose sole purpose is to wipe out all life in the universe that isn't it. However, I was informed that this was a hopelessly naive and ridiculous wish because no audience could possibly accept an enemy if they can't identify with them.

    Oh well. I guess that leaves out malevolent tentacled nightmares from beyond the depths of space, too.

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    Well think about it...the last great enemy were evil ascended beings....basically demi-gods...the only thing that could really pose a threat now would have to be a...well..a God a vast semi-corporeal being.

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    well, lovecraftian is just a term for a certain "style", often called "cosmic horror" but some of us.

    It doesnt have to be part of the cthulhu mythos EXACTLY.

    Look at films like Carpenters The Thing, possibly the most lovecraftian film ever. Infact, its rather reminiscent of "Mountains of madness".

    Also, cthulhu himself is the most overused of the Old ones IMO. Yog-Sothoth, Nyaralathotep and Shub-Niggurath are the coolest and I love the Yithians, Gugs and Flying polyps!

    And yeah, iv wanted lovecraftian elements since SG1 began.

    I also mentioned previously how the Necrons from Warhammer 40,000 would fit Stargate very well, they are both lovecraftian and have a stargate esque feel. Just one example of how that kind of thing could fit seamlessly into Stargate mythology and expanding it without making it contrived.

    So I stand by my idea of pre-universal beings based on lovecraftian design, very "out there", very "stargate", something fresh and different for the mythos and would fit the "grander" scale of the new series....

    ShadowMaat brings an excellent point that doing it not at all is better than making it cheesey though. I for one am sick of cheese dominating the sci-fi genre in TV form.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowMaat View Post
    I always thought it'd be cool to have an utterly alien enemy, one that's unknowable and unapproachable and maybe even one whose sole purpose is to wipe out all life in the universe that isn't it. However, I was informed that this was a hopelessly naive and ridiculous wish because no audience could possibly accept an enemy if they can't identify with them.

    Oh well. I guess that leaves out malevolent tentacled nightmares from beyond the depths of space, too.

    Urgh, you hit a nerve there. One of my biggest pet-peeves with TV sci-fans is that whole narrow-minded attitude of "wah we dont want something we cant relate with" BS, when sci-fi is meant to show us things we've never dreamt of, thought of or imagined before and limiting that because we "dont relate to it" goes against the core concept of sci-fi exploring THE UNKNOWN.

    Hell, I will go further and add that I feel sci-fi, like fantasy is an exploration of our own imaginations. But unlike fantasy, sci-fi to me is speculative of what could exist, what could happen, what might happen and such. Limiting that just goes against what it means IMO. The imagination should never be limited! only pushed further into new unexplored areas of thought and creation.
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