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    Uncertain Re: What happens when you go through a stargate wormhole backwards??

    Quote Originally Posted by aarlin81 View Post
    Simply says that you can't. It doesn't answer the question. Read the thread title again ...

    What happens when you go through a stargate wormhole backwards??
    Oh i misunderstood the question you cant go backwards you can enter the event horizon and be de molecularised but if you aren't pulled out or pushed out by something coming through then you will cease to exist when the gate disengaes

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    Default Re: What happens when you go through a stargate wormhole backwards??

    Quote Originally Posted by sunrek View Post
    What do you mean he bites his tounge? It could be true. When have we seen something go all the way through the EH of a receiving gate? Sticking your hand into it doesn't count. And the M.A.L.P. from "A Hundred Days" was said to "Slip back through the event horizon" not explicitly destroyed. It could have been spit out later and destroyed when Teal'c dialed in.
    What i mean is that it was clearly shown in the show that anything fully entering the event horizon on the receiving gate is not transported and is not reintegrated or spilled back. But in his blog JM he stated otherwise, thats what i mean, contradictory statements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunrek View Post
    It could have been spit out later and destroyed when Teal'c dialed in.
    Clearly similar when teal'c got traped in the gate buffer, any out or incoming connection clear the buffer clean effectively destroing any pattern stored.

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    Default Re: What happens when you go through a stargate wormhole backwards??

    Quote Originally Posted by Steelbox View Post
    What i mean is that it was clearly shown in the show that anything fully entering the event horizon on the receiving gate is not transported and is not reintegrated or spilled back.
    When? I can't think of any time we have seen anything go into a receiving Stargate except "A Hundred Days"...

    Quote Originally Posted by Steelbox View Post
    Clearly similar when teal'c got traped in the gate buffer, any out or incoming connection clear the buffer clean effectively destroing any pattern stored.
    OR it kept getting spit out and falling back in continuously. Then once the wormhole shut down and it was spat out one last time, it crashed on the floor of the cavern and was destroyed by the unstable vortex when the wormhole Teal'c came in on connected.

    Wait...They were two separate wormholes, right? That's how T knew he had to use climbing equipment?

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    Default Re: What happens when you go through a stargate wormhole backwards??

    alternatively the malps wieght may have exerted more force that the event horizon its only a gentle push.

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    Default Staragate Conundrum...

    I couldn't find anything relating to this in a search so I'll feel free to go ahead and ask:

    What happens to you if you walk through the 'wrong' side of an established wormhole?
    I.E, the opposite side that the WHOOSH emerges from.

    I can't think of any examples from the show that depict this happening, but I can think of three possible answers.

    A) Most likely, due to it never occuring on the show - you die.
    B) You pass through the wormhole as you normally would, arriving safely at the destination gate.
    C) You pass through the event horizon ineffectually...ending up on the 'right' side of the gate.

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    Default Re: Staragate Conundrum...

    Quote Originally Posted by Albeno View Post
    I couldn't find anything relating to this in a search so I'll feel free to go ahead and ask:

    What happens to you if you walk through the 'wrong' side of an established wormhole?
    I.E, the opposite side that the WHOOSH emerges from.

    I can't think of any examples from the show that depict this happening, but I can think of three possible answers.

    A) Most likely, due to it never occuring on the show - you die.
    B) You pass through the wormhole as you normally would, arriving safely at the destination gate.
    C) You pass through the event horizon ineffectually...ending up on the 'right' side of the gate.
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    Default Re: Staragate Conundrum...

    Quote Originally Posted by lordofseas View Post
    We. Don't. Know.
    and don't let anyone tell you different.

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    Default Re: Staragate Conundrum...

    Quote Originally Posted by lordofseas View Post
    We. Don't. Know.
    Exactly Maybe we should ask someone who might know for sure. I'll copy/paste Albeno's post there if that's ok.

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    Default Re: What happens when you go through a stargate wormhole backwards??

    To original post:

    Well, based on the discussion in this thread:

    http://forum.gateworld.net/showthrea...that-bother-me ,

    the gate must be able to handle particles moving in the opposite direction on the "starting" end somehow, as even if you walk into it, not all the particles in your body must necessarily be moving in the same direction (e.g. blood running back from the leg you're just putting through the gate). So, it should be able to do this on the other end too.

    It would seem logical to me that even if the travel is only possible on one end, the buffer is still on both ends and so is the event horizon which dematerialises anything that goes through. So, if you stick a limb into the wrong end, it should just go into the buffer and be recostructed upon being pulled out. If you go in entirely, then you're either boned as you'll be stuck in the buffer until you fade from it in two days, or the gate has a failsafe and just chucks you out the front (or the back) of itself, i.e. for all intents and purposes, you just walk through the puddle like it wasn't there.

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    Default Re: Staragate Conundrum...

    Quote Originally Posted by Pharaoh Atem View Post
    and don't let anyone tell you different.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mike. View Post
    Exactly Maybe we should ask someone who might know for sure. I'll copy/paste Albeno's post there if that's ok.
    Has he answered? (I don't read Mallozzi's blog. )
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    Default Re: Staragate Conundrum...

    I apologise for re-addressing the thread so late...

    I'm completely new at this so please bare with me;

    Firstly of all I should probably point out that most of what I'm about to write is pure conjecture, based heavily on what I have learnt from watching all of the Stargate franchises and what I know of physics as we understand it today.

    I would approach this question first of all from an engineering POV. However, firstly I must highlight a foundation for my assumptions.

    I. The Stargate film must be completely ignored... The Roland Emmerich film, although brilliant, was sadly a 90s film with very little true understanding of the physics it was trying to work with. At the point in which they first activate the gate, they send a MALP through and claim it went to a planet in the "Kalium galaxy? - On the other side of the known universe." - I'm sorry, but no... just no...

    II. The artificial wormhole created between two stargates is what we understand in physics today to be an Einstein-Rosen bridge. I make this assumption based on information learnt from the franchise about how the gate works.
    There is some sort of field at the EH that breaks down matter into it's base molecules in order for the information to be transmitted through the wormhole. - This corresponds to an Einstein-Rosen bridge wherein a wormhole is actually less like a 'tunnel' of equal height in all directions and it actually more like two cones stuck together at there point.

    At the thinnest part of the wormhole, ('the middle') only the smallest matter can get through.

    III. The EH that we see as a puddle is a 2D projection of a 3D object. Bare with me on this one.
    A wormhole is obviously a 3D object it has height, width and depth. However the 'puddle' is a 2D plane in a 3D world (a hole).

    IV. We know that information (be it people, machines, food etc.) can be stored (and are stored) in a stargates 'buffer' before being sent to the destination gate. We also know that if something goes wrong a stargate can 'spit' this information back out at the 'dialing' end.

    Now, assuming the above information is true. We can take an engineering standpoint and imagine for a moment we are the gate-builders.

    As a gate-builder, I know that I can transmit information through my wormhole in both directions. The problem is what happens in the middle (the smallest part of the wormhole where only a single molecule can pass through).

    If I sent a Hydrogen atom through the dialling gate at the same time as I sent a hydrogen atom through the destination gate and they met in the middle, due to the speeds they are travelling, they would simple annihilate. Making all gate travel in both directions impossible.

    So, as a built-in, hardcoded, safety feature I would program my stargate to be only one way. One information stream sent from one end, to the other end. Furthermore, the dialling end would be the departure point as that gate has chosen the destination.

    A gate could potentially send travellers in both directions like so: a man walks into the dialling end, is 'dematerialised' and stored in the buffer. At the same time a woman walks into the destination end and is 'dematerialised' and stored in the buffer. The dialling stargate sends a signal (through the wormhole) to the destination gate asking if there is a complete pattern stored? If the destination gate responds with 'YES' the man's pattern is sent and on completion the woman's pattern is then sent. - This would eliminate the inhalation problem in the 'middle' of the wormhole. Now the transaction is complete, they can re-materialise each individual at there opposite ends. The only remaining problem is that a gate is probably unable to to perform de-materialisation and re-materialisation at the same time.

    My second safety feature would be to make sure that the field that de-materialises information only act's on matter from the front. I would do this by checking for attenuation of the field and only starting the de-materialisation process once force was applied from the 'front' of the gate. I would ensure this was the case because I'm not entirely sure that de-materialising two different pieces of information at the same point in space and time is at all possible.

    The EH is a 2D (hole) in 3D space, walking into the back of it would do nothing, because technically, it isn't there... So the only thing you would actually be doing is walking through the wrong end of a de-materialisation field. Which (because of the second safety feature) would do nothing... Unless you wanted to program it to repel anything that exerted force onto the field. Which brings us to the third safety feature...

    I would, most certainly program the 'back-end' of the field to repel matter. This doesn't mean it wouldn't 'throw you off' it would probably simple feel solid. This would be because if you could just walk through the back of an active stargate and come out at the front, completely un-touched so could a projectile (like a bullet). If which case your journey through a stargate would always have the potential risk of dying immediately on re-materialisation.

    Please pick holes in my suggestion so that we can get to the bottom of this together

    TL,DR: If the 'ancients' are clever, you physically can not walk into the back of a stargate. However, if you could, you would just walk straight through and nothing would happen to you...

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    Default Re: What happens when you go through a stargate wormhole backwards??

    Super bump!

    Personally I feel it's obvious what happens if you enter from the back of an outgoing stargate: the same thing that happens when you enter from the front. You hit the dematerialisation plane nose first, you exit the receiving stargate nose first. A plane doesn't care from which side you approach it, and the gate only cares about which part of you touches it in which order.
    Quote Originally Posted by Craig Charles
    "And the 'replicator' has just entered Sir Killalot's corner and Killalot is...urm...wait a minute... Sir Killalot has just been eaten by the 'replicator' and now there's two of them..."

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