atlantis subspace communication

[JDeus01]

Was Atlantis subspace communication ever repaired from the damage received in first strike/adrift? in first contact it seems than it wasn't as atlantis exp was going to send a jumper to contact the Daedalus and i don't remember any other episode after adrift were they used it

[gavo2o]

Maybe they don't understand Ancient subspace technology enough to repair it so they are useing earth made subspace transceivers to replace it and from what we have seen in the ep Critical Mass earth made subspace transceivers don't have as much range as Ancient subspace transceivers

[EternalAlteran]

Well I don't know about that, in company off thieves it was pretty effective, however as I recall our subspace could not send a message to the other side of the galaxy.

[thekillman]

actually todd made them meet in a place far from ANY gate, and outside of atlantis' range, to be fully safe

[freyr's mother]

Its a plothole. In critical mass, they had the subspace communications range extent into the void between MW and PG. It should be able to reach the entire universe because its frickin subspace.

[wkw427]

Maybe it is a shield like thing?

Only as strong as the amount of juice you pump into it?

That, or the time we got to Atlantis we jerry-rigged everything to work with our generators that they were fried or borken

[freyr's mother]

Maybe it is a shield like thing?

Only as strong as the amount of juice you pump into it?

That, or the time we got to Atlantis we jerry-rigged everything to work with our generators that they were fried or borken

Its not a shield thing. Connecting stargates use wormholes that travel through subspace making the travel instantaneuous. That also means that you could recieve any signal broadcast through subspace instantaneously. The only power issue i could see would be is whether you have the power to access subspace to broadcast the signal.

[Andru10]

Its a plothole. In critical mass, they had the subspace communications range extent into the void between MW and PG. It should be able to reach the entire universe because its frickin subspace.

Actually it doesn't extend all the way there, Hermiod modified the hyperdrive to get the Daedalus closer to Atlantis (they arrived there in a few days). I think subspace communications is just a plain old radio signal sent through subspace instead of normal space. That way the signal, travelling at c, has a shorter route to the destination as oposed to the route through normal space.

The proof for this is the fact that in Critical Mass the subspace communication wasn't in real time. Earth sent a signal to the Daedalus which probably reached the ship hours after it was sent. The same applies for the transmission Daedalus sent to Atlantis. We've also seen real-time subspace communications when the 2 transmitters are relatively close to each other.

The range is only limited by the size of the Universe as you said but the greater the distance, the more the signal degrades. If we were to send a radio transmission from Earth to the Andromeda Galaxy, it would eventually reach it but by that time the signal will be so degraded it would make it virtually impossible to reconstitute it to its original form.

[freyr's mother]

I think subspace communications is just a plain old radio signal sent through subspace instead of normal space. That way the signal, travelling at c, has a shorter route to the destination as oposed to the route through normal space.

How do you explain radio signals going through the stargate then? In rising, shouldn't it have taken a much longer time for the signal to get back from the malp and security teams okaying the go ahead for the expedition. The wormhole goes through subspace.

Actually it doesn't extend all the way there, Hermiod modified the hyperdrive to get the Daedalus closer to Atlantis (they arrived there in a few days).

The proof for this is the fact that in Critical Mass the subspace communication wasn't in real time. Earth sent a signal to the Daedalus which probably reached the ship hours after it was sent. The same applies for the transmission Daedalus sent to Atlantis. We've also seen real-time subspace communications when the 2 transmitters are relatively close to each other.

They did that thing in critical mass for the sake of the plot. They were still in the void and were able to reach atlantis. Then in First Contact the Daedalus was well within the PG. Do you see how they altered it for the sake of the plot.

I am just pointing out how it should work is different than the how the writers have it working for the sake of the plot. It seems that over the years, they keep changing so many details to serve the plot that every episode seems to have at least one inconsistency with other episodes. If they just keep things to how they should work they wouldnt have this problem of plotholes and inconsistsencies. By creating plotholes, the writers are taking the easy way out and we as a fanbase frown upon it. We know for the most part how things work and how they dont work, and we are also aware that somethings you just have to keep for the sake of entertainment (sounds in space).

[knowles2]

How do you explain radio signals going through the stargate then? In rising, shouldn't it have taken a much longer time for the signal to get back from the malp and security teams okaying the go ahead for the expedition. The wormhole goes through subspace.


They did that thing in critical mass for the sake of the plot. They were still in the void and were able to reach atlantis. Then in First Contact the Daedalus was well within the PG. Do you see how they altered it for the sake of the plot.

I am just pointing out how it should work is different than the how the writers have it working for the sake of the plot. It seems that over the years, they keep changing so many details to serve the plot that every episode seems to have at least one inconsistency with other episodes. If they just keep things to how they should work they wouldnt have this problem of plotholes and inconsistsencies. By creating plotholes, the writers are taking the easy way out and we as a fanbase frown upon it. We know for the most part how things work and how they dont work, and we are also aware that somethings you just have to keep for the sake of entertainment (sounds in space).

Actually you lot engage your brain cells, subspace signals can be trace, Zaleka can do it, the wraith can do it, if Atlantis sent a direct signal to Daedalus, good old Todd like any sensible enemy, who always making plan bs would of had his tech guys trace it back to Atlantis, giving the city location away to the enemy, yet again. And Woolsey like any good commander would of done his nuts it, IOA would of been calling for someone head.
But Shepperd and co took a few security precautions for once and flew to a other planet to try and send a signal.

[Andru10]

How do you explain radio signals going through the stargate then? In rising, shouldn't it have taken a much longer time for the signal to get back from the malp and security teams okaying the go ahead for the expedition. The wormhole goes through subspace.

I don't think they ever said in the show that the wormhole travels through subspace. I remember Sylar said in an episode that the wormhole exists in a separate dimension.

[knowles2]

I don't think they ever said in the show that the wormhole travels through subspace. I remember Sylar said in an episode that the wormhole exists in a separate dimension.

And Mckay said it numerous times. In Atlantis latest episode it 100% percent confirmed.

[freyr's mother]

Actually you lot engage your brain cells, subspace signals can be trace, Zaleka can do it, the wraith can do it, if Atlantis sent a direct signal to Daedalus, good old Todd like any sensible enemy, who always making plan bs would of had his tech guys trace it back to Atlantis, giving the city location away to the enemy, yet again. And Woolsey like any good commander would of done his nuts it, IOA would of been calling for someone head.
But Shepperd and co took a few security precautions for once and flew to a other planet to try and send a signal.

Your writing is incoherent.

[Xaeden]

Its a plothole. In critical mass, they had the subspace communications range extent into the void between MW and PG.

They sent a subspace data burst in "Critical Mass," they did not talk in real time. While "First Contact" didn't go into it at all, it's possible that their logic is that there's a very limited range when it comes to real time subspace communications and the delay when sending out a burst is so great, that it would be faster to go get everyone ready to go through the gate and be within range so they could communicate without having to sent a data burst. I admit, though, that it's a flimsy explaination.

Connecting stargates use wormholes that travel through subspace making the travel instantaneuous. That also means that you could recieve any signal broadcast through subspace instantaneously.

Wasn't it said that a wormhole was an energized conduit in subspace? I can't remember any specific episodes where they went into this sort of thing, but it was my understanding that a Stargate creates a wormhole that acts like a shortcut in subspace time (as opposed to normal spacetime which is what the real world theory is). Thus allowing for energy to travel through it much faster than is possible if you're just sending something through subspace.

[knowles2]

Your writing is incoherent.

Then I will explain it in nice,clear and simple language, just for you, and in bullets points too, woo aren't you lucky today.

The team does the stupid thing:

• Atlantis sends Daedalus a subspace massage.
• Todd pick up subspace message.
• Todd track subspace signal back to Atlantis location.
• Wraith knows the location of Atlantis, and Atlantis is in danger again dah not again.
• Next time Todd meets Shepperd will be in orbit over Atlantis.
• Wraith ships randomly bombarding the planet.
• Atlantis eventually go BOOOOM, ( insert the regular life saving plot device here that prevents the big boom) .

Instead team does the smart thing:

• Shepherd and his merry band of men/women decides to go to a other planet to send the subspace message.
  
• Any tracking done by the wraith will lead them to a uninhabited planet.
  
• They relies the Atlantis team has engage it brains for once.
  
• Todd gain slightly more respect for Shepperd and his merry band of men/women.
  
• And no danger to Atlantis.

You see they actually did the smart thing, for once. Whole and before you say you cannot trace secure signals. You do not think the the Ancients would of implemented every safe guard they know off in the Attoro device subspace transponder and Zelenka tracking that one alright.