Let's hide the jumper using smoke!

[x303]

sometimes i think some of u read into stuff and get all complicated and don't get. so ur basically mckay-ing this up. lets shep it up. make it simple.

MALP goes thru sets off smoke so they cant see anything and they're only depending on sensors.

wraith detect (not see) 2 readings once the smoke fills the area.

they're firing so much on the target, that when sensors see 1 reading drop (the malp being destroyed) and the 2nd reading drop (the puddlejumper cloaking) they think they just destroyed whatever came thru and that whoever it was woudn't think of coming thru again.

we didnt see the full affect of the smoke screen but im sure it wud of been thick and wide spread (what little Ion said).

the wraith probably did send some other wraith out to check it but coz the puddlejumper was cloaked they cant find out where they went or where they are.

the smoke was there to allow the PJ to cloak before the wraith got a visual or any other readings in the sky. it also served the prupose of tricking them in to believing what ever things they were firing at in the smoke were destroyed allowing the PJ to get away before they even clocked on to the idea of a cloaked ship got thru.

[Cryowolf]

Wraith 1: Dude was that a ship just now that cloaked?
Wraith 2: Yeah but no need to report it, it's gone now.
Wraith 1: Looked an awful lot like a jumper.
Wraith 2: Yeah but it's cloaked, let's forget about it and resume shooting at the MALP.

[EnterTheWormhole]

I guess the Wraith noted two signs on the sensors, but assumed it was a malfunction of the system...

[x303]

LOOK THERE WAS NO MALFUNCTION AND NO WRAITH SAW THE PJ

AS FAR AS THE WRAITH KNEW THE GATE ACTIVATED, THEY BLASTED THE MALP A THICK SMOKE COVERED THE AREA THEY PICKED UP SOMETHING ELSE ON THE SENSORS WHILE THEY WERE STILL BLASTING AT THE MALP. THEY SAW NOTHING IN THE SMOKE OR COME OUT OF THE SMOKE.

ALL THEY THINK IS THAT 2 THINGS CAME THRU THE GATE AND THEY DESTROYED IT.

THEY MAY OF SENT A FOOT PATROL IN AFTER BUT THEY WOULDN'T OF SEEN ANYTHING.

THEY WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW WHERE TO GO TO FIND THE JUMPER COZ ITS CLOAKED.


not sure how their life sign detectors work, and whether they could pick anythin up that far away while still on the planet or whether they can pick up individual life signs on a planetary scale so far away.

[FallenAngelII]

For the love of puppies, have you guys even watched the show?!

Wraith Hives have detectors specifically designed to detect ships. They're not even supposed to pick unimportant things like MALPs. What, a space-deer skips by and the Hives pick them up as a ships? Not really.

Now, there were two Hives there. They should have men manning the sensors and consoles at all times. What if an enemy hive decides to attack? Or, gasp, the Atlantis expedition?

You don't leave your consoles unmanned. And if they were manned, they would've both picked up the Jumper's signal. As such, it wouldn't have been some sort of malfunction since they both picked it up. And even if only one ship was manned, you'd have to be a moron to just go "Malfunction!" when you know that the Lanteans (because who else has friggin' MALPs?!) possess cloaked ships which cannot cloak when going through the gate but immediately afterwards, thus a blip on your scanner right after a gate activates should be highly interesting.

Nobody cares if the smoke screen somehow made them invisble to the Darts' pilots' naked eyes... the Hives (and I bet the Darts themselves! What modern aircrafts do not possess some kind of radar technology?!) have friggin' ship sensors.

[BuggyMan]

For the love of puppies, have you guys even watched the show?!

Wraith Hives have detectors specifically designed to detect ships. They're not even supposed to pick unimportant things like MALPs. What, a space-deer skips by and the Hives pick them up as a ships? Not really.

Pure speculation that doesn't become true just by repeating it.
Sensors record signals that they receive, some are passive and only receive while some are active and send out signals in order to receive signals (like echoes).
The signals have to be interpreted e.g. by a computer. It will look for "interesting" patterns in the signals like large coherent (maybe moving) volumes of metal. That would fit ships and MALPs. Now if you did not want to have MALPs to show up on your "radar" you would need to have sufficiently detailed sensor readings (to even tell apart those volumes of metal) and then specifically tell the computer to ignore the MALPs.
Specialization is the hard part not generalization. Why would the wraiths put work into not detecting something that does not occur naturally?
They should be clever enough to know that everything is potentially a danger so if your sensors don't pick something like it up every minute there is no reason to exclude it from the scans.
According to your logic the team should have just stepped out of the gate because noone would notice them as they clearly not resemble ships.

Just like the smoke particles prevent light from passing it could hinder other signals (they are all just electro magnetic waves) so it could have at least blurred their sensor vision. Impossible to know for sure so I just accept it.

[unluckynumber11]

For the love of puppies, have you guys even watched the show?!
Wraith Hives have detectors specifically designed to detect ships. They're not even supposed to pick unimportant things like MALPs. What, a space-deer skips by and the Hives pick them up as a ships? Not really.

Now, there were two Hives there. They should have men manning the sensors and consoles at all times. What if an enemy hive decides to attack? Or, gasp, the Atlantis expedition?

You don't leave your consoles unmanned. And if they were manned, they would've both picked up the Jumper's signal. As such, it wouldn't have been some sort of malfunction since they both picked it up. And even if only one ship was manned, you'd have to be a moron to just go "Malfunction!" when you know that the Lanteans (because who else has friggin' MALPs?!) possess cloaked ships which cannot cloak when going through the gate but immediately afterwards, thus a blip on your scanner right after a gate activates should be highly interesting.

Nobody cares if the smoke screen somehow made them invisble to the Darts' pilots' naked eyes... the Hives (and I bet the Darts themselves! What modern aircrafts do not possess some kind of radar technology?!) have friggin' ship sensors.

no, i haven't


it's a big galaxy maybe one of the advanced civilizations weir mentioned have some.

[FallenAngelII]

Stuff.

After fighting the Ancients for over 100 years and then the expedition for longer, you'd think the Wraith would be able to tell a Jumper from a MALP.

For one thing, as long as a ship is close enough, Atlantis' sensors can sense what kind of ship it is. And by close, I mean millions of miles. Since the gate was within viewing distance of the Hives, they were obviously "in range". Again, what kind of ston age sensors do people think the Wraith possess?

If they can't tell the difference between a Jumper and a MALP, what's to prevent them from detecting a ship every single time an asteroid with large amounts of metal inside of it flies by in space? Of course they've refined their sensors to scan for specific things to differentiate between random stuff and actual ships, especially ships like those of their most hated enemies (old!Lanteans and new!Lanteans).

And I think it's a stupid notion that smoke would somehow shield them from the sensors (even if that's what the writers intended for the smoke to be used for). Pah, smoke (in other words, bad writing!).

[Anda]

What kind of BS is that? Do the Wraith not have detectors? Do they not have personnel at their consoles at all times to monitor incoming ships and other things (even if they don't, how would we know that? Why would we risk it using smoke in the hopes of the Wraith being incompetent?)?

What good does smoke do? Is that magical smoke that cloaks ships? Where the heck are the darts that were most probably the things firing on the MALP? Are the pilots blind? That smoke wasn't even that thick.

Seriously, let's stop making the Wraith less not-smart than seagulls in order for the expedition to use rather harebrained schemes.

but mayby the wraith are realy incompetent.Don't you tink??

[tombombadil]

wouldn't you still be able to see the ripples of the ship when it went through the gate??

[nx01a]

Besides, they cloaked the Gateship (yes I am THAT cool) as soon as it was out of the Stargate, so they only really needed a temporary veil.

But can't Wraith sensors penetrate simple smoke? Must be special EM defracting smoke... For that 1/2 a second they're visible, wouldn't the sensors aboard 2 hive ships detect something fishy?

[Arga]

I'm sure the writer didn't have in mind the possibility of Hives sensors, and that he was focused only on the wraith guards own eyes near the Stargate.

They should definitely submit every idea of script here, for our analysis, before going on air with plotholes & inconsistancies.

Anyway, it was nice seeing a MALP again! reminds me of good old times...