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    Happy Birthday, Luz!


    I was looking at the following pics from Coup and Misbegotten and it seems like the things on her desk like to move around. Now I can put that down to the props dept or I can stick my fingers in my ears and pretend there's some significant meaning to Lizzie moving them.

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    Happy Birthday, Luz!
    In the pics, it seems like it keeps getting closer to her....

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    Quote Originally Posted by A.L. View Post

    I'm in no way saying TPTB of SGA should follow the entire pattern that Farscape used, but come ON! You can do something that has a huge impact on the show but it doesn't have to kill it. It can simply take it in a new direction or at least help your character develop, which is a big thing for fans and actors alike.

    Maybe that's what we are all trying to say. Hitting the reset button does not develop characters. Sometimes it seems like they're doing one and occasionally two act plays. Different every time with no relationship to earlier events except on a superficial basis.


    I'm agree with much of this as well. I still love the show, and I still plan to watch it when it comes back on, but there do seem to be some things that are off at the moment. I wish I could elaborate because I'm sure TPTB and writers don't like being told "I don't know how it's broken, but fix it anyway." Leaves too much room for even more error. It's like taking your car to a mechanic and saying "Well it sounds fine and rides smooth but I don't know, there's just something wrong." Or going to a doctor and not giving any symptoms but telling him to make you feel better. He'd probably tell you to go to a shrink cuz you're nuts.

    Okay, I'm done with the analogies.

    If we could fix it, we'd be professional writers LOL. Granted S3 is much better than S2 but still not as good as S1 IMHO. Why? Part may be because they've lost some of the earlier sense of wonder, especially John who was meant to be the "fish out of water" through whose eyes the audience saw the situation. In every conversation like this someone inevitably mentions TS/TE as the ultimate John episode. Interesting, because what you essentially had was an emotional John who was slightly out of control. An early example of doing anything for the team that really got kind of glossed over in S2 when he mostly just tried to avoid fighting. I love Ronon, but I think bringing him in to as JF said "kick ass so I won't have to" changed John in profound ways. They are moving back to soldier John which pleases me greatly and is a fine start on fixing the show IMHO. What else needs to be done? Well, let's see, decide whether Rodney actually knows how to use a gun, pick a persona for Teyla, give Elizabeth and Carson more to do would be a small start. I think Ronon is coming along fine BTW. And since this is the S/W thread I'd add show us that they run the city in tandem. Let's see them planning strategy, eating a meal together for **** sake would the planet stop rotating?, and arguing. They can't agree all the time.

    I'm not sure the Wraith being able to "detect" the change in Shep is what should have happened, but there should definitely have been some other lingering things because of his conversion BESIDES just always saying how much he hates bugs. That's NOT not hitting the reset button. That's just a cop-out.

    Although, In Common Ground
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    the wraith did make mention of Shep being different than any person he's fed on before. Mayhap we be able to hope they actually take that somewhere and bring back the whole bug-bite/conversion thing in an actual story line? Lingering effects?


    Here's hoping.

    Now that last part would be a very good thing. I want to see Shep and Weir captured by Kolya. Let him bring in another wraith to almost feed on Elizabeth in front of John. Let's see what happens then. I want Kolya to use her as his weakness against him. Once and for all we might find out how he really feels about her.


    I think we're all in agreement that a fight is needed now. Part of what is so great about Sparky is the passion (and I mean more than just the romantic kind) that you feel between them. They are both passionate people. With strong emotions and determination behind everything they do. Elizabeth is a peacemaker who fought for so long to make words her choice of weapon. Sheppard is the military man who was trained that talking only goes so far. They both defend what they feel to be right as strongly as they can. And yet, their time together has given them both new perspectives. Sheppard still believes fighting is many times necessary but now he's more willing to try talking first if he can. And Lizzie, as much as she may not like it, she realizes that sometimes, talking only gets you so far and then new options need to be considered.

    Okay, I totally segued (SP?) there. Sorry. Let me sum up. Shep/Weir make a great team and have the potential for a great couple. They're intelligent, strong but willing to learn new things. A great couple is made up of people who can teach each other but also learn from each other. A great couple also has big fights but still find their way to the top together.

    Some of the very things you mentioned here are used by Liz haters to criticize her as being poorly writtten when really they just want to get rid of her. I think the fact that she's changed is a good thing. If she were still anti-military and wanted to negotiate with the wraith, I'd probably stop watching. The change in John is more subtle, but look at the arguments they had in Rising and HZ and then look at how he reacts to her decisions now. They have a whole new bunch of reasons to argue. None of which TPTB seem willing to expand on.
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    e.g. how he always risks his own safety to save others or even her dealings with the IOA. Some of that last just shows how much he trusts her, but I'd like to see how he reacts when brought into the loop fully on how Woolsey manipulated her.




    I'd like to comment on these two points of view but I'm afraid if I do we'll end up with a buzz cut Shep. Oooo! I know! Leave the hair and the occasional stubble but give us DressBlues!Shep once or twice. A tux would be nice as well. One of the cool ones. And Lizzie in a pretty gown. Both getting more than just a head shot in those clothes. We wanna see the whole ensamble. Teyla in a gown as well and Ronon in whatever passes for nice duds to him. No tux. *shudder* They'd clash with the dreds.

    They compliment each other so well, don't they?

    AL
    Yes, they do, but sadly I doubt we'll ever see Shep in uniform. The Air Force wouldn't allow it. They'd have to do some sort of generic uniform. Now, a tux is another story. But don't worry, he'll wear one at their wedding.

    Happy birthday, Luz!!! Those objects keep getting closer together: the 3 things I love most by Lizzie Weir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SallyLizzie View Post
    Happy Birthday, Luz!


    I was looking at the following pics from Coup and Misbegotten and it seems like the things on her desk like to move around. Now I can put that down to the props dept or I can stick my fingers in my ears and pretend there's some significant meaning to Lizzie moving them.

    Spoiler:

    I can never look at that last picture with a straight face ever again. My eyes keep wandering to a certain silver object in front of Elizabeth. And it's all your fault sally.

    HAPPY BIRTHDAY LUZ!

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    I can never look at that last picture with a straight face ever again. My eyes keep wandering to a certain silver object in front of Elizabeth. And it's all your fault sally.
    Why do I get blamed for everything?

    All I'll add to that is it went from not being on her desk, to right up close by her. Closer than Mint Jar or Sedge Pic... must be really important in her life. *las*

    I agree on soldier!John. He's much more professional, grown up and alluring in this capacity, and I think seems a stronger character when he's in soldier mode.

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    [QUOTE=Southern Red;5946337]Yes, they do, but sadly I doubt we'll ever see Shep in uniform. The Air Force wouldn't allow it. They'd have to do some sort of generic uniform. Now, a tux is another story. But don't worry, he'll wear one at their wedding.

    Ha Ha. Amen, sister.

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    Happy birthday Luz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Red View Post
    Yes, they do, but sadly I doubt we'll ever see Shep in uniform. The Air Force wouldn't allow it. They'd have to do some sort of generic uniform. Now, a tux is another story. But don't worry, he'll wear one at their wedding.

    Happy birthday, Luz!!! Those objects keep getting closer together: the 3 things I love most by Lizzie Weir.
    Why would the air force not allow it? Sam and Jack wore them on several occasions. Unless those were generic as well in which case unless you are in the air force for real you would hardly notice or care. Looks good enough to me. JMO.

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    Oh my lord, I am so tired. Today has been a long day!

    Okay. I'm a chicken when it comes to the Shep thread, so I'll tell you all about getting to meet Joe today. Cut for those who dun wanna know.

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    OMG! Hee! Okay, first off, he doesn't talk a lot, but he seemed kind of shy to me. Friendly, though.

    Okay, now me being a lesbian, you can take this into account when I say the following and multiply by heterosexual female standards as you wish!... He has lovely eyes - a sort of luminous shade of green. He's pretty hot, better-looking than on TV, and his accent is a lot broader in person. Slightly beardy today - more than the Shep usually is.

    He looked very tired, and I asked him about how he managed to stay awake with all the transatlantic flights, and he said he didn't, he was worn out! and I congratulated him on his and Katherine's new baby and asked his name, he is called Fergus. I talked to him about some of you girls being kinda mad at me for getting to meet him after he cancelled L.A., and he apologised for that and said that he would be going to NY now and if y'all could make that he would try to make up for it. I showed him the portrait of Elizabeth that my best friend drew for my birthday, and he loved it. He said it was very pretty, and that it would be a shame to write on it, but he signed it anyway (I want to get Torri to sign it too, of course. at some point).


    I think that's all about Joe in specific. Fun!

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    Quote Originally Posted by A.L. View Post
    Why would the air force not allow it? Sam and Jack wore them on several occasions. Unless those were generic as well in which case unless you are in the air force for real you would hardly notice or care. Looks good enough to me. JMO.

    AL
    As far as I know, SG1 was airforce regulated (which is partly why Sam and Jack never seriously got together, and why AT had to cut her hair in S4). Now I don't now if they still are but I'm pretty certain that Atlantis isn't and never has been, so I see no reason why Shep couldn't wear dress blues. Even if they were endorsed by the military I don't see a reason why not. It would just be a case of them checking the uniform before they filmed. I think what they don't allow is certain ribbons.

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    Hey, everyone!

    Thought I'd jump into this thread again. (...at the top of the page, it says I last visited in May) As a short explanation, the summer was crazy, this school year is crazy, and I lost touch with almost all my internet frequents for quite a while. Then my best friend pulled me into her new obsession with the Inheritance trilogy (really great books, but anywaay).

    I suppose I don't have much to say at the moment, I need to bring back the wordy part of my shippy side. But I do remember alot of times in S3 that I enjoyed moments between John and Liz. I promise I'll be able to think a little better later, but for now I'm just making it known that I'm here. And I don't really expect anyone to remember me.
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    Hey just wanted to know if you guys were aware of what BamBam said on the BamBam thread :
    Spoiler:
    http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost....postcount=2224 maybe will get to see "action Torri" in The Return Prt 2.


    Anyway, with this hint, I'm going to speculate...

    xxx

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    Quote Originally Posted by A.L. View Post
    Why would the air force not allow it? Sam and Jack wore them on several occasions. Unless those were generic as well in which case unless you are in the air force for real you would hardly notice or care. Looks good enough to me. JMO.

    AL
    Quote Originally Posted by SallyLizzie View Post
    As far as I know, SG1 was airforce regulated (which is partly why Sam and Jack never seriously got together, and why AT had to cut her hair in S4). Now I don't now if they still are but I'm pretty certain that Atlantis isn't and never has been, so I see no reason why Shep couldn't wear dress blues. Even if they were endorsed by the military I don't see a reason why not. It would just be a case of them checking the uniform before they filmed. I think what they don't allow is certain ribbons.

    I can speak with some authority on this because my son went to an Air Force sponsored boarding school. The wearing of the uniform is a big deal and must be done absolutely to Air Force regulations. Every little detail is controlled to the last degree. His school had JRROTC which was run by retired Air Force personnel and they got out rulers sometimes to make sure the kids had everything lined up correctly. The dispersement of the uniforms was done by a very strict protocol. Because SGA does not have Air Force endorsement they cannot wear the official uniform. It's like impersonating a police officer. Frowned on and against the law. They could get uniforms that come close but might still get hassled by the USAF. It's best just to skip it. In fact the uniforms worn by the Marines on there don't look like anything I've ever seen. The picture of Ford from Intruder was good, so the USMC must not have minded. And yes, he now thanks us for sending him to military school. Trust me, it had to be done.

    Thanks Trialia for the con report. Love Fergus. Since Joe's mom is Scottish, it fits. He'll be a right strong young fellow, I'm sure.

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    So what were the dress blues in SG-1?
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    These:



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    Quote Originally Posted by NZBG View Post
    So what were the dress blues in SG-1?
    SG-1 has Air Force endorsement so they let them wear the uniform. I think I remember Rob or Brad saying that they didn't actively seek endorsement because they wanted to push the envelope a bit. Also John would have to cut his hair, stay clean shaven and generally be neater. In other words, be very unJohn. LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Red View Post
    SG-1 has Air Force endorsement so they let them wear the uniform. I think I remember Rob or Brad saying that they didn't actively seek endorsement because they wanted to push the envelope a bit. Also John would have to cut his hair, stay clean shaven and generally be neater. In other words, be very unJohn. LOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blower'sGate View Post
    Hey just wanted to know if you guys were aware of what BamBam said on the BamBam thread :
    Spoiler:
    http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost....postcount=2224 maybe will get to see "action Torri" in The Return Prt 2.


    Anyway, with this hint, I'm going to speculate...

    xxx
    Unless they're all mean and cut it for time or something. *crosses fingers that they don't!*

    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Red View Post
    I can speak with some authority on this because my son went to an Air Force sponsored boarding school. The wearing of the uniform is a big deal and must be done absolutely to Air Force regulations. Every little detail is controlled to the last degree. His school had JRROTC which was run by retired Air Force personnel and they got out rulers sometimes to make sure the kids had everything lined up correctly. The dispersement of the uniforms was done by a very strict protocol. Because SGA does not have Air Force endorsement they cannot wear the official uniform. It's like impersonating a police officer. Frowned on and against the law. They could get uniforms that come close but might still get hassled by the USAF. It's best just to skip it. In fact the uniforms worn by the Marines on there don't look like anything I've ever seen. The picture of Ford from Intruder was good, so the USMC must not have minded. And yes, he now thanks us for sending him to military school. Trust me, it had to be done.

    Thanks Trialia for the con report. Love Fergus. Since Joe's mom is Scottish, it fits. He'll be a right strong young fellow, I'm sure.
    What a shame. My sister just got out of the Navy and I was a big fan of JAG for a long time, so I understand about accuracy and all that. I remember hearing once that the cast of JAG had to somehow un-regulate their costumes/uniforms when the cameras weren't rolling and they were out on location so that real enlisted and officers didn't mistake them for the real thing. And I know the Air Force was a big supporter of SG-1 after awhile but I didn't know they haven't endorsed SGA. Pity.

    Thanks for the clarification.

    So. Tux it is, then!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trialia View Post
    Oh my lord, I am so tired. Today has been a long day!

    Okay. I'm a chicken when it comes to the Shep thread, so I'll tell you all about getting to meet Joe today. Cut for those who dun wanna know.
    I think that's all about Joe in specific. Fun!
    So, did you ask about anyone leaving Atlantis?


    Quote Originally Posted by La'rosh View Post
    Hey, everyone!
    I suppose I don't have much to say at the moment, I need to bring back the wordy part of my shippy side. But I do remember alot of times in S3 that I enjoyed moments between John and Liz. I promise I'll be able to think a little better later, but for now I'm just making it known that I'm here. And I don't really expect anyone to remember me.
    Welcome back to the thread, La'rosh. You're right, I don't remember you but that's only because I've been around for a couple of weeks only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blower'sGate View Post
    Hey just wanted to know if you guys were aware of what BamBam said on the BamBam thread :
    Spoiler:
    http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost....postcount=2224 maybe will get to see "action Torri" in The Return Prt 2.


    Anyway, with this hint, I'm going to speculate...

    xxx
    OMG Yes!!! Thank you for posting this wonderful news here.

    Anybody knows of some great new, not AU, Sparky fics? *bored*
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    Hi! *waves* I found this really great Shep/Weir video here. Scroll down to the bottom and it's called 'Evidence'. I absolutely loved it. There are other videos on this page and I haven't checked them out yet, but if this one is any indication, those will be amazing as well.

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    To Sallylizzie,

    Thanks....really? I thought it mighta been something the producers or someone on the show said. Seriously? Well it caught on, its the only term they use on FF, everyone knows it! Cool!

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