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    I liked this episode and thought AT did a great job. I called the double play but didn't catch the the triple play so I wasn't surprised she took out 5th but was surprised she made herself the new big bad.

    The one thing I thought was odd was Robot Carter coming back through the gate to release her arm. I thought the gate only went in one direction so you couldn't come back. Maybe that is only if you go all the way through. However, I just watched a episode of SGA where a ship got stuck in a gate and they made it a point to state they couldn't back the ship out.

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    Really nice ep. It is one of the few eps that completely beyond my anticipation. Even when the replicator Sam turned against the fifth, I still thought her intention was to destroy the whole replicators... Her ambition is a nice twist, never put Sam in a bad guy's shoes, even for the replicator Sam.

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    Recently re-watched the series and was surprised to see the criticism targeted toward Sam in this episode. I thought the episode was great and worked well with her character. Yes, Sam was fooled. A huge blunder. She's smarter than that, has been the entire series, However, it makes sense how she could be taken advantage of in this episode.

    Sam felt responsible for the current state of the Replicators. Betraying Fifth weighed heavily on her. Sam also was exposed to the human side Fifth - albeit a warped, damaged human side. He may have been sadistic and cruel, but he was also vulnerable and immature. The Replicators could possess humanity. We'd seen it. Sam also knew Fifth's feelings for her. An infatuation so deep he made a robot clone.

    When Sam was confronted with a Replicator version of herself, she'd have known the types of horrors Fifth would have committed upon her. Imo, Replicator Carter was by default, a sympathetic character in the eyes of Sam. And Replicator Carter herself, knew exactly how to play Sam. Season 8 Sam is also more confident and relaxed than she was at the start of the series. She feels more comfortable making decisions. That too played into Sam's mistake.

    With all of the above considered, I think Sam's trust was understandable, and I don't think this episode hurts her character in any way.

    Also, I don't fault Jack and Teal'c for not chastising Sam at the end. She's not dumb; she's not a babe in the woods. Sam knew exactly how egregious of an error she'd made. I'm sure it haunted her till the moment the Replicators were finally vanquished. Jack and Teal'c knew Sam well and knew they didn't need to pile on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron Of Hell View Post
    I liked this episode and thought AT did a great job. I called the double play but didn't catch the the triple play so I wasn't surprised she took out 5th but was surprised she made herself the new big bad.

    The one thing I thought was odd was Robot Carter coming back through the gate to release her arm. I thought the gate only went in one direction so you couldn't come back. Maybe that is only if you go all the way through. However, I just watched a episode of SGA where a ship got stuck in a gate and they made it a point to state they couldn't back the ship out.
    I know I'm replying to an old post, but I was also surprised by the evil Replicarter twist. Nice.

    With regard to getting out of the wormhole, she wasn't all the way through, so I guess she was able to pull herself back out with her arm somehow. (I mean, that seems a bit dubious, but eh. It just didn't look like Teal'c was pulling at that particular moment.) In the SGA episode they pull Ford back out by his arm. If Replicarter were all the way through, they wouldn't have been able to grab ahold of anything, as her entire body would have been demolecularized.

    ...Right? Maybe? I read somewhere here about a buffer system for the gate and safety measures that would ensure that matter was all the way through the event horizon before breaking down. If someone's arm were still showing, does that mean you'd be able to grab the rest of them that had already passed through?
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    Yes, strange. The whole ep was strange for me, not bad but not fantastic either. AT was great but the plot didn't grasp me if you know what I mean. Maybe it's due to the fact that I really do not like the replicators in which form whatever.
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    what a complete garbage of an episode. ugh... trying to wash the bad taste out of my mouth. It might even be worse than threshold from voyager.

    It's so truly, mind bogglingly badly written. It didn't occur to them that she might be treacherous? that bringing her into any site, much less alpha site, would be a bad idea? actually showing her how the asgard weapon works? are you kidding me? all of that, without a shred of evidence or proof? Are these {Snipped by Moderator} supposed to be in charge of earth's safety? I need a drink. ugh.
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    The charm of 'Replicarter'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anja View Post
    The charm of 'Replicarter'.
    Good one.

    I liked this episode. I thought it was going to be predictable and that The Replicarter would turn on Fifth/sacrifice herself for humanity, etc.

    Really didn't see her true intentions coming.

    Something that confused me with the Asgards - were they in a ship in orbit to deliver the satellite? Or was it gated from their own world?

    Why didn't they send more weapons? And why didn't they send shops help?

    They abandoned everything to fight the replicators last time - so why couldn't they be bothered this time?

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    I believe this is our first hint that the Asgard have been so damaged by the replicators and by their means of reproduction that they no longer have the capability to help "on the ground" as it were.

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    This episode to me made Carter look out of character. I could not believe she trusted her so fully! At that point they know replicators are extremely dangerous. Even the Asgard are incapable of neutralizing them. SGC finally gets their hand on the only weapon that can destroy them and they show the designs to another replicator!

    Bottom line, given Carter's past experience and how intelligent she is, I can't believe she would fall for this.

    I still enjoyed the episode!

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    Even intelligent, experienced people see what they want to see from time to time.

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    I think the whole episode goes back to when they first encountered the human form replicators. Jack tried to get both Jonas and Sam to understand that though they may look human, and in the case of Fifth they may and even mimic human emotions. they were not human. Sam never really accepted that. Replicarter understood Fifth's mistake in using potato head to stay with him. She also understood the way to emotionally compromise Sam was in using Jack. Which also was the reason for her comment of " you deny your own hearts desire" Even with this statement Sam refused to acknowledge the truth of replicarter's statement, and struggled with the human vs machine concept. especially with it being made in her image. I don't think Sam fully understood until SGA when they destroyed the replicator home world.

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    Somehow I expected more from Sam but your point is valid.

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    Good analysis! That seems clearer now. I would have liked to see them to at least develop a contingency plan. Perhaps there were too many unknowns and Sam had to select a course of action.

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