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    Quote Originally Posted by astronomicalchick
    they killed Peter...

    *cries*
    I was sad to see him go. I expected him to take out another hive ship by sacraficing himself but I guess he never got the chance. He is the most prominent UK character on stargate, right? I wonder how the UK fans feel about this.

    I was definitely relieved that Dr. Zelenka didn't go on that mission.
    I just love shows about wormholes!

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    Default Re: The Siege, Part 1 (119)

    I guess I can't keep all my thoughts in one post but had to spread it out (at least I am building on the number of posts). Here are some scattered thoughts.

    I am left with an empty feeling after this episode and I will probably not watch it again until next week.

    I was surprised by how Teyla went after Bates, perhaps the effect of being possessed by a Wraith hasn't wear off yet? I know they want to shield the presence of a Wraith at that point of the show but I hope that this is not just a out of character moment without futre explanation.

    Did Sheppard called the Wraith "Brian" once mixed in with "Bob" twice? Sheppard let his emotion to get a hold of him...again.

    Just one more episode for season 1, I wonder who will survive until season 2.

    Finally, a thought that concerns more about the episode Sanctuary than this episode. Can the Atlantis team just let the Wraith chase them to the planet in Sancturay and them Athar in the effort to protect the people on that planet will have to destroy the Wraiths. This would be way to convenient and something tells me Athar may be a forgotten character.
    I just love shows about wormholes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by astronomicalchick
    they killed Peter...

    *cries*
    *grabbing Stoning Kit*

    Come on. . .let's go find the writers!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quinn Mallory
    I was sad to see him go. I expected him to take out another hive ship by sacraficing himself but I guess he never got the chance. He is the most prominent UK character on stargate, right? I wonder how the UK fans feel about this.

    I was definitely relieved that Dr. Zelenka didn't go on that mission.
    Beckett is a UK character, as well as Scottish (Scots are both Scottish and from the UK), he was English and from the UK. I liked him...


    But not as much as Zelenka... phew!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoolishPleasure
    *grabbing Stoning Kit*

    Come on. . .let's go find the writers!!!
    I'll bring the penguins...


    Grodin... *cries again*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calicto
    However, as we saw in Brotherhood, one carefully planted shot by a Wraith Dart could easily destroy a puddle jumper
    That Dart was modified, they said that very explicitly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Calicto
    Now, Atlantis probably had 20 MAX Puddle Jumpers when it was fully operational. There doesnt seem like enough space nor function to have more.
    We've seen a fraction of Atlantis. You simply can't make that kind of assumption. Despite the obvious fact that they would be kept near the Gate, the mere fact that we saw one cruising around Antarctica means they used them for other things as well.

    Outside of those two problems, it was a really good post

    You seem to enjoy crunching numbers, so here are some images for your counting pleasure (I assume the big dots are Hives, while the little ones are Darts):





    Quote Originally Posted by V-MAN
    What I don't understand is, the system atlantis is in. is kinda big as are most star systems. In this episode they say that the ancient satalite is the last of a network that would have protected the whole star system.

    Anyone care to take a guess on the odds that the Wraith fleet would enter the star system right next to that one remaining Ancient satalite let alone within range of it's particle beam?
    Zelenka said it's the last of several dozen. Dictionary.com's primary definition of several is "Being of a number more than two or three but not many". I'm thinking at least four, at the very most ten dozen satellites once defended the area. The mere fact that only one remains indicates that they were all put to good use.

    I rewatched the part with Zelenka's quote, I didn't hear anything about defending the entire star system. If you could give me an approximate time, I'd appreciate it

    Now, onto My Opinion of the Episode

    Overall: Great.

    Character development: Zelenka's development and screen-time is clearly being put in place to offset the death of you-know-who. I like this, since I'm a Zelenka fan and I didn't much like you-know-who. We also saw the excellent scenes with Teyla and Bates, and learned about how Teyla and her people get offended by accusations of working for the Wraith. Excellent, largely overlooked scene with Halling speaking to Weir about destroying Atlantis. Really said alot about the differences between Athosians and Earthlings' respective points of view. Shep had a good, although rather short scene with Bob. Ford was a little annoying with this one, following Shep around the whole time.

    Action: Nice seeing the Hive ship destroyed, that was pretty much it. I wouldn't have minded seeing the T-Rex, but oh well

    Definetly can't wait for next week.

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    One of my favorite moments for me is when Sheppard walks into the brig area and looks at the Wraith prisoner. At that moment, I said "Hello, Bob." Then a moment later, Sheppard names him Bob. Hehehe. That was fun.

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    Hm, overall fantastic episode - can't wait for Part 2
    I liked who they gave Teyla a purpose - though I don't especially like the purpose, seems very Vulcan to me - never mind...

    Quote Originally Posted by V-MAN
    Maybe there's a reasonable explanation such as the satalite was located in one of the few if only safe places to exit hyperspace in a star system due to navigational hazards such as planetary bodies etc. Even then that's assuming a lot but it makes sense to me.
    I think this is probably the best explanation already - and as the ancients would be the very first to know where you best leave hyperspace, it comes as no surprise that they put their satellite (at least one) right there


    Now Grodin...I feel rather sorry that he died (did he, anyway? ) but still better than Bates (hope he doesn't die in part 2 )...
    Still, they should have killed off the other pilot - he got a lot to say so I assumed he would have been an easy-kill
    By the way, I really wonder where they found that pilot anyway ^^
    I can't imagine him aboard Stackhouse's ship - he seems to be a much better pilot than Beckett - so it would probably have been him flying instead of Beckett....

    And then about shipping...
    I saw Teyla/Sheppard getting stronger again after "Letters from Pegasus" - I just wanna see that one
    Zelenka seemed to be able to speak to Weir without too much trouble though

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    Default Re: The Siege, Part 1 (119)

    Hey, who wants to get some Teyla/Bates shipping going.

    "You're a security threat!"
    "You're insulting my people!"

    They stare, then kiss passionately. Music swells.

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    Most likely with Grodin we will find that the wraith captured him, and who knows maybe thats a reason they stopped advancement. He is going to know everything about the defenses that atlantis has and they will need time to get the info out of him. But of course this is speculation. So in the spirit of speculation, lets say that orbital defense platform, since designed to have people in it, had a transporter built into to it and would either beam people to the surface of the planet or back to atlantis in the event that its destruction was emiment. I doubt he is dead, but I am banking on the wraith having him, and Teyla finding out about it. That way they with the help of earth, defend themselves from the wraith and rescue Grodin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quetzcoatl
    Ford was a little annoying with this one, following Shep around the whole time.
    Yeah but he seems to have grown himself something of a backbone because he actually disagreed with Sheppard at times. Looked a mite uncomfortable about it but he had an opinion that wasn't Sheppard's, which was nice for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMForeman
    Hey, who wants to get some Teyla/Bates shipping going.

    "You're a security threat!"
    "You're insulting my people!"

    They stare, then kiss passionately. Music swells.

    -IMF
    Heh, I thought that, too.

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    Wow what a great season Atlantis has going. This episode was where most things went down the toilet. That is exactly was should happen during a season finale!!!

    I really am disappointed that Grodin died he was a cool character...
    but as Q told Picard in ST: TNG "If you are afraid to get a little bloody nose then you should go back to your world and stay there". (Something to that effect anyway)

    I hate waiting for next week for the second part it!!! I always wondered in brotherhood why some wraith wouldn't sneak into atlantis... It only made sense...

    I think the Hive ships now know that Atlantis has no shield and is defenseless I reallly wonder how they are gonna pull off a resolution next week.

    I also really loved them tying in different technologies and not just relying on Atlantis' weapons and shields. It makes for great variety in a show.

    It might of had some sad moments but this episode just shows what level Atlantis is operating at and it is only first season!!!
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    My house is freezing an I've been curled up on the floor watching this episode. W. O. W. Is this another one by Martin Gero, by the way? I've liked all of his so far. Except Childhoods End.

    Anyway I was crying a but when Grodin 'died'because I'd got rather attached to him. First the Brotherhood Puddlejumper mishap and now this. And Bates! My favourite minor character list is down to two from five. Bates had better not die... I am holding out hope though about Grodin though because of that Craig Veroni interview. Anyway, this is sci fi! No one stays dead for long. Look at Apophis!

    Oh and as for what the UK fans think if he *is* dead, I can definitely say as a UK fan: *sniff* also *sulk*.

    The funny thing is that as soonas they saw them, my family were sure they would either kill off Grodin or the pilot guy whose name escapes me. Why? The were wearing... red shirts, well, overall type things. Heh.
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    Noooooo! Grodin!!! I liked him! Why couldn't the pilot dude have died? Rodney could have flown the Jumper back to Atlantis!

    Peter!!

    What a great episode! Had me on the edge of my seat the whole time! Mostly because I was terrified of what would happen to Grodin. OTH I'm glad Bates is ok, I like the dude.

    I can't wait for the second part!
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    [QUOTE=Quetzcoatl]
    Zelenka said it's the last of several dozen. Dictionary.com's primary definition of several is "Being of a number more than two or three but not many". I'm thinking at least four, at the very most ten dozen satellites once defended the area. The mere fact that only one remains indicates that they were all put to good use.

    I rewatched the part with Zelenka's quote, I didn't hear anything about defending the entire star system. If you could give me an approximate time, I'd appreciate it QUOTE]

    The fact that only 1 satalite remains proves nothing other than that the others were destroyed....

    Okay I missheard what he said but there's no need to be an asshat and start quoting dictionary definitions of a simple word like "several" that's just plain rude.

    I was correct in that it's the last one and the original point I was making that seems to have flown straight over your head still stands.

    What are the odds that the wraith fleet would decide to enter the star system within range of the satalites particle beam? Even if the wraith fleet was approching the system from same direction the odds have got to be staggering.

    They really should have explained why the wraith fleet would pass so close to the satalite it can't be a coincidence.
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    I have a theory that the whole Time Ship thing with Moebius part 1 and 2 from SG-1 will play a part with Grodin.

    I have a feeling, because it doesn't really see like Grodin is dead if you heard about the interview with the guy who plays him. He was talking about his character in season 2!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quetzcoatl
    That Dart was modified, they said that very explicitly.
    For long ranged flight and recon. I doubt they would've upped its weapons.

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    It's a shame Grodin was killed but I hope he gets replaced with an English character that isn't a posh sterotype like he was, someone more down to earth that doesn't talk liike the Americans think we do or should, how bout Simon Pegg as the new English rep?

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    Hmm. I've seen worse portrayals of British. Apart from the accent which actually grew on me I couldn't find much fault with Grodin. *shrug* Maybe I know too many posh people.
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