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    Ta thanks Pandora. Paget Brewster I mean.

    Hey for her tough chick part didn't she get beaten up once on the show?

    or maybe another of the female cast I seem to recall getting a bloodied face from being beaten.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coco Pops View Post
    Ta thanks Pandora. Paget Brewster I mean.

    Hey for her tough chick part didn't she get beaten up once on the show?

    or maybe another of the female cast I seem to recall getting a bloodied face from being beaten.
    That was in the episode Minimal Loss.

    And Garcia did get shot once.

    And JJ was attacked by dogs.

    So they're all tough.

    I love a show that's not afraid to make its women both tough and compassionate. Awesomeness!

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    I know she's a popular character, but I personally can't stand Abby while I love Garcia. I think they're very different.

    I like Abby but feel they overdo her.... On ther other hand why I thought that they might have borrowed some Abbiness is her geekiness seems a bit overdone sometimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pandora's_Box View Post
    That was in the episode Minimal Loss.

    And Garcia did get shot once.

    And JJ was attacked by dogs.

    So they're all tough.

    I love a show that's not afraid to make its women both tough and compassionate. Awesomeness!

    I don't remember Minimal Loss, was a previous season to the one we are gettign now with George from Seinfeld hehe.....

    I felt terribly sorry for Garcia when she was shot, that guy knew just the right buttons to push to get close to her.

    And I dont' remember JJ being attacked by dogs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coco Pops View Post
    I don't remember Minimal Loss, was a previous season to the one we are gettign now with George from Seinfeld hehe.....
    Third episode of Season 4 (current season).

    Spoilers for it here...
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    Prentiss and Reid are undercover as social workers at a religious commune after getting an anonymous phone call claiming that young girls are being molested. They have the unfortunate luck of being there when another branch of the government attempts a raid, fails, and the leader holds everyone inside hostage. He figures out that one of them is an FBI agent, Prentiss confesses it's her (to save Reid) and gets beat up for it.


    I felt terribly sorry for Garcia when she was shot, that guy knew just the right buttons to push to get close to her.
    I know, but I'm glad we didn't have to suffer through an emotionally-scarred-for-life storyline.

    And I dont' remember JJ being attacked by dogs.
    Ummm.....

    Second season episode where Reid is kidnapped by the unsub played by James van der Beek. JJ was checking out a barn on the premises and ran into a couple dogs that the unsub had used to "dispose" of another victim. She shot them both, but I think was injured also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pandora's_Box View Post
    Third episode of Season 4 (current season).

    Spoilers for it here...
    Spoiler:
    Prentiss and Reid are undercover as social workers at a religious commune after getting an anonymous phone call claiming that young girls are being molested. They have the unfortunate luck of being there when another branch of the government attempts a raid, fails, and the leader holds everyone inside hostage. He figures out that one of them is an FBI agent, Prentiss confesses it's her (to save Reid) and gets beat up for it.




    Ah now I remember that was the WACO type episode from near the end of last year... Oh yeah she was pretty tough taking that beating, and not blowing her cover.

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    garcia is fun, although like abby, she can be overused upon occasion.

    i'm all for seeing people being allowed to be quirky, but sometimes the writers/directors take things a bit too far.

    although, with the last eps we saw - that was a re-run - where they're chasing down a seemingly random shooter in the subways of new york, garcia opens her purse and drags out a handful of little stufies, etc.

    she explains it as 'this is how i deal with seeing what i see, i distance myself from the horrors by surrounding myself with 'fun' and make the space 'mine' ' (very paraphrased and interpreted)

    but it explains some of garcia. she's colorfully quirky and odd to distance herself from the endless stream of horror and violence that's part of her job

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skydiver View Post
    garcia is fun, although like abby, she can be overused upon occasion.

    i'm all for seeing people being allowed to be quirky, but sometimes the writers/directors take things a bit too far.

    although, with the last eps we saw - that was a re-run - where they're chasing down a seemingly random shooter in the subways of new york, garcia opens her purse and drags out a handful of little stufies, etc.

    she explains it as 'this is how i deal with seeing what i see, i distance myself from the horrors by surrounding myself with 'fun' and make the space 'mine' ' (very paraphrased and interpreted)

    but it explains some of garcia. she's colorfully quirky and odd to distance herself from the endless stream of horror and violence that's part of her job
    And I suspect doing that is a really good thing. It keeps her balanced. And it'd be the kind of thing I would also do, except instead of stuffed toys I'd have autobots scattered abuot.

    OMG we had the episode with Jason Alexander today....... That was crrepy... "shudders"

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    they are very creepy

    which is kinda what makes it intriguing. i know my mom doesn't watch it because she finds it too violent, but i find it less violent than csi but often far creepier.

    I do think they need to dig into the others a bit more. Let hotch have a turn, it's about time for...oh the black guy (just blanked on his name) to have a bit. spencer needs to be dialed back a bit and lose some of the focus on him.


    they haven't overly misbalanced by and large, but i know last season after they had about half a dozen episodes that focused on spencer, i was like 'enough already'.

    At least they haven't done an 'er'....focused so much on the characters' lives that the show is more of a soap than it is what it started out to be, which was stories of the patients. (i'm glad er is ending, becuse it needs to, they've just about worn it out and i think the only thing that's getting it some leeway right now is because people know it's ending, so they tolerate the self-indulgence)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skydiver View Post
    they are very creepy

    which is kinda what makes it intriguing. i know my mom doesn't watch it because she finds it too violent, but i find it less violent than csi but often far creepier.

    I do think they need to dig into the others a bit more. Let hotch have a turn, it's about time for...oh the black guy (just blanked on his name) to have a bit. spencer needs to be dialed back a bit and lose some of the focus on him.


    they haven't overly misbalanced by and large, but i know last season after they had about half a dozen episodes that focused on spencer, i was like 'enough already'.

    At least they haven't done an 'er'....focused so much on the characters' lives that the show is more of a soap than it is what it started out to be, which was stories of the patients. (i'm glad er is ending, becuse it needs to, they've just about worn it out and i think the only thing that's getting it some leeway right now is because people know it's ending, so they tolerate the self-indulgence)
    Oh for sure........ ER has had everything bar an alien invasion
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skydiver View Post
    she explains it as 'this is how i deal with seeing what i see, i distance myself from the horrors by surrounding myself with 'fun' and make the space 'mine' ' (very paraphrased and interpreted)

    but it explains some of garcia. she's colorfully quirky and odd to distance herself from the endless stream of horror and violence that's part of her job
    I see many parallels between JJ and Gracia in that they are both perhaps the least qualified (as in have the least academic qualifications for this line of work ie. profiling) and yet they're the one who seem to see the most of it.

    JJ because she fields dozens more cases than the team actually sees, and Garcia because I remember more than one occasion when she was forced to rewatch tapes of murders over and over and over again in order to find whatever it was the team was looking for.

    So I don't begrudge Garcia her quirkiness for that reason alone. She's a computer and tech specialist. She didn't go to school for this. She wasn't trained to deal with it like the rest of them, so she finds her own way to cope.

    JJ the same but to a lesser extent. She's an FBI agent so she's had some necessary training, but she's not a profiler.

    Quote Originally Posted by Skydiver View Post
    I do think they need to dig into the others a bit more. Let hotch have a turn, it's about time for...oh the black guy (just blanked on his name) to have a bit. spencer needs to be dialed back a bit and lose some of the focus on him.
    Derek Morgan is the name you're looking for. And he's had a few episodes himself. I'm still waiting on some Hotch episodes and some Prentiss episodes.

    they haven't overly misbalanced by and large, but i know last season after they had about half a dozen episodes that focused on spencer, i was like 'enough already'.
    Definitely. I get that's he's the show's "darling", but I feel like we know him now and everyone else needs some focus too. I mean we've met his mother and his father, he's been addicted to drugs, been forced to kill a suspect, he's investigate his father as a possible child molester and murderer...enough already with Reid.

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    prentiss, thank you. once i read it, i know it

    as to her, did they ever totally settle the 'she's a spy' angle that they had for a bit? that she was put on the team to monitor and 'rat' them out?

    something like that would be interesting, or if she's the one suggesting that someone else keep an eye on a group. and hotch, yeah, how's he handling the job costing him his marriage? if his marriage is totally over, find him someone please.

    I do like how, usually, the character's lives are the B story, but sometimes i'd like to get a bit more now and then....just not the ER 'abby and luka' soap for 3 of the 20

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skydiver View Post
    as to her, did they ever totally settle the 'she's a spy' angle that they had for a bit? that she was put on the team to monitor and 'rat' them out?
    She was never in on it. Some higher ups put her there expecting that when they asked her to divulge information she would do it because she felt she owed them for putting her on the team. When they time came and they wanted dirt on the BAU, she resigned instead of ratting them out.

    This was at the beginning of season 3 when Hotch asked to be reassigned because his wife wanted him more often. Morgan and the others asked for his help on a case and he brought Prentiss back to go with him to help the team. When they arrived back in DC with the case solved, he was reinstated as unit chief of the BAU (after the FBI higher ups told him that he'd never advance as a result), Prentiss got her job back, and Hayley left him for taking the job back.

    something like that would be interesting, or if she's the one suggesting that someone else keep an eye on a group. and hotch, yeah, how's he handling the job costing him his marriage? if his marriage is totally over, find him someone please.
    His marriage is done. His wife served him with divorce papers in mid season 3 I think.

    I'm also a shameless Prentiss/Hotch shipper so I think you can guess who I want TPTB to "find" for him.

    I do like how, usually, the character's lives are the B story, but sometimes i'd like to get a bit more now and then....just not the ER 'abby and luka' soap for 3 of the 20
    I definitely like the subtle development aspect of this show more than I like the blatant takeover of ER or other shows. TPTB do a really good job of showing how the cases might affect the team without making it melodramatic or taking too much attention away from the case itself.

    A good example is a case in Season 3 with two unsub killing families. A teenage girl survives one of those cases and Prentiss gets closer to the girl as she helps them catch the unsubs, to the point where she tells Hotch that she'd be interested in adopting the girl if she doesn't have family to take her in.

    It's a quietly done part of the episode - showing how Prentiss and JJ are both affected by this young girl and how Prentiss is thinking of maybe having a family one day. It's also a testament to the actors as well that they don't overdo it for the sake of demonstrating their own skills.
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    I am just going to ramble here since I haven't had a chance to see every single episode. In fact I have yet to see the one where Mandy leaves the show and would love it if CBS.com would stream this show like it does others

    I have to say that I can't really find fault with any of the characters overall. I really enjoy the banter between Garcia and Derek, so much so that I really look forward to it when ever he picks up the phone to call into to her I enjoy Prentiss and Hotch...not sure if I would go so far as to say I would ever *ship* hem or anyone on this show for that matter....

    I really like Reid and totally enjoy when he is part of the team solving things, I can't say I was too enthralled by the drug storyline so I am glad they moved passed that fairly fast.

    I was really happy they went with the JJ story with the police guy it was sweet letting her have a life

    I like the guy who replaced Mandy and I like all the byplay with all the characters.

    I think the writers do a fantastic job making this show psychologically twisting and making the viewer think most of the time. There have been times when it gets a bit convoluted to me and I think they jump to the end of the show or the suspect to easily but its TV *shrug*

    I like the whole premises of the show is cool though as I like figuring out the reasons behind why people do what they do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TameFarrar View Post
    I am just going to ramble here since I haven't had a chance to see every single episode. In fact I have yet to see the one where Mandy leaves the show and would love it if CBS.com would stream this show like it does others
    It doesn't? That's weird. I'm in Canada so I wouldn't see it anyway, but it's one of their highest performing shows. It would make sense for them to stream it. Oddness.

    I have to say that I can't really find fault with any of the characters overall. I really enjoy the banter between Garcia and Derek, so much so that I really look forward to it when ever he picks up the phone to call into to her
    Yep. I just love hearing what she's going to say next.

    I enjoy Prentiss and Hotch...not sure if I would go so far as to say I would ever *ship* hem or anyone on this show for that matter....
    I'm shameless Tame. You know that.

    I was really happy they went with the JJ story with the police guy it was sweet letting her have a life
    Someone needs a happy ending if only to prove that it's actually possible. That said, I may hurt someone if they do anything to break up her family.

    I like the whole premises of the show is cool though as I like figuring out the reasons behind why people do what they do.
    That's the part I really find fascinating too; the thought processes behind peoples' behaviours. You think that you're just performing a random action or doing something for no reason, but in actuality there's always a "cause and effect" between what you've experienced or seen and what you do or say in the future.

    Kind of makes you take a step back and rethink yourself. Creepy indeed.

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    Speaking of interesting episodes (I think we were at one point) there was an episode in the back half of season 3 featuring a serial killer who'd just woken up from a coma unable to remember anything about himself or what he'd done. The dilemma for the BAU was whether or not to make him remember so that he'd be fit to stand trial for his crimes and whether not remembering made him "safer" or "fixed" him.

    In essence, was he still a serial killer if he remembered none of the events that shaped his life?

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    That was an interesting one and a rather interesting question.

    Because how could folks deal with it if he was not tried and then did remember on his own and instead of being repulsed was intrigued and began again. Could they take that chance?
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    That was an interesting one and a rather interesting question.

    Because how could folks deal with it if he was not tried and then did remember on his own and instead of being repulsed was intrigued and began again. Could they take that chance?
    Here's my take...

    He needed to be tried regardless of whether or not he remembered what he'd done because he had in fact committed those acts. There was evidence of this. Not remembering what he'd done doesn't negate the fact that he had done it. At least not in my mind.

    Now what kind of sentencing they'd give him is another matter entirely, I think. The main problem being the one you pointed out. Will he remember? And if he does, will he want to do it again?

    It's an almost impossible moral dilemma to examine and resolve because there are so many things to take into account. What defines a person? What makes a person? Are we the sum of our experiences or are we born a certain way and "create" our experiences?

    If there are cases of people having experienced psychotic breaks, unable to remember their actions, and being institutionalised for it, what makes his situation very different from those? Should he be institutionalised in that case?

    In any case, do I think he should ever be released? Sigh..... No. I don't think he should be. Not after what he'd done. There are just too many unanswerable questions.

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    I think it is episodes such as that that cause you to really think about what your core belief system is and how does it hold up in the face of this....or that.... that make for some really good dramtic TV.

    I can't say I would want every week to be this intense however. Nor will I ever see myself debating things that are my core beliefs in a place such as this, a Forum Message board. But I like that something as inane as TV can and should have the ability to make us stop and THINK for a moment and really face ourselves. I like that it can spur discussion within the home and make families discuss things, husbands and wives discuss and debate how this affects their thinking and serves as a means for folks to really delve into some conversation that will add depth into their relationships
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    I love Criminal Minds, Hotch especially. My favorite ship is Hotch/Prentiss, but I do have a serious soft spot for Rossi/Reid. I'm terribly glad that in interviews/chats Andrew Wilder and Ed Bernero have said that there will never be canon shipping between the team just because it precludes the wankage/fanwar that happened with McKeller in SGA and Grissom/Sara in CSI. I do not want my ship to be the reason people are crying "jumped the shark," thank you, I'm perfectly happy with subtext.

    After Hotch my second-favorite is Garcia. Garcia is awesome: she really brings the "everyman" element to the show, like Broots did in The Pretender, while still being highly competent.

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