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    Default How did...? (spoilers for The Seed, regarding Keller)

    Ok so it was established fairly early on that this thing was growing out of her body right. So all these tentacles and what not are actually connected to her and sprouting through her skin and tissue and not just draped over her the way the FX were.

    So when they inject the creature with the retrovirus the tentacles all die and the pathogen in her system is removed but what about the damage already done to her body?

    Even if we go ahead and assume that the tentacles that are inside her and growing out through her skin just dissolve shouldn't that then leave her with skin that looks more like Freddy Kruger's than what we saw in the episode. There would be holes and scars and gashes everywhere a tentacle had displaced or replaced her normal human tissue. Either that or they don't dissolve and we end up with them having to just shave them down as much as possible to avoid ripping dozens of holes in her skin and now we've got Dr. Treestump.

    In either case, short of some sort of elaborate nano tech removal and regeneration efforts or some as of yet undisclosed ability to regenerate skin like a Wraith she should not have come out of this in anything approaching pristine condition, even if she did live.

    So did I miss something or is this just a typical no lasting consequences reset button.

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    Default Re: How did they get an intact Keller out of the corpse?

    I noticed the same thing and can't think of any logical explanation. Nothing mentioned on the show would have been able to heal her like that with the exception of perhaps a sarcophagus, or nanites, neither of which they have access to.

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    Default Re: How did they get an intact Keller out of the corpse?

    A wizard did it?
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    Default Re: How did they get an intact Keller out of the corpse?

    Yes, I wonder why she has no scars! Also, shouldn't she be in some sort of psychological trauma from all of this?

    As I indicated in a short blurb on the long discussion of this episode, the action in the storylines are stomping all over any chance of realistic fiction/drama.

    "The Seed" was not one of the franchise's better efforts.

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    Default Re: How did they get an intact Keller out of the corpse?

    looks like they just grew out of her belly

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    Default Re: How did they get an intact Keller out of the corpse?

    Quote Originally Posted by thekillman View Post
    looks like they just grew out of her belly
    I think they started growing out of her hand (which was lying on her stomach when they first discovered the growths), which was were the infection had previously started with the gooey stage.

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    Default Re: How did they get an intact Keller out of the corpse?

    What? More illogical stuff in "The Seed" we'll have to either fanwank our way to a solution or just go "Suspension of disbelief!" over? Who would've expected that?

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    Default Re: How did they get an intact Keller out of the corpse?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ouroboros View Post
    Ok so it was established fairly early on that this thing was growing out of her body right. So all these tentacles and what not are actually connected to her and sprouting through her skin and tissue and not just draped over her the way the FX were.

    So when they inject the creature with the retrovirus the tentacles all die and the pathogen in her system is removed but what about the damage already done to her body?

    Even if we go ahead and assume that the tentacles that are inside her and growing out through her skin just dissolve shouldn't that then leave her with skin that looks more like Freddy Kruger's than what we saw in the episode. There would be holes and scars and gashes everywhere a tentacle had displaced or replaced her normal human tissue. Either that or they don't dissolve and we end up with them having to just shave them down as much as possible to avoid ripping dozens of holes in her skin and now we've got Dr. Treestump.

    In either case, short of some sort of elaborate nano tech removal and regeneration efforts or some as of yet undisclosed ability to regenerate skin like a Wraith she should not have come out of this in anything approaching pristine condition, even if she did live.

    So did I miss something or is this just a typical no lasting consequences reset button.
    The retrovirus healed her as well as getting rid of the growth.
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    Default Re: How did they get an intact Keller out of the corpse?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mitchell82 View Post
    The retrovirus healed her as well as getting rid of the growth.
    That's some mighty retrovirus. Did Carson just invent some kind of ultra-cure that will heal even big gaping wounds in a jiffy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FallenAngelII View Post
    That's some mighty retrovirus. Did Carson just invent some kind of ultra-cure that will heal even big gaping wounds in a jiffy?
    The vaccine only killed the pathogen...

    It does NOT destroy the already grown stuff. The vaccine severed the connection.....and prevented more growth, took away the intelligence and turned it to something like a Tree bark. Thats all. Thats what Carson said. They probably needed chainsaws to get her outa there....

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    Default Re: How did they get an intact Keller out of the corpse?

    Quote Originally Posted by SG-Lover-SL View Post
    The vaccine only killed the pathogen...

    It does NOT destroy the already grown stuff. The vaccine severed the connection.....and prevented more growth, took away the intelligence and turned it to something like a Tree bark. Thats all. Thats what Carson said. They probably needed chainsaws to get her outa there....
    I was being sarcastic after Mitchell82 claimed the following:
    "The retrovirus healed her as well as getting rid of the growth."

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    Default Re: How did they get an intact Keller out of the corpse?

    Ancient dermal regenerator.

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    Default Re: How did...? (spoilers for The Seed, regarding Keller)

    That is the same thing when Sheppard got infected with the retrovirus, his body mass increased also I believe, so he should have some additional stuff on his body but he didn't. Also when the retrovirus was used on the Hive (No man's land & Misbegotten) we saw reversed Wraith, some of which I believe used to be warriors, but none of the guys seen in Misbegotten quite matched the posture of the warriors.

    Spoiler:
    Unless of course the retorvirus can remove body mass, if so NO MORE LIPOSUCTION

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    Default Re: How did...? (spoilers for The Seed, regarding Keller)

    Quote Originally Posted by EternalAlteran View Post
    That is the same thing when Sheppard got infected with the retrovirus, his body mass increased also I believe, so he should have some additional stuff on his body but he didn't. Also when the retrovirus was used on the Hive (No man's land & Misbegotten) we saw reversed Wraith, some of which I believe used to be warriors, but none of the guys seen in Misbegotten quite matched the posture of the warriors.

    Spoiler:
    Unless of course the retorvirus can remove body mass, if so NO MORE LIPOSUCTION
    Different retroviri.

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    Default Re: How did...? (spoilers for The Seed, regarding Keller)

    I wish we'd seen Keller suffering some after effects at the end of the episode, it was a bit Voyager-ish how she was on the verge of turning in to a Hive Ship but was absolutely fine at the end of the episode with no scars, no mental trauma, nothing.

    I don't like the episodes where the crew are transformed/mutilated in some way by a virus but are all 100% cured by the end. The after effects don't even have to last in to the next episode, just beyond the end of the current one.

    Surely it wouldn't have cost that much to stick some fake wounds or tentacle stumps on her for that short last scene.

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    Default Re: How did...? (spoilers for The Seed, regarding Keller)

    Good ol' Stumpy Keller?



    I would've been OK with a few bandages or wounds - something that wouldn't leave scars that would have to be applied on the actress every week.

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    Default Re: How did they get an intact Keller out of the corpse?

    Quote Originally Posted by senilegreen View Post
    Yes, I wonder why she has no scars! Also, shouldn't she be in some sort of psychological trauma from all of this?

    As I indicated in a short blurb on the long discussion of this episode, the action in the storylines are stomping all over any chance of realistic fiction/drama.

    "The Seed" was not one of the franchise's better efforts.
    ITA. We're talking about the freak-out queen from Missing. Realistically, I think she'd be in a straight jacket (and this is one case where I could hardly blame her). Instead we get a happy little smile as if she just got over a case of the flu.

    Of course, this is from the same writers who thawed out Beckett and put him right to work even though he has two years worth of trauma to deal with (prisoner, forced to assist mad scientist commit attrocities, and finds out he's a clone). No signs of psychological damage there either.

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    Default Re: How did...? (spoilers for The Seed, regarding Keller)

    Bad writing? Who'd expect that.

    No, seriously, I totally agree about the "Oh, people don't get traumatized on Atlantis"-part. Jennifer woke up without being able to move, told there's a creature growing out her body, then they just randomly leave her and shut the power off, leaving her alone.

    Then, at some point, the creature took over her friggin' body and used it to speak its mind and she had tendrils and tentacles growing out of her body and covering it (at least her face).

    Yet she's all smiles and jokes at the end. Hmmmm...

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    Default Re: How did...? (spoilers for The Seed, regarding Keller)

    why didnt they cut her out and say "she is recovering". much better. ronon is speechless. shep is hurt. and jennifer"i am a babyhive" keller walks around smiling. please, get her out of that scene, and add two lines.

    "how is keller"

    "shes recovering."

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    Default Re: How did they get an intact Keller out of the corpse?

    Quote Originally Posted by the signal View Post
    a wizard did it?
    lol
    Meh.

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