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    Default Torchwood to be Doctor Who replacement?

    Anybody else heard that Torchwood may be dumbed down and cleaned up so it can function as a Saturday night, prime time, family friendly replacement for when any given series of Who finishes its run?

    If yes (or no, for that matter)...what's your reaction to the idea?

    Personally, whether it's just the internet doing its usual or it is actually planned, I'd say it's a very bad idea. Torchwood thrives because it can do things Who can't.
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    Default Re: Torchwood to be Doctor Who replacement?

    Where on Earth do you get these rumours from?

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    Default Re: Torchwood to be Doctor Who replacement?

    Can't remember where I heard it, and trust me, I'm still looking, and really, really hoping I imagined it! But series 3 is apparently going to be a 5 episode arc shown on BBC1, which doesn't bode well.
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    It's apparently going to be toned down in order to fit a BBC1 audience. It's still going to be past-watershed and I don't think it's gonna be family friendly, but I suppose we'll all find out next spring...
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    Default Re: Torchwood to be Doctor Who replacement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pitry View Post
    It's apparently going to be toned down in order to fit a BBC1 audience. It's still going to be past-watershed and I don't think it's gonna be family friendly, but I suppose we'll all find out next spring...
    I may have heard an exaggerated version of the rumour then. That won't be too bad then, if that is the case. Of course, I'd still prefer more than five episodes, but at least it's Torchwood. And thanks for confirming I hadn't entirely imagined it!
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    Default Re: Torchwood to be Doctor Who replacement?

    I suspect it's going to be 5 episodes because now:

    Spoiler:
    They've replaced Tosh and Owen with Mickey and Martha...


    So my guess is the BBC is a tad concerned that such a big change will bring their ratings down. Having only 5 episodes allows them to see how well the changes will do.
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    Default Re: Torchwood to be Doctor Who replacement?

    I've got to admit, I'm still not sure about Mickey being in Torchwood (if indeed he definitely is going to be in it...but I can't see many other options given the end of Journey's End), but then, I also wasn't keen on Donna Noble becoming a full-time companion in Who - until the end of 'Partners in Crime'. Could Mickey be in line for a serious character upgrade?

    Martha, however, has already been in Torchwood, and while I haven't looked, I haven't seen any huge adverse reaction to her presence (although at the time, she wasn't replacing another character), so essentially Mickey is the only unknown quantity - or it's because of that AND the potentially risky move to BBC1.

    Where series 1 was slightly over the top, I personally thought series 2 of TW hit the nail on the head, finding the perfect balance of adult themes and content and Who-ness. I'm still a little apprehensive about the idea of toning it down further.
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    Default Re: Torchwood to be Doctor Who replacement?

    Quote Originally Posted by P-90_177 View Post
    I suspect it's going to be 5 episodes because now:

    Spoiler:
    They've replaced Tosh and Owen with Mickey and Martha...


    So my guess is the BBC is a tad concerned that such a big change will bring their ratings down. Having only 5 episodes allows them to see how well the changes will do.
    has that bit in the spoilers been confirmed, as far as I know it's only a rumour

    The last series of Torchwood was edited for family viewing and shown a week later than the full fat version, like the BBC used to do with Buffy, if the BBC do this again it does not mean they are going to dumb down Torchwood for the kiddies

    Do us all a favour and wait until the BBC confirm or deny a rumour before going into major over-reation alert

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    Default Re: Torchwood to be Doctor Who replacement?

    I read the same version of the rumour and was quite disturbed. S2 Torchwood was what it should have been since the beginning: no excessive sex or language, but sci-fi themes handled in an adult way.

    I'm not a huge Martha fan, but the Mickey from the Who finale has definite potential.

    The edited versions of TW are distasteful to say the least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pitry View Post
    It's apparently going to be toned down in order to fit a BBC1 audience.
    Toned down in order to fit a BBC1 audience???? Have you seen some of the stuff they show on BBC1 after the watershed? Compare, for example, the gay material in Torchwood and the way Jonathan Ross introduces his house band, some of his stronger introductions put an image in your head that they could never use in Torchwood!

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    LoL! I admit I'm using wording I saw elsewhere. And we don't get BBC1, only BBCPrime... and besides, that's in my parents' house, I don't even have a television. So, erm... no
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pitry View Post
    we don't get BBC1, only BBCPrime
    From that I assume you are not living in Britain. In which case you may end up with a sanitised version anyway, because a lot of British TV shows often have to be edited to conform with local decency laws (especially in USA but in most non European countries to a certain extent).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecchi View Post
    From that I assume you are not living in Britain. In which case you may end up with a sanitised version anyway, because a lot of British TV shows often have to be edited to conform with local decency laws (especially in USA but in most non European countries to a certain extent).
    You assume correctly
    Well, the several Torchwood episodes I caught when they were transmitted here on the local channels were not cut at all (not even for time even though they're longer than the regular slot) - but then again that was a local chanel, BBCPrime broadcast through all of Europe and the Middle East (where I am) and I'm pretty sure it's the same broadcast throughout... The mysteries of television!
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    Default Re: Torchwood to be Doctor Who replacement?

    This is pure speculation, but is it likely that the BBC is trying to prep Torchwood for bigger international sales / exposure, i.e. as a package with Doctor Who, and they're worried it might be a little too adult to seal the deal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pitry View Post
    You assume correctly
    BBCPrime broadcast through all of Europe and the Middle East (where I am) and I'm pretty sure it's the same broadcast throughout... The mysteries of television!
    Much of Europe (with a few exceptions) is as liberal as British TV, or more liberal in some cases, so you should have no problem there. Middle East TV I know nothing about, but I thought in general the area was a little tight arsed about these things.

    But how can you tell if it is edited? For example in episode 2 of season 1 most of the world lost the scene of the security guard masturbating while watching the two people having sex in the toilet on his CCTV monitor. It did not detract from the plot, so you would not have realised there was something missing, and it was only about 15 seconds long, so the running time would have been the same since they round it to the nearest minute. And there are no doubt plenty of other scenes like that, that have gone but are unnoticeable by their absence!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sealurk View Post
    This is pure speculation, but is it likely that the BBC is trying to prep Torchwood for bigger international sales / exposure, i.e. as a package with Doctor Who, and they're worried it might be a little too adult to seal the deal?
    They could easily A/B/C it (shoot questionable scenes three times, one version "full on" one suitable for more restrictive areas, and one for very restrictive areas). That used to be very popular in the 1970's in the British film industry. Although back then Britain got the B reel (slightly censored, but not extremely censored). As a collector of old Z grade British movies you have no idea what a struggle it is to track down a video or DVD of the A reel (full version).

    It is a bit more expensive to do things this way, but there are only a few scenes in Torchwood where they would have to do it, so it should not be too much of a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecchi View Post
    Much of Europe (with a few exceptions) is as liberal as British TV, or more liberal in some cases, so you should have no problem there. Middle East TV I know nothing about, but I thought in general the area was a little tight arsed about these things.

    But how can you tell if it is edited? For example in episode 2 of season 1 most of the world lost the scene of the security guard masturbating while watching the two people having sex in the toilet on his CCTV monitor. It did not detract from the plot, so you would not have realised there was something missing, and it was only about 15 seconds long, so the running time would have been the same since they round it to the nearest minute. And there are no doubt plenty of other scenes like that, that have gone but are unnoticeable by their absence!
    Well, peopleare tight arsed here, btu the television doesn't seem to have noticed.
    As for knowing they didn't cut anything... erm... I'm a very impatient girl. Very.
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    The only editing that is done to make Torchwood family friendly is to tone down the violence, I'm assuming here I've never seen an edited version but it's not like Jack and Ianto are at 'it' every episode so I doubt they're editing it for gay sex either, most kids don't turn a hair over a gay kiss, I know my daughter doesn't freak over it, neither do I or my mum. On average I'm guessing that the Family Friendly version is only a couple of minutes shorter than the Full Fat version. IMO all this about Torchwood being 'dumbed down for the kiddies' is a complete waste of energy as I've said before, wait until the BBC confirm or deny a rumour before you start panicking. Again As far as I know the BBC send out the Full Fat version of Dr Who and Torchwood and let the individual countries do the editing, one country may be ok with Gay kissing and another may be a bit funny about it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reefgirl View Post
    The only editing that is done to make Torchwood family friendly is to tone down the violence, I'm assuming here I've never seen an edited version but it's not like Jack and Ianto are at 'it' every episode so I doubt they're editing it for gay sex either, most kids don't turn a hair over a gay kiss, I know my daughter doesn't freak over it, neither do I or my mum. On average I'm guessing that the Family Friendly version is only a couple of minutes shorter than the Full Fat version. IMO all this about Torchwood being 'dumbed down for the kiddies' is a complete waste of energy as I've said before, wait until the BBC confirm or deny a rumour before you start panicking. Again As far as I know the BBC send out the Full Fat version of Dr Who and Torchwood and let the individual countries do the editing, one country may be ok with Gay kissing and another may be a bit funny about it
    Actually there is little editing for violence, mostly it is sex and gay content. The sex I can survive without, but to satisfy some markets they would have to have no overt mention of homosexuality, even the scene in Dr Who where Jack kisses Gwen and Ianto would have to go (he could kiss Gwen, but not another man), and that would basically change the background story of the plot.

    Also if you edit out gay kisses but leave in the hetero ones, you are pandering to homophobia.

    As to your comment "most kids don't turn a hair over a gay kiss" I'm afraid you need to talk to more kids. You have been lucky with your daughter. A large percentage of kids think homosexuality is wrong, and a good few of those consider it evil. However it is not the kids that matter, it is the parents. And to give you an example of how parents think, I was caught in the middle of an argument about allowing gay men into the Army, and I thought I had the perfect answer with a point (which I won't bore you with now) that finished by showing that we would be easy to invade if we stopped all gay men from signing up. Every single person in the room agreed with the person I was talking to when he said "They would rather Britain be ruled by Hitler than have gays in the army." That is the sort of arsehole thinking that will get Torchwood edited.

    Remember, when it was first announced that RTD was bringing back Dr Who, a lot of papers said "Great that Dr Who is back, but don't let a gay man run it".

    And Don't forget that when Queer As Folk was first broadcast, most newspapers called for the disenfranchisement of Channel 4, and the Sun (Britain's most read paper, which gets it's readers by printing what they wanted to hear) called for RTD to be executed !!!!!

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    I don't think it's panicking, exactly, just speculation. I started the thread because I'd heard the rumour, and wondered if others had...and they have, and now we're discussing the potential implications and reasons - IF it's true. Nobody here has actually done any OMG OMG OMG OMG!!!! The Beeb are neutering Torchwood!! How can they do this? I love Gwen!! We need to start a petition!!!

    Ahem. Sorry, got a bit carried away - no offence intended to anybody. Besides, I'm English and proud of it - stiff upper lip and all that, what?
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