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    Default Re: If you immediatley know the candle light is fire....

    so my opinion on what it means is that once you think you know everything, you realize it was better to not know anything. it means, once you notice the candle is lit.... you will see the end is just the begging.

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    Default Re: If you immediatley know the candle light is fire....

    Quote Originally Posted by logicbylinda View Post
    so my opinion on what it means is that once you think you know everything, you realize it was better to not know anything. it means, once you notice the candle is lit.... you will see the end is just the begging.
    No it's already been said :

    It means that to be enlightened, you need to go through a process. you can't just "skip" that and enlighten yourself.

    If you immediately know the candlelight is fire, then that means you know fire and have used it before (to cook a meal).

    It is especially obvious when you consider the context of the episode it appeared in in which Daniel tries to learn from Oma and become like her. And Oma's reply is thus "i can't teach you how to ascend, it's a process you need to go through".

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    Default Re: If you immediatley know the candle light is fire....

    Geezzzzz just turn it around guys

    If the meal was cooked a long time ago, then you immediatley know the candle light is fire

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    Quote Originally Posted by thekillman View Post
    No it's already been said :

    It means that to be enlightened, you need to go through a process. you can't just "skip" that and enlighten yourself.

    If you immediately know the candlelight is fire, then that means you know fire and have used it before (to cook a meal).

    It is especially obvious when you consider the context of the episode it appeared in in which Daniel tries to learn from Oma and become like her. And Oma's reply is thus "i can't teach you how to ascend, it's a process you need to go through".
    This statement is very simple and it is not necessarily about going through a process but about judging your current state of enlightenment(but in the context of the episode it is of course oma telling daniel that he is a big noob so he should gtfo). But what this statement really implies, in the very depth of it?

    If you are into philosophy and like to ponder over life and its meaning and what not then this statement is very easy to understand. My own quotation is "Look inside yourself and understand the world"(or universe or whatever you want to put over here). Which is basically a long long long book simply put into one sentence. Tao te ching explain it better "Knowing other people is intelligence, knowing yourself is wisdom. Overcoming others takes strength, overcoming yourself takes greatness. If you know you have enough then you are truly rich." yadda yadda... if you think along those line then the statement is actually a testament to itself.
    "if you immediately know that candle light is fire then the meal was cooked a long time ago"
    This means exactly what i am have put into words a different way before. Basically it is about "common sense" and the lack there of. The statement explains that people are normally blind to what is directly in front of them, deceptively simple and that is why common sense is the least common of senses. Basically if you do not understand the statement then you are actually proven the statement right. A person cannot see candle light as fire,while he is hungry and trying to make a meal and cannot find fire to make it. It is a very good social commentary explaining what the hell is going on this mad and violent world while all the solutions are so damn simple that it is mind boggling that no one sees them. e.g my personal favorites are the western "Free" society's illusion of freedom, they are so badly enslaved that they don't even know it or the naked women on posters to sell stuff and the "free" society thinks that they are "empowering" women by letting them be naked etc etc. These are topics that this line of thinking implies upon. Daniel calls them as zen koans. It is all about going into the absolute "Depth" of these statements to achieve enlightenment and lift that veil. Other quotes from the series

    "here is everywhere you are"
    "put no barriers between you and where you are"
    "lightning flashes, sparks shower, in one blink of your eyes you have missed seeing"(all of these point to raising the veil over your eye and see the truth)
    "The river tells no lies though standing on the shore, the dishonest man still hears them"
    omma expands on the statement
    "because it is so clear that it takes a long time to realize it if you immediately know that the candlelight is fire, the meal was cooked a long time ago"(disappointed though that someone like Daniel could not understand it)

    Just wanted to expand on the statement a bit, but the stuff in these simple statements can fill books. It is like capturing a river in a small box.

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    Default Re: If you immediatley know the candle light is fire....

    It's about keeping your mind open to infinite possibilities. And discovering things on your own not by what one tells you. Just like the quote there is many different answers that will eventually lead you to the great path. LOL

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    Default Re: If you immediatley know the candle light is fire....

    Quote Originally Posted by Boondock28 View Post
    It's about keeping your mind open to infinite possibilities. And discovering things on your own not by what one tells you. Just like the quote there is many different answers that will eventually lead you to the great path. LOL
    one post, and nails it
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    Look at the context. This phrase was used to answer Daniel's statement.
    Monk: "You think the child is safe with you?"
    Daniel: "Yes, absolutely."

    Look at the 'If'. If you immediately know the candlelight is fire, then the meal was cooked a long time ago.
    The first part refers to belief. It's common sense that light from a candle is because of a flame. It refers to something you believe so strongly you take as fact.
    Then the meal was cooked a long time ago. If the meal has already been cooked, what can you do? Nothing. It's in the past; you can't change it. The reference to cooking is about setting something in stone, or making it very hard to change.

    If you immediately know the candlelight is fire, then the meal was cooked a long time ago.
    If you're so sure about what you believe, then there is little that can be done to change your mind.

    Besides, thought a candle burns in my house, there's nobody home.


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    when it was originally said the previous statement was something along saying that Jackson was missing something because it was obvious to me it seemed to mean "if you look for something specific you'll miss what you don't expect" thats why jackson doesn't realize oma didn't want him to take the boy

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    Default Re: If you immediatley know the candle light is fire....

    To be perfectly honest...Out of universe...I think it's just none sense. Has it ever been confirmed to mean anything?

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    Default Re: If you immediatley know the candle light is fire....

    Wasn't it just a rip off an old Chinese proverb? Something about a fool that went looking for fire by candlelight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KEK View Post
    Wasn't it just a rip off an old Chinese proverb? Something about a fool that went looking for fire by candlelight.
    considering this thread, i wonder how much thought the writers even put into this. They must've laughed their asses off

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    Quote Originally Posted by thekillman View Post
    considering this thread, i wonder how much thought the writers even put into this. They must've laughed their asses off
    The problem is the whole meal thing. Has nothing to do with candle fire, the imagery doesn't match. So, yeah....they probably had a good laugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aretood2 View Post
    The problem is the whole meal thing. Has nothing to do with candle fire, the imagery doesn't match. So, yeah....they probably had a good laugh.
    Maybe that's the point. If you understand the concept of fire outside of the realms of its practical use for you, then you are already enlightened to a degree.
    If you recognize and understand a concept (i.e. fire) outside of the context from which you originally learned it, you've taken an important step in enlightenment, and the process of understanding had to have started a long time ago.

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    I always thought it meant the fire had burned out so much it was as dim as a candle's light they used fire to cook with and for heat, so if the fire is dying down it must have served it's purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raddo View Post
    "If you immediatley know the candle light is fire then the meal was cooked along time ago"

    Okkkkkkkkkkkk

    I have thought about this over and over and although I do have a few theories about what Oma Desala meant by this i'm not totally convincing myself.

    Does anyone else have any thoughts on what Oma meant by this or what she was trying to get Daniel to think about when she said this?

    i thought it ment that if it was so simple (easy) it would already be done

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    Default Re: If you immediatley know the candle light is fire....

    i've always taken the meaning to be: Once you come to a realization about about something, it's been that way the whole time.

    example: at some point some one realized that the Earth was round not flat, then realized, it's always been that way.
    if you see a light at the end of the tunnel, it's just a photon torpedo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raddo View Post
    "If you immediatley know the candle light is fire then the meal was cooked along time ago"

    Okkkkkkkkkkkk

    I have thought about this over and over and although I do have a few theories about what Oma Desala meant by this i'm not totally convincing myself.

    Does anyone else have any thoughts on what Oma meant by this or what she was trying to get Daniel to think about when she said this?

    It means, you already have it but not yet fully realize it.

    It also means, if you know your feet are wet, then there is water in your glass.

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    Default Re: If you immediatley know the candle light is fire....

    Or it means that for someone to identify what candles are, then you were capable of having cooked the meal a long time ago....but I like my "It's gibberish" asnwer from a long time ago better.

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    Default Re: If you immediatley know the candle light is fire....

    Quote Originally Posted by Kebab Gud View Post
    to clarefy

    "If you immediatley know one statement to be true.. then nothing can change your mind"

    get it better now?
    I like this one.

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    Default Re: If you immediatley know the candle light is fire....

    if you jump to a conclusion, and you are unwilling to open your mind to other possibilities then you will never be able to learn the true nature of things or new things in general.

    basically.. since you have already made up your mind, you are done learning.

    or,

    you can't teach an old dog new tricks.

    if that is not simple enough then lest put it another way...

    it went over your head.

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